Flu shots - why not?

There is a very good chance that you are not getting influenza because those around are getting the shot and are not getting influenza :rolleyes1

My DH travels frequently around the country, which means we get germs in our house from everywhere, not just "local" germs.

I doubt everyone in the country is getting the flu shot. :lmao:
 
This, also. One of the comments my friend made was 'so many people get shots - it's not necessary for us who don't want them to have to'. This implies to me that she is relying on the fact that many of us do get immunized - for her protection. But - I'm not commenting on it with her because I don't want to provoke an argument.

For me, the fact others are getting the shots doesn't factor into our decison at all.
 
Sometimes I think it may be better for us to actually contract the disease and have life long immunity to that particular strain, rather than a shot that wears off every year. It's how our bodies are designed. We don't do the flu shot here, and haven't had the flu (confirmed anyway). I don't think everybody needs it every year. I think that recommendation is driven by money.
 
There is a very good chance that you are not getting influenza because those around are getting the shot and are not getting influenza :rolleyes1

The majority of people here don't get the flu vaccine (it is still only recommended for certain groups), so I can say that in our case we are definitely not getting by on other people's immunity.
 

even though i have asthma, i still don't get a flu shot because, as a PP mentioned, the strains included in the shot each year are just a guess, and the flu that goes around may not even be included in the shot. i've had the flu once in the past 20 years, i went to the dr. as soon as the symptoms came on, got some tamiflu, and i was 100% better the next day. i'd MUCH rather do that than run the risk of getting a shot that may not even help me, but may make me sick or lower my immune system to the point that i catch everything i encounter the entire winter. i'm very healthy, and rarely get sick, and i'd like to keep it that way. i just don't have much faith in the flu shot.
 
three years ago I received the gift of the FLU from my grandson.
Last two years I have gotten the shot and I am fine...
I was very very sick for 5 days with fever and headache, I dont want to do that again..
These last two years have been flu free and that is my goal..
plus I am a diabetic...
 
For those of you who choose not to get the flu shot - what guides your decision? I have a friend who is having a rant on fb about not 'putting that crap' into her children - if they get the flu, that's what hospitals are for. I always get the shot, my kids too - so I'm just curious as to why people who don't, don't? No flames from me - just wondering.

I have not and I should.

My 20yodd should get it because she has heart issues. I am on her to get it this yr. She has had it 4 times in the last 2yrs because of close quarters in the dorms.

The flu can damage your heart muscle for life. I know someone who it happened too.

My younger dd and I had the flu last yr. It sucked.:headache:
 
I never get the flu vaccine, for myself, or my children, and my husband doesn't either. We are NOT, however, anti-vax; and all of my children's required vaccinations were done on time and are up-to-date.

Sometimes I think it may be better for us to actually contract the disease and have life long immunity to that particular strain, rather than a shot that wears off every year. It's how our bodies are designed. We don't do the flu shot here, and haven't had the flu (confirmed anyway). I don't think everybody needs it every year. I think that recommendation is driven by money.

I quote this first because I think this is very important. To most people with a healthy immune system, having the flu is no big deal. You get it, you rest and take care of yourself, you see a docter if you need to, and then you have immunity to that strain. You get immunity because you had a LIVE virus. If you keep getting a flu shot each year you keep getting a DEAD virus so you may not get the flu THAT year but you never develop immunity either. My family, and those around me, are healthy, we have very low risk factors, and if we are going to get sick, I'd rather see us get immunity out of the deal.

I figure if we are healthy enough to avoid catching these things when they are going around, we are healthy enough to deal with an infection if we ever do get one. Not all "avoidance" is luck - often our body does come into contact with a germ but the germ doesn't get the better of us, usually because the immune system takes care of it right away. I have occasionally felt as though I could be starting to come down with something, but I fight it off before it can take hold, and it goes away without my ever knowing what it was. We don't use hand sanitizer and we don't handwash frequently - we really don't take many precautions against germs (mostly we keep things sanitary in the kitchen and bathroom). At WDW, for example, the kids touched everything, we did no cleaning of our condo, half the time we even forgot to wash hands before eating something (horrors) ..... and 2 of them were thumb-suckers when tired (imagine those thumbs after a day in the parks ...... shudder) ! Hey, maybe our constant exposure to all sorts of germs has made us stronger!

If any of us had health issues that would make the flu very dangerous, then we'd do what we needed to to protect ourselves, but we don't need to right now IMO.

Again, its all about your immune system. My family has very healthy immune systems, we are very rarely sick, only the odd-occasional seasonal virus or 24-hour stomach bug (the kids just went back to school - eek!). Like the quoted poster, we focus on keep our environment clean, but we NEVER over sanitize. On vacation, we touch everything, walk on the hotel floors barefoot, sleep with the comforters on the beds, and use the remotes (Egads!! :lmao:). At home the kids are encouraged to grub in the dirt and play with the fish and frogs and bugs at the ponds, and play with the cat and the dog outside, and they probably eat dirt LOL. We use NO hand sanitizer, but only just plain soap and water to wash up. No one has any allergies or asthma, and no one gets sick very often. Then again, we also live in a very rural area, with minimal pollution, and clean water and air. Not all can be so lucky. If someone in our home had health issues, I would probably reconsider the issue of flu vaccines.
 
Sometimes I think it may be better for us to actually contract the disease and have life long immunity to that particular strain, rather than a shot that wears off every year. It's how our bodies are designed. We don't do the flu shot here, and haven't had the flu (confirmed anyway). I don't think everybody needs it every year. I think that recommendation is driven by money.

If this is how it worked, then yes, your thinking would be correct but the problem is that the flu viruses mutate so quickly that the chances of actually being immune to a strain is slim to none. The flu strain that is out this year, in 5 years will be SIMILAR but not exact and you may or may not be immune to the mutated virus.

People DO need it every year because every year there is a new strain or a new mutation of that strain. Just ask the families of the 100,000's that die every year from the influenza...
 
If this is how it worked, then yes, your thinking would be correct but the problem is that the flu viruses mutate so quickly that the chances of actually being immune to a strain is slim to none. The flu strain that is out this year, in 5 years will be SIMILAR but not exact and you may or may not be immune to the mutated virus.

People DO need it every year because every year there is a new strain or a new mutation of that strain. Just ask the families of the 100,000's that die every year from the influenza...

That same point is one of the reasons I do not find it valuable or necessary. Because it mutates so quickly and because the strains are so varied I am only protected if I am exposed to the exact strains I was immunized for and that's it..anything else I am going to catch anyway. Wasn't H1N1 mutating last year when they were vaccinating people for a different strain of it? I know there is now more than one strain of H1N1 that has been found and we haven't been watching it/vaccinating for it for very long.

I might feel more strongly about that because as I mentioned it kills my immune system when I get a flu shot. The flu is no treat but I am better off immune wise to get it and be done with it than get the shot and spend a year constantly ill but I likely would feel the same way about the ineffectiveness of the shot even if it didn't mess me up. Even the CDC "admits" that the effectiveness of the vaccine can vary from year to year.

Does the flu vaccine work the same for everyone?

The flu vaccine is the single best way to prevent the flu, and vaccination is the main tool used to protect people from influenza. A number of studies have shown that the flu vaccine works, but how well the vaccine works can change from year to year and vary among different groups of people. The ability of the flu vaccine to protect a person depends on at least two things: 1) the age and health of the person getting the vaccine and, 2) the similarity or “match” between the virus strains in the vaccine and those being spread in the community.

I think we all have to educate ourselves and make the choice that is best for ourselves and our family based on our health history and risk factors.

ETA-Some of those people who die from complications of the flu have been vaccinated that year..having the vaccine does not mean you can not contract it and does not guarantee you don't suffer lethal complications.

Many people think getting a flu vaccination will protect them from getting the flu and, by extension, reduce the number of deaths attributed to an influenza outbreak. New research, however, reveals the flu vaccination does not prevent death in elderly patients to the degree widely believed. With meticulous evaluation strategies upon which to base their conclusion, a team of researchers in Alberta, Canada, suggests the flu vaccine’s benefits have been exaggerated over time and that “good” patients may sway the outcome of studies of the vaccine.

Dean T. Eurich, PhD, and assistant professor and clinical epidemiologist at the University of Alberta’s School of Public Health says the healthy-user effect may play a more significant role in studies conducted to examine the benefits of flu vaccinations on the elderly than previously thought. In the past 20 years, the rate of vaccination in the United States’ elderly population has gone from only 15% to 65% but there has not been a comparative decline in the number of hospitalizations or of deaths attributed to influenza in this segment of the population.
 
People DO need it every year because every year there is a new strain or a new mutation of that strain. Just ask the families of the 100,000's that die every year from the influenza...

Ok, just for clarity's sake, and to be PERFECTLY clear, the vast majority of people who die from influenza are NOT in the United States (and or other developed countries) and do not have access to the flu shot, hence would not be having this discussion with us. 100,000's do not die each year in the USA.

Let's not play the Sky Is Falling game, please. <----- (see tag)

According to the CDC website:

An estimated annual number of 36,000 deaths is given, per year, from 1990-91 through 1998-99. During those years, the number of estimated deaths ranged from 17,000 to 52,000, with an average of about 36,000. During that period, estimates of respiratory and circulatory influenza-associated deaths ranged from about 5,000 to about 52,000, with an average of about 25,000. While the 36,000 number is often cited, it's important to note that during that decade, influenza A (H3N2) was the predominant virus during most of the seasons, and H3N2 influenza viruses are typically associated with higher death rates. CDC believes that the range of deaths over the past 31 years (~3,000 to ~49,000) is a more accurate representation of the unpredictability and variability of flu-associated deaths.

In addition, the study confirmed previous findings that about 90% of influenza associated deaths occur among adults 65 years and older.

CDC estimated that only 8.5% of all pneumonia and influenza deaths and only 2.1% of all respiratory and circulatory deaths were influenza-related.


Obviously, a MUCH smaller number, and MUCH more concentrated in OLDER Americans, coincidently, those for whom the flu vaccine was originally intended.
 
The thing that makes me laugh every year are the number of people that proudly proclaim, "I got my flu shot and I didn't get the flu therefore the shot works."

Classical "post hoc ergo propter hoc" :thumbsup2
 
Ok, just for clarity's sake, and to be PERFECTLY clear, the vast majority of people who die from influenza are NOT in the United States (and or other developed countries) and do not have access to the flu shot, hence would not be having this discussion with us. 100,000's do not die each year in the USA.

Let's not play the Sky Is Falling game, please. <----- (see tag)

According to the CDC website:

An estimated annual number of 36,000 deaths is given, per year, from 1990-91 through 1998-99. During those years, the number of estimated deaths ranged from 17,000 to 52,000, with an average of about 36,000. During that period, estimates of respiratory and circulatory influenza-associated deaths ranged from about 5,000 to about 52,000, with an average of about 25,000. While the 36,000 number is often cited, it's important to note that during that decade, influenza A (H3N2) was the predominant virus during most of the seasons, and H3N2 influenza viruses are typically associated with higher death rates. CDC believes that the range of deaths over the past 31 years (~3,000 to ~49,000) is a more accurate representation of the unpredictability and variability of flu-associated deaths.

In addition, the study confirmed previous findings that about 90% of influenza associated deaths occur among adults 65 years and older.

CDC estimated that only 8.5% of all pneumonia and influenza deaths and only 2.1% of all respiratory and circulatory deaths were influenza-related.


Obviously, a MUCH smaller number, and MUCH more concentrated in OLDER Americans, coincidently, those for whom the flu vaccine was originally intended.

Also the ones that do die here, are usually compromised in some way before the get the flu. No less tragic, but, you are right, the sky isn't falling, and for those of good health, the flu won't kill us.
 
I have never felt the need to get a flu shot. For some reason I just don't buy it. I would do more research I guess if I was in a high risk group and my doctor thought I should.

My husband gets them free at work every year and he is always getting sick...while I on the other hand never get sick :laughing:
 
If this is how it worked, then yes, your thinking would be correct but the problem is that the flu viruses mutate so quickly that the chances of actually being immune to a strain is slim to none. The flu strain that is out this year, in 5 years will be SIMILAR but not exact and you may or may not be immune to the mutated virus.

People DO need it every year because every year there is a new strain or a new mutation of that strain. Just ask the families of the 100,000's that die every year from the influenza...

Are you talking worldwide? Because the CDC reports only 849 deaths due to influenza (that was 2006. I couldn't find more current numbers. . .just %s).

ETA-nevermind. . .the PP found better info then mine. :)
 
To most people with a healthy immune system, having the flu is no big deal. You get it, you rest and take care of yourself, you see a docter if you need to, and then you have immunity to that strain. You get immunity because you had a LIVE virus. If you keep getting a flu shot each year you keep getting a DEAD virus so you may not get the flu THAT year but you never develop immunity either.
With all due respect, this statement demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of immunology. Vaccines work by triggering a lasting immune response in your body's immune system. They accomplish this because the selected antigen(s) in the vaccine (be they live, attenuated, or dead) allow the immune system to learn how to produce antibodies against the target pathogen. This effect lasts long after the vaccine leaves your body. While it may be true to say that often times live/attenuated vaccines may trigger a stronger, longer lasting, immune response, it's wrong to try and say that vaccines that employ dead antigens offer no lasting effect.

The need for annual influenza vaccines isn't because that our vaccines offer no lasting protection because they're "dead", it's because the flu virus is extremely good at mutating compared with other pathogens.
 
With all due respect, this statement demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of immunology. Vaccines work by triggering a lasting immune response in your body's immune system. They accomplish this because the selected antigen(s) in the vaccine (be they live, attenuated, or dead) allow the immune system to learn how to produce antibodies against the target pathogen. This effect lasts long after the vaccine leaves your body. While it may be true to say that often times live/attenuated vaccines may trigger a stronger, longer lasting, immune response, it's wrong to try and say that vaccines that employ dead antigens offer no lasting effect.

The need for annual influenza vaccines isn't because that our vaccines offer no lasting protection because they're "dead", it's because the flu virus is extremely good at mutating compared with other pathogens.

Thanks!
 
Are you talking worldwide? Because the CDC reports only 849 deaths due to influenza (that was 2006. I couldn't find more current numbers. . .just %s).

ETA-nevermind. . .the PP found better info then mine. :)
While I'm not ready to endorse golfgal's numbers (certainly not domestically), you may want a little more information before you starting Googling mortality stats. If you want to determine flu-related deaths, you need to understand that MANY people that die after contracting the flu don't die of the flu itself, but secondary problems that arise because of the flu. For example: flu-related pneumonia. It's similar to the notion that nobody dies of HIV, it's the opportunistic infections that kill people.

You can quibble about numbers, but the bottom line is that a heck of a lot o people still die of flu each year... and with some strains, it's not just the old and sick that perish.
 


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