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LisaZoe
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This article is another good one. Yes, it's satire (from The Onion) but there is definitely a lot of truth behind the humor.
http://www.theonion.com/election2004/news_4039.php
This is a very different type of site... notice the number of "slaps" given each candidate. In this case, I don't have a problem seeing Bush in the lead.
http://www.slapthecandidate.com/
OK, one more that I had to throw in since it relates quite well to the previous poster's comments about Bush's ranch.
http://whitehousewest.com/
http://www.theonion.com/election2004/news_4039.php
This is a very different type of site... notice the number of "slaps" given each candidate. In this case, I don't have a problem seeing Bush in the lead.
http://www.slapthecandidate.com/
OK, one more that I had to throw in since it relates quite well to the previous poster's comments about Bush's ranch.
http://whitehousewest.com/
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Lisa Zoe, thanks for the links. I loved the slap the candidate site!
Glad to see everyone still having fun with this thread! Only a week and a half to go!
I sense the Republicans are starting to get real worried that "W" is on his way out. The aftermath of Nov.2 could be real ugly. What do you guys think?
I sense the Republicans are starting to get real worried that "W" is on his way out. The aftermath of Nov.2 could be real ugly. What do you guys think?
crazyforgoofy
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Oh this one is going to get a few people going . . .
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/#bush_reality
The blind leading the blind
Even if they don't like to say it out loud, lots of Democrats think that George Bush's supporters are a horde of ignoramuses. Now comes evidence that they're right! A remarkable new report, titled "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," from PIPA, the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, suggests that rank and file Republicans are more benighted than even the most supercilious coastal elitist would imagine.
Analyzing data from a series of nationwide polls, the report finds that a majority of Bush supporters believe things about the world that are objectively untrue, while the majority of Kerry supporters dwell in the reality-based community. For example, Bush backers largely think that the president and his policies are popular internationally. Seventy-five percent believe that Iraq was providing "substantial" aid to al-Qaida, and 63 percent say clear evidence of this has been found. That, of course, would be news even to Donald Rumsfeld, who earlier this month told the Council on Foreign Relations, "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two."
Though its language is dispassionate, the report lays responsibility for this epidemic of ignorance at the White House's door. "So why are Bush supporters clinging so tightly to these beliefs in the face of repeated disconfirmations?" it asks. "Apparently one key reason is that they continue to hear the Bush administration confirming these beliefs."
Indeed, it says, "an overwhelming 82% [of Bush supporters] perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or a major WMD program (19%). Only 16% of Bush supporters perceive the administration as saying that Iraq had some limited activities, but not an active program (15%) or had nothing (1%). The pattern on al Qaeda is similar. Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters think the Bush administration is currently saying Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda (56%) or even that it was directly involved in 9/11 (19%). Further, 55% of Bush supporters say it is their impression the Bush administration is currently saying the US has found clear evidence Saddam Hussein was working closely with al Qaeda (not saying clear evidence found: 37%)."
These people aren't going to be swayed by the argument that Bush has alienated America's allies and left the country isolated in the world, because they don't believe this to be the case. "Despite a steady flow of official statements, public demonstrations, and public opinion polls showing that the US war against Iraq is quite unpopular, only 31% of Bush supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq," the study says. Bush supporters also think that world public opinion favors Bush's reelection. In a poll taken from Sept. 3-7, the study says, "57% of Bush supporters assumed that the majority of people in the world would prefer to see Bush reelected, 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred."
In fact, a PIPA study released in early September found that a majority or plurality of people from 32 countries preferred Kerry to Bush. PIPA surveyed 34,330 people, ages 15 and above, from regions all over the world. A Pew poll released this spring similarly found that "large majorities in every country, except for the U.S., hold an unfavorable opinion of Bush."
Bush supporters are also mistaken about the president's own positions (a pattern of misapprehension that an earlier PIPA report also documented). "Majorities incorrectly assumed that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues -- the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%); 51% incorrectly assumed he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty -- the principal international accord on global warming ... Only 13% of supporters are aware that he opposes labor and environmental standards in trade agreements -- 74% incorrectly believe that he favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade. In all these cases, there is a recurring theme: majorities of Bush supporters favor these positions, and they infer that Bush favors them as well."
According to the report, this reality gap is something new in American life. "So why do Bush supporters show such a resistance to accepting dissonant information?" it asks. "While it is normal for people to show some resistance, the magnitude of the denial goes beyond the ordinary. Bush supporters have succeeded in suppressing awareness of the findings of a whole series of high-profile reports about prewar Iraq that have been blazoned across the headlines of newspapers and prompted extensive, high-profile and agonizing reflection. The fact that a large portion of Americans say they are unaware that the original reasons that the US took military action -- and for which Americans continue to die on a daily basis -- are not turning out to be valid, are probably not due to a simple failure to pay attention to the news."
The analysis says that the roots of this denial could lie in the trauma of 9/11 and people's desire to hold on to their image of Bush as a "capable protector." It offers no guidance, though, on how ordinary Republicans might be coaxed back to reality.
And while "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters" may be perversely satisfying to Democrats in its confirmation of blue-state prejudices, it carries a pretty disturbing question for all rational Americans: How can arguments based on fact prevail in a nation where so many people know so little?
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/#bush_reality
The blind leading the blind
Even if they don't like to say it out loud, lots of Democrats think that George Bush's supporters are a horde of ignoramuses. Now comes evidence that they're right! A remarkable new report, titled "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," from PIPA, the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, suggests that rank and file Republicans are more benighted than even the most supercilious coastal elitist would imagine.
Analyzing data from a series of nationwide polls, the report finds that a majority of Bush supporters believe things about the world that are objectively untrue, while the majority of Kerry supporters dwell in the reality-based community. For example, Bush backers largely think that the president and his policies are popular internationally. Seventy-five percent believe that Iraq was providing "substantial" aid to al-Qaida, and 63 percent say clear evidence of this has been found. That, of course, would be news even to Donald Rumsfeld, who earlier this month told the Council on Foreign Relations, "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two."
Though its language is dispassionate, the report lays responsibility for this epidemic of ignorance at the White House's door. "So why are Bush supporters clinging so tightly to these beliefs in the face of repeated disconfirmations?" it asks. "Apparently one key reason is that they continue to hear the Bush administration confirming these beliefs."
Indeed, it says, "an overwhelming 82% [of Bush supporters] perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or a major WMD program (19%). Only 16% of Bush supporters perceive the administration as saying that Iraq had some limited activities, but not an active program (15%) or had nothing (1%). The pattern on al Qaeda is similar. Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters think the Bush administration is currently saying Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda (56%) or even that it was directly involved in 9/11 (19%). Further, 55% of Bush supporters say it is their impression the Bush administration is currently saying the US has found clear evidence Saddam Hussein was working closely with al Qaeda (not saying clear evidence found: 37%)."
These people aren't going to be swayed by the argument that Bush has alienated America's allies and left the country isolated in the world, because they don't believe this to be the case. "Despite a steady flow of official statements, public demonstrations, and public opinion polls showing that the US war against Iraq is quite unpopular, only 31% of Bush supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq," the study says. Bush supporters also think that world public opinion favors Bush's reelection. In a poll taken from Sept. 3-7, the study says, "57% of Bush supporters assumed that the majority of people in the world would prefer to see Bush reelected, 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred."
In fact, a PIPA study released in early September found that a majority or plurality of people from 32 countries preferred Kerry to Bush. PIPA surveyed 34,330 people, ages 15 and above, from regions all over the world. A Pew poll released this spring similarly found that "large majorities in every country, except for the U.S., hold an unfavorable opinion of Bush."
Bush supporters are also mistaken about the president's own positions (a pattern of misapprehension that an earlier PIPA report also documented). "Majorities incorrectly assumed that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues -- the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%); 51% incorrectly assumed he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty -- the principal international accord on global warming ... Only 13% of supporters are aware that he opposes labor and environmental standards in trade agreements -- 74% incorrectly believe that he favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade. In all these cases, there is a recurring theme: majorities of Bush supporters favor these positions, and they infer that Bush favors them as well."
According to the report, this reality gap is something new in American life. "So why do Bush supporters show such a resistance to accepting dissonant information?" it asks. "While it is normal for people to show some resistance, the magnitude of the denial goes beyond the ordinary. Bush supporters have succeeded in suppressing awareness of the findings of a whole series of high-profile reports about prewar Iraq that have been blazoned across the headlines of newspapers and prompted extensive, high-profile and agonizing reflection. The fact that a large portion of Americans say they are unaware that the original reasons that the US took military action -- and for which Americans continue to die on a daily basis -- are not turning out to be valid, are probably not due to a simple failure to pay attention to the news."
The analysis says that the roots of this denial could lie in the trauma of 9/11 and people's desire to hold on to their image of Bush as a "capable protector." It offers no guidance, though, on how ordinary Republicans might be coaxed back to reality.
And while "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters" may be perversely satisfying to Democrats in its confirmation of blue-state prejudices, it carries a pretty disturbing question for all rational Americans: How can arguments based on fact prevail in a nation where so many people know so little?
rcyannacci
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This is soooo irritating! There was such a strong reaction in Europe over Bush pulling out of this treaty! I was in Poland at the time and there were some definite ant-American sentiments that resulted from his actions.
I heard an interesting report on the Marketplace radio program the other day that it is looking like Bush's decision to pull out of Kyoto is not only going to be bad environmentally, but now industry leaders are saying what a bad ECOMONIC decision it was. European companies will all be updating their equipment and systems and will generate a lot of business because of it. American companies who aren't forced to update will be left behind. Bush is still making decision based on an MBA education where the ideas have become obsolete.
Bush stinks.
Peter Pirate
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Putting it mildly!
rcyannacci, I hear that once liberal Austin has turned conservative. Could this be true?
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Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
Oh this one is going to get a few people going . . .
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/#bush_reality
The blind leading the blind
Even if they don't like to say it out loud, lots of Democrats think that George Bush's supporters are a horde of ignoramuses. Now comes evidence that they're right! A remarkable new report, titled "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters," from PIPA, the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, suggests that rank and file Republicans are more benighted than even the most supercilious coastal elitist would imagine.
Analyzing data from a series of nationwide polls, the report finds that a majority of Bush supporters believe things about the world that are objectively untrue, while the majority of Kerry supporters dwell in the reality-based community. For example, Bush backers largely think that the president and his policies are popular internationally. Seventy-five percent believe that Iraq was providing "substantial" aid to al-Qaida, and 63 percent say clear evidence of this has been found. That, of course, would be news even to Donald Rumsfeld, who earlier this month told the Council on Foreign Relations, "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two."
Though its language is dispassionate, the report lays responsibility for this epidemic of ignorance at the White House's door. "So why are Bush supporters clinging so tightly to these beliefs in the face of repeated disconfirmations?" it asks. "Apparently one key reason is that they continue to hear the Bush administration confirming these beliefs."
Indeed, it says, "an overwhelming 82% [of Bush supporters] perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or a major WMD program (19%). Only 16% of Bush supporters perceive the administration as saying that Iraq had some limited activities, but not an active program (15%) or had nothing (1%). The pattern on al Qaeda is similar. Seventy-five percent of Bush supporters think the Bush administration is currently saying Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda (56%) or even that it was directly involved in 9/11 (19%). Further, 55% of Bush supporters say it is their impression the Bush administration is currently saying the US has found clear evidence Saddam Hussein was working closely with al Qaeda (not saying clear evidence found: 37%)."
These people aren't going to be swayed by the argument that Bush has alienated America's allies and left the country isolated in the world, because they don't believe this to be the case. "Despite a steady flow of official statements, public demonstrations, and public opinion polls showing that the US war against Iraq is quite unpopular, only 31% of Bush supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq," the study says. Bush supporters also think that world public opinion favors Bush's reelection. In a poll taken from Sept. 3-7, the study says, "57% of Bush supporters assumed that the majority of people in the world would prefer to see Bush reelected, 33% assumed that views are evenly divided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred."
In fact, a PIPA study released in early September found that a majority or plurality of people from 32 countries preferred Kerry to Bush. PIPA surveyed 34,330 people, ages 15 and above, from regions all over the world. A Pew poll released this spring similarly found that "large majorities in every country, except for the U.S., hold an unfavorable opinion of Bush."
Bush supporters are also mistaken about the president's own positions (a pattern of misapprehension that an earlier PIPA report also documented). "Majorities incorrectly assumed that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues -- the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%); 51% incorrectly assumed he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty -- the principal international accord on global warming ... Only 13% of supporters are aware that he opposes labor and environmental standards in trade agreements -- 74% incorrectly believe that he favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade. In all these cases, there is a recurring theme: majorities of Bush supporters favor these positions, and they infer that Bush favors them as well."
According to the report, this reality gap is something new in American life. "So why do Bush supporters show such a resistance to accepting dissonant information?" it asks. "While it is normal for people to show some resistance, the magnitude of the denial goes beyond the ordinary. Bush supporters have succeeded in suppressing awareness of the findings of a whole series of high-profile reports about prewar Iraq that have been blazoned across the headlines of newspapers and prompted extensive, high-profile and agonizing reflection. The fact that a large portion of Americans say they are unaware that the original reasons that the US took military action -- and for which Americans continue to die on a daily basis -- are not turning out to be valid, are probably not due to a simple failure to pay attention to the news."
The analysis says that the roots of this denial could lie in the trauma of 9/11 and people's desire to hold on to their image of Bush as a "capable protector." It offers no guidance, though, on how ordinary Republicans might be coaxed back to reality.
And while "The Separate Realities of Bush and Kerry Supporters" may be perversely satisfying to Democrats in its confirmation of blue-state prejudices, it carries a pretty disturbing question for all rational Americans: How can arguments based on fact prevail in a nation where so many people know so little?
Oh, now that's just depressing!
rcyannacci
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Originally posted by Peter Pirate
Putting it mildly!
rcyannacci, I hear that once liberal Austin has turned conservative. Could this be true?
Well with the redistricting that happened, it's hard to tell some days
.The liberal spirit is still very much alive and well in Austin. Fewer gun racks...more bike racks
And movements of local commerce are especially strong. Lots of environmentalists as well. We are all ready to plant a "Bush" back in Austin.I do see equal amounts of W and Kerry bumper stickers on I-35, but it tends to see a cross-section fo the state population traveling back and forth from Dallas and San Antonio.
I've said this before on here, but I think that while the state will certainly go red, the percentages in TX could surprise some people.
rcyannacci
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oops...sorry, quoted myself by mistake.
I don't think Bush's decisions are based on his MBA education, but on his business cronies and his campaign contributors.
As for his business ideas being obsolete, they can't be because he never had any business ideas. Every business he's ever had has been set up by one of Daddy's cronies, and when that business gets into trouble as all of Bush's businesses have, one of Daddy's cronies bails him out. If I'm not mistaken, Bush's businesses have lost money in the neighborhood of $350,000,000.
Here's an interesting article about the Republicans and where they're headed.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0410.wallace-wells.html
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0410.wallace-wells.html
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Originally posted by peachgirl
Btw...we must be doing something right....The Bushies are just having fits over this thread!
Just took a look over there and I'm amused at such comments as this in reference to posters of this thread:
Some would vote a trained monkey in.
My first thought - didn't the Republicans do that in 2000?
Also, at least one of the posters has noticed that this thread is staying near the top of the list and is trying to get her cohorts to keep their thread more active. Of course they think we're taking low-blows at Bush - as if that should come as any surprise with all the fodder he provides.
Honestly, I find the disparity of the threads both amusing and very illustrative of the differences between the two camps. I'm generalizing, of course, and make no claim to be totally objective but here is how I'd describe each:
Them
- Gloom and doom only possible result of Kerry being elected.
- Self-rigetous: several comments made about the "juvenile" nature of the posts on the Kerry thread.
- Little ability to see humor in a situation. Sure, they might have some jokes included but cannot find any humor in even the fact that we have these two threads.
- Generally blinkered to the lies from the Bush administration as well as the current slip in his poll positions.
- Conspiracy theorists: Kerry supporters are accused of many and varied acts trying to "steal" the election.
Us
- Optimistic about the future, if not immediately then in 4 years. Yes, we want Kerry to win but I don't think most of us expect the world to end if Bush is elected.
- Able to laugh at ourselves and see the absurdity even in our own behavior. While some posts have fun at Bush's expense, many are about the humor of having these two threads.
- Not self-deluding: we may be supporting Kerry but I don't think anyone believes him to be perfect or have all the answers - yet
- Trusting that just because someone supports Bush does not automatically make that person part of any large conspiracy to rig the election
Just a few observations...
Therapeutic Smile
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And quite frankly, LisaZoe, it helps to have pictures of your daughter at the bottom of your posts and therefore all over this thread... an angelic face like that can only help but remind us the future of America is still bright!
Of course... it will be even brighter if Kerry is elected, but who's splitting hairs?
Of course... it will be even brighter if Kerry is elected, but who's splitting hairs?
LisaZoe
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Originally posted by Therapeutic Smile
And quite frankly, LisaZoe, it helps to have pictures of your daughter at the bottom of your posts and therefore all over this thread... an angelic face like that can only help but remind us the future of America is still bright!
Of course... it will be even brighter if Kerry is elected, but who's splitting hairs?
Thanks... she definitely helps me to keep things in perspective, that's for sure.
Laura
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Originally posted by Therapeutic Smile
And quite frankly, LisaZoe, it helps to have pictures of your daughter at the bottom of your posts and therefore all over this thread... an angelic face like that can only help but remind us the future of America is still bright!
Of course... it will be even brighter if Kerry is elected, but who's splitting hairs?
She's so beautiful. And she totally owns that gold dress, like she wears gowns and tiaras every day!- Status
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