Fort Worth woman shot in her own home by police

[Sandeep1]

Why the quotes? Do you think he set out to kill someone? If not a series of mistakes that led to the conclusion what was it?

As I said, it was so reckless that I'm having difficulty calling it a mistake. A mistake is accidentally knocking over a cookie jar. Not blowing someone's brains out.

 

[pahoben]

If she was white this never would have happened.

If she were Caucasian it wouldn't have made national news-thats what never would have happened. The link is for police opening fire on a truck with no firearm, a six year old son in the back seat, the father stops the truck and puts both hands out the window, the police open fire and kill his son and critically wound him. Never a peep on national news. If you want to look there are many more similar events that didnt appear on CNN.

These are all tragedies for all involved including the police and sickening to me that some use them selectively for political ends.

Sorry-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUnNTWctIvA

 

[wgeo]

Makes a huge difference with media sensationalizing and keeping up the division of the country.

It's not the media that is trying hard to keep up the divisions in this country. Reporting the facts so that people can make their own decisions is a good thing. As it turns out there is a lot of crap going on in the country right now - instead of "shooting the messenger" how about we focus on fixing the underlying problems instead of blaming the media?

 

[kimblebee]

I can’t find it again, but I read an article that the nephew is saying she did have her gun in her hand because she was investigating a strange noise (the cop). I can’t remember if he said it was pointed at the window or not. Who knows though if the cop even registered if she had it or not.

 

[wgeo]

If she were Caucasian it wouldn't have made national news-thats what never would have happened. The link is for police opening fire on a truck with no firearm, a six year old son in the back seat, the father stops the truck and puts both hands out the window, the police open fire and kill his son and critically wound him. Never a peep on national news. If you want to look there are many more similar events that didnt appear on CNN.

These are all tragedies for all involved including the police and sickening to me that some use them selectively for political ends.

Sorry-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUnNTWctIvA

Your link isn't working. I googled your second sentence and the first thing that showed up was a shooting in 2015 and the link was for the New York Times - which is certainly national news. Unless my search was bad and you are discussing a different shooting.

 

[nkereina]

Aren't wellness checks usually done with the officers knocking on the door and actually CHECKING on the homeowner? I cannot understand how on earth it went from a wellness check to guns drawn.

Since she didn't have the gun in her hand in the video from the cop, I don't see how there being a gun in the house would have any bearing on it. She didn't have time to even react to him yelling "let me see your hands" before he shot her.

The neighbor called a NON EMERGENCY number for a WELFARE CHECK. Period. There was no need for such excessive response.

I mentioned up-thread exactly this below that Mackenzie mentions:

The article I read also said they were called out there for an Open Structure call rather than a welfare check. Should that be the case I'd like to know where the breakdown in communication came from if the neighbor intended for a welfare check. From what I read they don't know (or at least aren't saying right now) who relayed this information to the officers.

The news mentioned that an open structure call is a vague term that often implies danger and could mean the home was broken into. A different approach for police than a standard welfare check would have. So this would explain why the cop walked the perimeter first and was proceeding with caution, possibly with his gun drawn. But it does not explain his quick trigger finger. He couldn't have possibly perceived the woman as a threat in the .5 seconds it took to shoot her.

 

[Snowflakey]

I don't blame the media but I'm sick and tired of only hearing about the bad things law enforcement does. Don't get me wrong, this story here absolutely breaks my heart. However, for every story like this one that happened that one evening there are THOUSANDS that also happened that same evening where law enforcement help/saved/protected someone.

My daughter, my youngest, my baby is in law enforcement and is only 23 years old. She chose this profession. Why? It was simple to her - she wants to help people, protect people, run towards bad situations when everyone else is running away. In her short time so far on the force I can't tell you how many times people have said to her something like "it is so nice to see an officer who is nice and respectful, unlike what we hear on the news". This very thing is what scares me the most. Citizens having this "opinion" of what my daughter is when they have no idea......

Thousands and thousands of law enforcement officers are wonderful. They are husbands, wives, fathers and mothers, sons and daughters.

I ask all of you to please remember this when you do hear news of a potential officer wrong doing. It's right to be upset, mad, angry but please don't carry those emotions over to other law enforcement members.

From the proud mother of a female law enforcement officer I thank you!

 

[nkereina]

I can’t find it again, but I read an article that the nephew is saying she did have her gun in her hand because she was investigating a strange noise (the cop). I can’t remember if he said it was pointed at the window or not. Who knows though if the cop even registered if she had it or not.

They are talking about this on the Today show now. The 8 year old nephew who witnessed it told investigators she pointed her gun at the cop first. But people are saying this is irrelevant because the cop did not identify himself and she had a right to defend her home. So while I agree with that, I can also start seeing the cop's perspective (assuming this is all true), since he was believing that he was on an open structure call that had the potential to be a burglary, and now there was a person pointing a gun at him. I don't know anything about police protocol, but it still seems like the shot came way too quickly. Tragic all around.

 

[luvsJack]

I don't blame the media but I'm sick and tired of only hearing about the bad things law enforcement does. Don't get me wrong, this story here absolutely breaks my heart. However, for every story like this one that happened that one evening there are THOUSANDS that also happened that same evening where law enforcement help/saved/protected someone.

My daughter, my youngest, my baby is in law enforcement and is only 23 years old. She chose this profession. Why? It was simple to her - she wants to help people, protect people, run towards bad situations when everyone else is running away. In her short time so far on the force I can't tell you how many times people have said to her something like "it is so nice to see an officer who is nice and respectful, unlike what we hear on the news". This very thing is what scares me the most. Citizens having this "opinion" of what my daughter is when they have no idea......

Thousands and thousands of law enforcement officers are wonderful. They are husbands, wives, fathers and mothers, sons and daughters.

I ask all of you to please remember this when you do hear news of a potential officer wrong doing. It's right to be upset, mad, angry but please don't carry those emotions over to other law enforcement members.

From the proud mother of a female law enforcement officer I thank you!

Please tell your daughter thank you for what she does and thank you to you too. I am sure you go through many sleepless nights worried for her.

My sil was a sheriff’s deputy before he and Dd married and for several months after. He quit and went into another line of work. He just couldn’t do it anymore. They get paid peanuts and risk their lives every time they put on that uniform.

 

[luvsJack]

I mentioned up-thread exactly this below that Mackenzie mentions:



The news mentioned that an open structure call is a vague term that often implies danger and could mean the home was broken into. A different approach for police than a standard welfare check would have. So this would explain why the cop walked the perimeter first and was proceeding with caution, possibly with his gun drawn. But it does not explain his quick trigger finger. He couldn't have possibly perceived the woman as a threat in the .5 seconds it took to shoot her.

That makes much more sense on why he was where he was and why he had his gun.

 

[luvsJack]

Your link isn't working. I googled your second sentence and the first thing that showed up was a shooting in 2015 and the link was for the New York Times - which is certainly national news. Unless my search was bad and you are discussing a different shooting.

I found the one in Louisiana. And it was on a national news site.

But the point is that, yes, you can find shootings like that but they aren’t discussed and reported in the same way. They do not have constant articles, constant interviews. It’s in the news but not as widely reported. There is a difference. Or can be.

 

[fly girl]

My heart aches for the nephew. I cannot imagine seeing that at 45 years old, let alone 8. Poor baby.
I also feel terrible for the neighbor who tried to do the right thing. I read he feels it is his fault. It isn't, but I get why he feels that way. So unfair.

I don't care if she had a gun in her hand or not, he DID NOT follow protocol. He NEVER identified himself. If he did that ONE THING, my guess is we would not be discussing this. She had every right to protect herself and her nephew in her own home. Senseless.

 

[pahoben]

It's not the media that is trying hard to keep up the divisions in this country. Reporting the facts so that people can make their own decisions is a good thing. As it turns out there is a lot of crap going on in the country right now - instead of "shooting the messenger" how about we focus on fixing the underlying problems instead of blaming the media?

Its not a matter of shooting the messenger but only recognizing that the media is a waist deep participant in the political process and actually intends to shape your views and opinions.

 

[mrodgers]

It's not the media that is trying hard to keep up the divisions in this country. Reporting the facts so that people can make their own decisions is a good thing. As it turns out there is a lot of crap going on in the country right now - instead of "shooting the messenger" how about we focus on fixing the underlying problems instead of blaming the media?

The media is majority of the problem with sensationalizing and not getting the facts correct, whether accidental or on purpose. Just the title of the article is race baiting which race has nothing to do with the incident.

 

[pahoben]

I found the one in Louisiana. And it was on a national news site.

But the point is that, yes, you can find shootings like that but they aren’t discussed and reported in the same way. They do not have constant articles, constant interviews. It’s in the news but not as widely reported. There is a difference. Or can be.

You are right that it was reported but not under the headline-innocent white boy shot and killed by policemen. It wasnt posted on Disboards with comments that it wouldnt have happened if he wasnt caucasian. Thanks for the correction.

 

[mrodgers]

Its not a matter of shooting the messenger but only recognizing that the media is a waist deep participant in the political process and actually intends to shape your views and opinions.

Hence why it is "cop killed black woman in her home" as opposed to "cop killed resident". Have to make sure they get that race narrative in there, and less so the gender, or actually whoever wrote the headline should be arrested for such oppressive text as to assume the resident's gender in this day and age.

 

[luvsJack]

My heart aches for the nephew. I cannot imagine seeing that at 45 years old, let alone 8. Poor baby.
I also feel terrible for the neighbor who tried to do the right thing. I read he feels it is his fault. It isn't, but I get why he feels that way. So unfair.

I don't care if she had a gun in her hand or not, he DID NOT follow protocol. He NEVER identified himself. If he did that ONE THING, my guess is we would not be discussing this. She had every right to protect herself and her nephew in her own home. Senseless.

And honestly that is the biggest part of this, he didn’t identify himself. He yelled to her but didn’t give her time to react before he shot her.

I do understand what @kdonnel is saying about the officer’s perception of danger but they still have a protocol and it doesn’t seem it was followed.

 

[Anchored]

You are right that it was reported but not under the headline-innocent white boy shot and killed by policemen. It wasnt posted on Disboards with comments that it wouldnt have happened if he wasnt caucasian. Thanks for the correction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/30/us/police-video-louisiana-shooting.html
The driver of the vehicle was eluding police, he had rammed the police officer's car with his child in the front seat. (This woman did nothing)
The officers were IMMEDIATELY arrested and charged (unlike this case where he had 48 hours to clean his social media and turn himself in)

Is it willful ignorance that makes people like this? It is about a lack of accountability to brown skin and bodies. Police can kill them with impunity. (Tamir Rice, Philando Castile, let's go on all day, cause we can)
They killed a white kid and were convicted and jailed. Can you not see the difference??

 

[kdonnel]

I do understand what @kdonnel is saying about the officer’s perception of danger but they still have a protocol and it doesn’t seem it was followed.

That is why the trial will be interesting.

The prosecution will focus on how not following protocol created the confrontation.

The defense will focus on how in that split second confrontation the officer was defending his life from someone with a gun.

This is ultimately a case of two people both acting in self-defense based on an incorrect perception of the situation.

A tragedy for sure and it will be up to the jury to decide. The jury will have MUCH more facts available to make their decision then we have had in this thread.

 

[skyblue17]

The main difference is that the policeman was the one putting a. himself and b. the woman in her own home, in danger. The danger was created by the policeman's presence. The occupational hazard of being in law enforcement is that you are often in danger. You can't just shoot people every time you're scared.