Fort Worth woman shot in her own home by police

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

No doubt IMO that the officer was in the wrong. I don't know what was going through his mind so he may have thought xyz but he still was in the wrong and with terrible consequences. I agree with others that I feel for that neighbor (and of course her family but the neighbor is the one who called in the first place) who never could have imagined that the call would end with their neighbor killed.

The news article I was reading said the interim police chief said "If Dean had not resigned Monday, he would have been fired for several policy violations, including the department’s use of force and de-escalation policies, and unprofessional conduct"

The article I read also said they were called out there for an Open Structure call rather than a welfare check. Should that be the case I'd like to know where the breakdown in communication came from if the neighbor intended for a welfare check. From what I read they don't know (or at least aren't saying right now) who relayed this information to the officers.

Having watched enough Live PD and Live Rescue (and yeah may be a poor example) there are enough times where they are dispatched to an area for X reason but it's actually Y. Sometimes it's witnesses/victims who relay incorrect information, sometimes it's incorrect information the dispatcher gave to the those responding either due to misunderstanding or something else, etc. Regardless something happened. BUT that being said the officer didn't follow procedure for an Open Structure call either soo...Even in the case of a gun being present the officer didn't announce themselves and certainly didn't leave any time for compliance for an order.

 

[Drasticq]

The taking of a life is never a nice thing

 

[okeydokey]

So many police officers are fearful. They react based on fear and not policing. And the US Police have become militarized. Retraining is needed at all levels.

 

[Sandeep1]

I think it would be very useful for the jury members when it comes to trial time to participate in threat / no threat training to see how often they make a mistake.

Not everyone is Will Smith in Men In Black, able to discern that the little girl with the physics book is the only threat In a split second.

No it wouldn't be useful at all.

 

[Sandeep1]

Never said there were not mistakes, deadly mistakes made.

But when presented with a few seconds to decide to kill, be killed, or wait it out, I have NO idea how I would react, and I would bet that the potential members of the jury also have NO idea how they would react.

The decision to kill should have never even entered their thoughts. The situation didn't warrant it.

 

[Skywalker]

In this instance, I doubt he even had time to process her race before he opened fire. It was literally a split second. Not everything is about race.

But if he were in a predominantly black community, he might have assumed it.

Oh geez. If he was in a predominantly black community he could have just killed any random person to get his racist agenda on. Give me a break. He failed as a police officer. There is no need to make this about race.

There was a case where I lived where a cop shot a kid to death on a streetcar...the kid was white. IF he had been black I am sure the cop would have been accused of racism. Since the kid was white, people had to accept that the cop was just incompetent at his job.

Stop trying to fan the fires of an agenda.

 

[LSUmiss]

In this instance, I doubt he even had time to process her race before he opened fire. It was literally a split second. Not everything is about race.

But if he were in a predominantly black community, he might have assumed it.

Oh geez. If he was in a predominantly black community he could have just killed any random person to get his racist agenda on. Give me a break. He failed as a police officer. There is no need to make this about race.

There was a case where I lived where a cop shot a kid to death on a streetcar...the kid was white. IF he had been black I am sure the cop would have been accused of racism. Since the kid was white, people had to accept that the cop was just incompetent at his job.

Stop trying to fan the fires of an agenda.

Nope race could have absolutely mattered. Implicit racism could have lead to him being jumpier depending on the neighborhood.

 

[Skywalker]

Nope race could have absolutely mattered. Implicit racism could have lead to him being jumpier depending on the neighborhood.

Okay you go ahead and assume that if it makes you happy. (I stopped assigning nefarious motives to other people long ago)

 

[LSUmiss]

Okay you go ahead and assume that if it makes you happy. (I stopped assigning nefarious motives to other people long ago)

I am not assuming it. I’m saying it’s possible based on the scenario I presented. To refuse to even consider it as a possibility is just ignorant.

 

[Sandeep1]

Quotes are all messed up

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

Just stepping in to remind people that we need to remember to be courteous to each other, especially when discussing such sensitive issues. Please do not insult each other in your discussions.

 

[kdonnel]

No it wouldn't be useful at all.

if I am ever a defendant I would hope the jury was truly a jury of my peers and had a basic understanding of the circumstances.

 

[Sandeep1]

if I am ever a defendant I would hope the jury was truly a jury of my peers and had a basic understanding of the circumstances.

I think they understand not to shoot first and ask questions later.

 

[kdonnel]

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article236232073.html

Patrol officers determined how to respond to the open door call they received from dispatch on Saturday, according to Kraus. If the officers perceived that the call was of a more criminal nature, such as a possible burglary, they would respond one way, Kraus said. However, if the officers approaching thought the open door at the home on Allen Avenue was simply an oversight, they would respond a different way.

I wonder when the transcript of the dispatch call will be released? What were the dispatched officers told? Had there been recent breakins in the area of the call?

 

[kdonnel]

I think they understand not to shoot first and ask questions later.

Just as she had a right to be armed in her house, the cop will claim he has the right to protect himself as well.

Now whether he acted appropriately up to that point is another issue.

 

[Sandeep1]

Just as she had a right to be armed in her house, the cop will claim he has the right to protect himself as well.

Now whether he acted appropriately up to that point is another issue.

The cop has a right to protect himself but he doesn't have a right to kill innocent people.

 

[a1tinkfans]

Eventually all the details of this tragedy will come to light. How this all unfolded.
Prayers for the loved ones of the deceased.
Prayers for the family of the Officer as well.

 

[kdonnel]

The cop has a right to protect himself but he doesn't have a right to kill innocent people.

Sadly I think in this case his right to protect himself resulted in him killing an innocent person.

It has happened before, it will happen again. Police Officers despite being held to a higher standard are just people that make mistakes that result in them being in a situation where they take the life of innocent people.

 

[Sandeep1]

Sadly I think in this case his right to protect himself resulted in him killing an innocent person.

It has happened before, it will happen again. Police Officers despite being held to a higher standard are just people that make mistakes that result in them being in a situation where they take the life of innocent people.

Unfortunately the "mistake" was so reckless that it will be considered 2nd degree murder.

 

[kdonnel]

Unfortunately the "mistake" was so reckless that it will be considered 2nd degree murder.

Why the quotes? Do you think he set out to kill someone? If not a series of mistakes that led to the conclusion what was it?