FP + What we know and what we want to know

[bjakmom]

Nobody can pass judgement on this new system until we see how this piece of it works in reality.

There definitely is an inverse relationship between the effort required to do something and the number of people who will actually do it.

Everyone talks about how hard it is to get an ADR at CRT. It really isn't. If you call at 180 days out, you'll get the time you want. Heck, you'll probably get in at 160 days out. Maybe even 100 days out.

If you really want to make a realistic comparison, try trying to get CRT back when the only character meal was breakfast. Back when they suggested synchronizing your clock with the one at the naval observatory. Seriously, even at low crowd times, it was like a lottery. EVERYTHING was gone in about 3 minutes. MAJOR feeding frenzy.

THAT is how I envision TSMM when the FP+ slots open.

Yes, that's what I was referring to - years ago when CRT was the only princess game in town - it was crazy - and stressful - but when I think of facing a 'start' time for every major ride FP+ months in advance of my trip, I can't imagine. Oh well, we'll see.

 

[UNCFanatik]

But they could have done that by reprogramming reglar FP to allow only one FP per ride per day.

Maybe that would be a tougher sale if it wasn't coupled with fancy technology and a pretty pink wristband.

It does seem to be a trend these days to want to assure equality of outcome over equality of opportunity.

When you were in the "know" about non-FP enforcement, there was not true equality of opportunity because everyone did not have the same level of information. If there was TRUE equality of opportunity, the experience of your using FPs past their return window would have been diminished. You were rewarded because you had acquired knowledge that Disney did not publicize through their FPs, signage, or promo materials be it through a CM telling you or reading about it on DIS or a guidebook.

 

[estherhead]

If you really want to make a realistic comparison, try trying to get CRT back when the only character meal was breakfast. Back when they suggested synchronizing your clock with the one at the naval observatory. Seriously, even at low crowd times, it was like a lottery. EVERYTHING was gone in about 3 minutes. MAJOR feeding frenzy.

I did this. It was exactly like that. Had to get up at 5 or 6 am 3 mornings in a row. But I was prepared to get up all 7 days in a row. You speed dialed in and started hitting it before the official time and did it over and over until it picked up. Totally worth it. The four of us, two girls dressed as princesses, were the only ones on Main St at 7 am....

I am willing to work any system Disney can come up with.

 

[SaraJayne]

Nobody can pass judgement on this new system until we see how this piece of it works in reality.

There definitely is an inverse relationship between the effort required to do something and the number of people who will actually do it.

Everyone talks about how hard it is to get an ADR at CRT. It really isn't. If you call at 180 days out, you'll get the time you want. Heck, you'll probably get in at 160 days out. Maybe even 100 days out.

If you really want to make a realistic comparison, try trying to get CRT back when the only character meal was breakfast. Back when they suggested synchronizing your clock with the one at the naval observatory. Seriously, even at low crowd times, it was like a lottery. EVERYTHING was gone in about 3 minutes. MAJOR feeding frenzy.

THAT is how I envision TSMM when the FP+ slots open.

We called the end of December for a CRT reservation the first week of April and had lots of different time options to choose from.

 

[mom2rtk]

When you were in the "know" about non-FP enforcement, there was not true equality of opportunity because everyone did not have the same level of information. If there was TRUE equality of opportunity, the experience of your using FPs past their return window would have been diminished. You were rewarded because you had acquired knowledge that Disney did not publicize through their FPs, signage, or promo materials be it through a CM telling you or reading about it on DIS or a guidebook.

Really. Let it go.

 

[jkjs]

And to stop uberusers from riding the same ride multiple times while other guests are waiting 2 hours in a standaby line for that ride.

OT - I really do not understand this thought process. Everyone has equal access (and an equal number of) to fastpasses.

I may choose to use all my fast passes for one ride at the sacrifice of other rides. So while you may be waiting in line for 2 hours on Ride A because I used a second fastpass for that ride. I will be waiting for 2 hours on Ride B because you decided to use your fastpass on that ride.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Nobody can pass judgement on this new system until we see how this piece of it works in reality.

There definitely is an inverse relationship between the effort required to do something and the number of people who will actually do it.

Everyone talks about how hard it is to get an ADR at CRT. It really isn't. If you call at 180 days out, you'll get the time you want. Heck, you'll probably get in at 160 days out. Maybe even 100 days out.

If you really want to make a realistic comparison, try trying to get CRT back when the only character meal was breakfast. Back when they suggested synchronizing your clock with the one at the naval observatory. Seriously, even at low crowd times, it was like a lottery. EVERYTHING was gone in about 3 minutes. MAJOR feeding frenzy.

THAT is how I envision TSMM when the FP+ slots open.

You fail to mention one of the major factors in the difficulty of getting an CRT ressie. The breakfast "angels" who took it upon their selves to act as a secondary distributor of a Disney product. These "angels" would be the ones clogging up the phone lines every morning and then deciding who gets a CRT. Disney made changes in CRT reservation process to try and stop the "angels" from doing this.

And people in the pre-FP enforcement days also acted as an unneeded secondary distributor of FPs. Often pulling more FPs than their family intended to use just to spread some "magic" and "pixie dust" to others by giving their FPs, which clearly said non transferable on them, to random people.

I am hoping with the advances in technology that Disney will make it harder and harder for people to game the system and prevent practices that make it harder on other guests.

 

[Missyrose]

When you were in the "know" about non-FP enforcement, there was not true equality of opportunity because everyone did not have the same level of information. If there was TRUE equality of opportunity, the experience of your using FPs past their return window would have been diminished. You were rewarded because you had acquired knowledge that Disney did not publicize through their FPs, signage, or promo materials be it through a CM telling you or reading about it on DIS or a guidebook.

So are you against shopping in the park stores after closing time too? That's another Disney policy that isn't publicized. The stores stay open until the park is cleared of guests, so should we all apologize for spending money after the park closure?

Why do you keep hammering people for acquiring knowledge? Maybe if we all stopped reading and learning, you'd be happier with the world.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Really. Let it go.

Ironic from a person that ALWAYS comments on FP threads. I will let it go when you do so I guess I dont have anything to worry about.

You want to mention about equality of opportunity and yet fail to acknowledge that wasnt the case.

 

[bjakmom]

And as much as I LOVE WDW, I have a real love/hate relationship with their web sites and technology. I spent 20 minutes on line the other night trying to cancel an ADR for tomorrow night. After many tries of getting my ADR to even come up in the system, it would not let me cancel - kept taking me to a Donald screen that said "sorry. . . blah blah blah" LOL I felt like stomping my feet like Donald. Then I spent another 15 minutes calling and having CM bring up and cancel my ADR so I would not be charged the ADR fee (airline changed our flight times, which changed our park choice). So I don't feel real confident about how quickly and easily their web system will work for all of this planning for everyone all at once on the fly.
Guess it makes sense that they are adding charging stations in the parks so we can all keep our phones going so we can access our connection to them!

Disney never (IMHO) intends to make guests unhappy, stressed, or irritated - so I hold great hope that they will make this work- and what doesn't work, they will alter/fine tune. They listen, so we must be sure and give them our feedback and express our concerns so they can be taken into account as they tweak this.

Off to finish packing!

 

[mom2rtk]

You fail to mention one of the major factors in the difficulty of getting an CRT ressie. The breakfast "angels" who took it upon their selves to act as a secondary distributor of a Disney product. These "angels" would be the ones clogging up the phone lines every morning and then deciding who gets a CRT. Disney made changes in CRT reservation process to try and stop the "angels" from doing this.

And people in the pre-FP enforcement days also acted as an unneeded secondary distributor of FPs. Often pulling more FPs than their family intended to use just to spread some "magic" and "pixie dust" to others by giving their FPs, which clearly said non transferable on them, to random people.

I am hoping with the advances in technology that Disney will make it harder and harder for people to game the system and prevent practices that make it harder on other guests.

I'm aware of that issue. I wasn't at the time, or I would have likely been even more frustrated with that entire process. But the truth is that the limited number of ADR slots because it was only breakfast instead of breakfast, lunch and dinner made a huge difference as well. And really, it was just a general comparison. I didn't suggest it was completely a carbon copy.


As for the late FPs............

Seriously, let it go. It's over.

 

[UNCFanatik]

So are you against shopping in the park stores after closing time too? That's another Disney policy that isn't publicized. The stores stay open until the park is cleared of guests, so should we all apologize for spending money after the park closure?

Why do you keep hammering people for acquiring knowledge? Maybe if we all stopped reading and learning, you'd be happier with the world.

You missed my wider point. mom2rtk talked about equality of opportunity. That is what I was addressing.

I wasnt "hammering" anyone. More power to them. They took an advantage that Disney allowed them.

No hyperbole needed from you though. It is certainly not an example of a "high level" debate.

 

[mom2rtk]

Ironic from a person that ALWAYS comments on FP threads. I will let it go when you do so I guess I dont have anything to worry about.

You want to mention about equality of opportunity and yet fail to acknowledge that wasnt the case.

I don't mean let the discussion about FP go. I will continue to post when I have a point to make.

I think you know I meant let the discussion about late FPs go. It's over.

 

[UNCFanatik]

I'm aware of that issue. I wasn't at the time, or I would have likely been even more frustrated with that entire process. But the truth is that the limited number of ADR slots because it was only breakfast instead of breakfast, lunch and dinner made a huge difference as well. And really, it was just a general comparison. I didn't suggest it was completely a carbon copy.


As for the late FPs............

Seriously, let it go. It's over.

I will make a deal with you. If people, you included, stop bringing up late FPs, and "let it go", so will I.

And its funny, I dont see you telling people who agreed with your stance on late FPs to "let it go"

Guess the irony is lost on you...

 

[mom2rtk]

I will make a deal with you. If people, you included, stop bringing up late FPs, and "let it go", so will I.

And its funny, I dont see you telling people who agreed with your stance on late FPs to "let it go"

Guess the irony is lost on you...

Just curious...... do you have any idea what percentage of your posts is about late FPs?

I guarantee it's an exponentially higher percentage than mine.

 

[Wadecool]

You fail to mention one of the major factors in the difficulty of getting an CRT ressie. The breakfast "angels" who took it upon their selves to act as a secondary distributor of a Disney product. These "angels" would be the ones clogging up the phone lines every morning and then deciding who gets a CRT. Disney made changes in CRT reservation process to try and stop the "angels" from doing this.

And people in the pre-FP enforcement days also acted as an unneeded secondary distributor of FPs. Often pulling more FPs than their family intended to use just to spread some "magic" and "pixie dust" to others by giving their FPs, which clearly said non transferable on them, to random people.

I am hoping with the advances in technology that Disney will make it harder and harder for people to game the system and prevent practices that make it harder on other guests.

Signed,
Archie Bunker

 

[UNCFanatik]

Signed,
Archie Bunker

Thank you. I would much rather be called that than be a naysaying, Chicken Little who bemoans and rails at ANY and ALL changes at Disney.

 

[Wadecool]

Thank you. I would much rather be called that than be a naysaying, Chicken Little who bemoans and rails at ANY and ALL changes at Disney.

Including the changes to FP enforcement? I'm starting to smell irony...

 

[UNCFanatik]

Including the changes to FP enforcement? I'm starting to smell irony...

I think your sniffer is a little off. I thought the changes to FP enforcement were a good thing. I didn't bemoan the change or think the world would end because of it and had a great experience at Disney in June using FPs

 

[Wadecool]

I think your sniffer is a little off. I thought the changes to FP enforcement were a good thing. I didn't bemoan the change or think the world would end because of it and had a great experience at Disney in June using FPs

You just bemoaned the time before the changes in enforcement. Thanks for clarifying.