FLL airport - Shooting today at 1 pm - 9 wounded

[mummabear]

Under typical civil rights law in the US that address this, denying service based on being in a protected class isn't legal, but that doesn't obligate the business to provide goods or services that they're uncomfortable providing.

For several of the wedding cake/flower cases brought in the US, the plaintiffs didn't specifically ask for certain decorations that were any different. They were denied services strictly based on who they were or how the product would be used.

Sure it does, you can't say refuse to cut someones hair because the colour of their skin makes you uncomfortable.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Sure it does, you can't say refuse to cut someones hair because the colour of their skin makes you uncomfortable.

That's not what PP said.

The discussion isn't about refusing to serve certain individuals. The discussion is refusing to tweak the service in a manner you don't wish to offer.

 

[Pacolovestacos]

Sure it does, you can't say refuse to cut someones hair because the colour of their skin makes you uncomfortable.

strawman

 

[wilkeliza]

I was in the airport yesterday for the initial shooting incident as well as the following incident not being talked about in the media. 14 of us had just returned from a cruise. We split off from my little sister who was going to fly to Tampa to be with her boyfriend and the rest of us were in Terminal three to fly to Buffalo.
I looked out the window and saw helicopters hovering in place, which prompted us to look at the tv monitor and see that there was a shooting occurring in the airport. Things were calm, people gradually gravitated to the tvs but no announcemnbets were made. While saddened and shocked we saw that the shooter was in custody, and that they felt it was a single incident.
It was at least a few hours later (we were really early for our flight) and my son was napping on my husband, my family were all sitting in a cluster of chairs. I was standing and chatting with them with my back to hallway (we were at the end of the terminal).
I heard the screams first. Turned to see people running frantically towards us, screaming there was a shooter and to get down. I screamed to my husband to put our son on the floor. We went as far under the seat benches as we could and tried to lay on top of the kids. Very briefly after I told my husband I wanted to run. He told us to wait and stood to see if we could, he yelled GO NOW and we along with many other screaming and crying people ran to the door. I pulled a teen girl with us who was screaming for her mom thinking she needed to get out. She did find her mom.
It was at the bottom of the stairs that my mom fell and sprained her ankle. I heard someone screaming and it was my husband picking up my sister in law to keep her from going back up the stairs. Her husband (my brother) was inside with the baby and they had been in the bathroom. We did not find or hear from them for at least 30 minutes. We called my sister in Terminal two. The same thing was simulataneously occurring in her terminal and I was telling her to find something to hide behind that looked bulletproof.. to get out of the open. She had heard shots and they dove for the floor. As I was on the phone with her i heard police run in and tell them all to run.

We waiting on the Tarmac for at least 6 hours that I barely remember. I know people were kind, updates and announcements were non existent but we were given water and eventually told they would be doing controlled detonations and not to be afraid. We were eventually evacuated by SWAT teams. As expected, evacuated 12000 tired and frightened people was not an easy or smooth process. Red Cross Emergency response teams met us at the cruise terminal where we were bussed. From there our large group walked out to main roads to get away from traffic jams and were able to get UBER to a hotel. We got in to the hotel at 2 am.

I lost my wallet and my daughters passport, my house keys, my car keys, all of our medications, my shoe. We have been contacted about where we can go to try and ID our luggage and just got through to the hotline to report the things left behind when we ran. I am amazed that the second incident is not being reported at all. Mass hysteria in multiple terminals at the same time with shots heard not only by my sister but multiple people we've spoken to since.

Regardless.. and here is the most important thing. I am ALIVE. My children are ALIVE. My family is ALIVE. The rest of it doesn't matter. People are mourning their loved ones today and they deserve all the support and love we can send them. My family will need counselling, but we have each other.
Thank you if you made it through all of this. I feel like I need to tell it over and over.

I am so sorry this happened but so glad you are safe.

 

[lifesavacation]

I was in the airport yesterday for the initial shooting incident as well as the following incident not being talked about in the media. 14 of us had just returned from a cruise. We split off from my little sister who was going to fly to Tampa to be with her boyfriend and the rest of us were in Terminal three to fly to Buffalo.
I looked out the window and saw helicopters hovering in place, which prompted us to look at the tv monitor and see that there was a shooting occurring in the airport. Things were calm, people gradually gravitated to the tvs but no announcemnbets were made. While saddened and shocked we saw that the shooter was in custody, and that they felt it was a single incident.
It was at least a few hours later (we were really early for our flight) and my son was napping on my husband, my family were all sitting in a cluster of chairs. I was standing and chatting with them with my back to hallway (we were at the end of the terminal).
I heard the screams first. Turned to see people running frantically towards us, screaming there was a shooter and to get down. I screamed to my husband to put our son on the floor. We went as far under the seat benches as we could and tried to lay on top of the kids. Very briefly after I told my husband I wanted to run. He told us to wait and stood to see if we could, he yelled GO NOW and we along with many other screaming and crying people ran to the door. I pulled a teen girl with us who was screaming for her mom thinking she needed to get out. She did find her mom.
It was at the bottom of the stairs that my mom fell and sprained her ankle. I heard someone screaming and it was my husband picking up my sister in law to keep her from going back up the stairs. Her husband (my brother) was inside with the baby and they had been in the bathroom. We did not find or hear from them for at least 30 minutes. We called my sister in Terminal two. The same thing was simulataneously occurring in her terminal and I was telling her to find something to hide behind that looked bulletproof.. to get out of the open. She had heard shots and they dove for the floor. As I was on the phone with her i heard police run in and tell them all to run.

We waiting on the Tarmac for at least 6 hours that I barely remember. I know people were kind, updates and announcements were non existent but we were given water and eventually told they would be doing controlled detonations and not to be afraid. We were eventually evacuated by SWAT teams. As expected, evacuated 12000 tired and frightened people was not an easy or smooth process. Red Cross Emergency response teams met us at the cruise terminal where we were bussed. From there our large group walked out to main roads to get away from traffic jams and were able to get UBER to a hotel. We got in to the hotel at 2 am.

I lost my wallet and my daughters passport, my house keys, my car keys, all of our medications, my shoe. We have been contacted about where we can go to try and ID our luggage and just got through to the hotline to report the things left behind when we ran. I am amazed that the second incident is not being reported at all. Mass hysteria in multiple terminals at the same time with shots heard not only by my sister but multiple people we've spoken to since.

Regardless.. and here is the most important thing. I am ALIVE. My children are ALIVE. My family is ALIVE. The rest of it doesn't matter. People are mourning their loved ones today and they deserve all the support and love we can send them. My family will need counselling, but we have each other.
Thank you if you made it through all of this. I feel like I need to tell it over and over.

How terrifying! Glad you are safe.

ETA: Was there another shooter? I'm confused since I've only heard about 1 person in custody.

 

[CdnCarrie]

The big case that came down in the US was of several agents of the United States Secret Service in the Presidential protection detail. They were dining at one location of the restaurant chain Denny's. The agents frankly self-segregated by race for whatever reason. They noticed their disparate treatment. The white agents were served promptly and were allowed to eat before being given their bills. The black agents were waiting a long time and were asked to pay up front. Once they filed a lawsuit, similar allegations were publicized, and Denny's made a statement that they wouldn't allow it and could punish employees and/or franchises that violated their corporate nondiscrimination policies.

OMG someone posted just above you about BEING in the freaking airport and all you can do is worry about stupid debate. Wow. Just wow.

 

[minnie56]

Under typical civil rights law in the US that address this, denying service based on being in a protected class isn't legal, but that doesn't obligate the business to provide goods or services that they're uncomfortable providing.

For several of the wedding cake/flower cases brought in the US, the plaintiffs didn't specifically ask for certain decorations that were any different. They were denied services strictly based on who they were or how the product would be used.

They did report a second incident but diffused it rather quickly with little or no information.
You ARE alive and yes, that is all that matters! How awful for you all, I hope the weeks/ months ahead bring peace.

 

[bellebud]

I was in the airport yesterday for the initial shooting incident as well as the following incident not being talked about in the media. 14 of us had just returned from a cruise. We split off from my little sister who was going to fly to Tampa to be with her boyfriend and the rest of us were in Terminal three to fly to Buffalo...

OMG, so many hugs to you. Thank goodness you and your family are all safe.

 

[minnie56]

OMG someone posted just above you about BEING in the freaking airport and all you can do is worry about stupid debate. Wow. Just wow.

In true disboards fashion this thread has gone you know where in a handbasket !

 

[CdnCarrie]

I was in the airport yesterday for the initial shooting incident as well as the following incident not being talked about in the media. 14 of us had just returned from a cruise. We split off from my little sister who was going to fly to Tampa to be with her boyfriend and the rest of us were in Terminal three to fly to Buffalo.
I looked out the window and saw helicopters hovering in place, which prompted us to look at the tv monitor and see that there was a shooting occurring in the airport. Things were calm, people gradually gravitated to the tvs but no announcemnbets were made. While saddened and shocked we saw that the shooter was in custody, and that they felt it was a single incident.
It was at least a few hours later (we were really early for our flight) and my son was napping on my husband, my family were all sitting in a cluster of chairs. I was standing and chatting with them with my back to hallway (we were at the end of the terminal).
I heard the screams first. Turned to see people running frantically towards us, screaming there was a shooter and to get down. I screamed to my husband to put our son on the floor. We went as far under the seat benches as we could and tried to lay on top of the kids. Very briefly after I told my husband I wanted to run. He told us to wait and stood to see if we could, he yelled GO NOW and we along with many other screaming and crying people ran to the door. I pulled a teen girl with us who was screaming for her mom thinking she needed to get out. She did find her mom.
It was at the bottom of the stairs that my mom fell and sprained her ankle. I heard someone screaming and it was my husband picking up my sister in law to keep her from going back up the stairs. Her husband (my brother) was inside with the baby and they had been in the bathroom. We did not find or hear from them for at least 30 minutes. We called my sister in Terminal two. The same thing was simulataneously occurring in her terminal and I was telling her to find something to hide behind that looked bulletproof.. to get out of the open. She had heard shots and they dove for the floor. As I was on the phone with her i heard police run in and tell them all to run.

We waiting on the Tarmac for at least 6 hours that I barely remember. I know people were kind, updates and announcements were non existent but we were given water and eventually told they would be doing controlled detonations and not to be afraid. We were eventually evacuated by SWAT teams. As expected, evacuated 12000 tired and frightened people was not an easy or smooth process. Red Cross Emergency response teams met us at the cruise terminal where we were bussed. From there our large group walked out to main roads to get away from traffic jams and were able to get UBER to a hotel. We got in to the hotel at 2 am.

I lost my wallet and my daughters passport, my house keys, my car keys, all of our medications, my shoe. We have been contacted about where we can go to try and ID our luggage and just got through to the hotline to report the things left behind when we ran. I am amazed that the second incident is not being reported at all. Mass hysteria in multiple terminals at the same time with shots heard not only by my sister but multiple people we've spoken to since.

Regardless.. and here is the most important thing. I am ALIVE. My children are ALIVE. My family is ALIVE. The rest of it doesn't matter. People are mourning their loved ones today and they deserve all the support and love we can send them. My family will need counselling, but we have each other.
Thank you if you made it through all of this. I feel like I need to tell it over and over.

Oh my goodness. I am so sorry. What a horrible horrible thing. How are your children doing?

 

[wilkeliza]

How terrifying! Glad you are safe.

ETA: Was there another shooter? I'm confused since I've only heard about 1 person in custody.

Broward County police department said that reports of a 2nd shooter were false and made during the hysteria. Originally it was reported from people at the airport but no shooter was found and no injuries so they believe there was not a sencond individual. Oddly enough one channel I watched did show a 2nd person being taken away from the airport in handcuffs but could not say if it was linked to what was going on or just they caught him taking advantage of the situation (ie stealing from left behind goods).

 

[bcla]

If the bakery has never provided a cake with an African American figure on top, and they don't advertise that in their list of services, nobody can compel them to do so.

Personally I think that's stupid, but the same rights would protect a business from having to provide something with a patently objectionable message, such as something overtly racist.

The majority of bakeries order supplies from supply houses. I've heard of a few businesses where they said they'd order something they didn't necessarily agree with, but they would give it to the customer to deal with.

 

[Twende]

I was in the airport yesterday for the initial shooting incident as well as the following incident not being talked about in the media. 14 of us had just returned from a cruise. We split off from my little sister who was going to fly to Tampa to be with her boyfriend and the rest of us were in Terminal three to fly to Buffalo.
I looked out the window and saw helicopters hovering in place, which prompted us to look at the tv monitor and see that there was a shooting occurring in the airport. Things were calm, people gradually gravitated to the tvs but no announcemnbets were made. While saddened and shocked we saw that the shooter was in custody, and that they felt it was a single incident.
It was at least a few hours later (we were really early for our flight) and my son was napping on my husband, my family were all sitting in a cluster of chairs. I was standing and chatting with them with my back to hallway (we were at the end of the terminal).
I heard the screams first. Turned to see people running frantically towards us, screaming there was a shooter and to get down. I screamed to my husband to put our son on the floor. We went as far under the seat benches as we could and tried to lay on top of the kids. Very briefly after I told my husband I wanted to run. He told us to wait and stood to see if we could, he yelled GO NOW and we along with many other screaming and crying people ran to the door. I pulled a teen girl with us who was screaming for her mom thinking she needed to get out. She did find her mom.
It was at the bottom of the stairs that my mom fell and sprained her ankle. I heard someone screaming and it was my husband picking up my sister in law to keep her from going back up the stairs. Her husband (my brother) was inside with the baby and they had been in the bathroom. We did not find or hear from them for at least 30 minutes. We called my sister in Terminal two. The same thing was simulataneously occurring in her terminal and I was telling her to find something to hide behind that looked bulletproof.. to get out of the open. She had heard shots and they dove for the floor. As I was on the phone with her i heard police run in and tell them all to run.

We waiting on the Tarmac for at least 6 hours that I barely remember. I know people were kind, updates and announcements were non existent but we were given water and eventually told they would be doing controlled detonations and not to be afraid. We were eventually evacuated by SWAT teams. As expected, evacuated 12000 tired and frightened people was not an easy or smooth process. Red Cross Emergency response teams met us at the cruise terminal where we were bussed. From there our large group walked out to main roads to get away from traffic jams and were able to get UBER to a hotel. We got in to the hotel at 2 am.

I lost my wallet and my daughters passport, my house keys, my car keys, all of our medications, my shoe. We have been contacted about where we can go to try and ID our luggage and just got through to the hotline to report the things left behind when we ran. I am amazed that the second incident is not being reported at all. Mass hysteria in multiple terminals at the same time with shots heard not only by my sister but multiple people we've spoken to since.

Regardless.. and here is the most important thing. I am ALIVE. My children are ALIVE. My family is ALIVE. The rest of it doesn't matter. People are mourning their loved ones today and they deserve all the support and love we can send them. My family will need counselling, but we have each other.
Thank you if you made it through all of this. I feel like I need to tell it over and over.

Oh my goodness what a horrific experience. I am so glad that you are alive, all alive! I do hope you get your belongings back. Thank you for sharing with us.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

OMG someone posted just above you about BEING in the freaking airport and all you can do is worry about stupid debate. Wow. Just wow.

While I absolutely 100% agree with you (I cannot even imagine how scary it would have been to actually have been there) I just have to say they aren't the only one to be involved in the said discussion. I'm not pointing any fingers (because really that's not what I'm trying to do at all believe me) just making the observation since one particular person was quoted versus just a general comment made on the thread.

 

[bcla]

Sure it does, you can't say refuse to cut someones hair because the colour of their skin makes you uncomfortable.

That's kind of a gray area. It's not so much discomfort with race or ethnicity, but there is a distinct difference in the hair of those with African or Melanesian ancestry, and the training/techniques needed to do a good job. There are businesses that specialize in that. If a business simply can't do a competent job, should they be compelled?

I remember a TV show where a group from Vanuatu came to the United States. One of the hosts was a black US Army soldier. Before they were to receive an award on behalf of their tribe, the soldier took them to his barber for haircuts - specifically a cut called a "low-fro". Their hair was actually quite similar to African hair.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I was in the airport yesterday for the initial shooting incident as well as the following incident not being talked about in the media. 14 of us had just returned from a cruise. We split off from my little sister who was going to fly to Tampa to be with her boyfriend and the rest of us were in Terminal three to fly to Buffalo.
I looked out the window and saw helicopters hovering in place, which prompted us to look at the tv monitor and see that there was a shooting occurring in the airport. Things were calm, people gradually gravitated to the tvs but no announcemnbets were made. While saddened and shocked we saw that the shooter was in custody, and that they felt it was a single incident.
It was at least a few hours later (we were really early for our flight) and my son was napping on my husband, my family were all sitting in a cluster of chairs. I was standing and chatting with them with my back to hallway (we were at the end of the terminal).
I heard the screams first. Turned to see people running frantically towards us, screaming there was a shooter and to get down. I screamed to my husband to put our son on the floor. We went as far under the seat benches as we could and tried to lay on top of the kids. Very briefly after I told my husband I wanted to run. He told us to wait and stood to see if we could, he yelled GO NOW and we along with many other screaming and crying people ran to the door. I pulled a teen girl with us who was screaming for her mom thinking she needed to get out. She did find her mom.
It was at the bottom of the stairs that my mom fell and sprained her ankle. I heard someone screaming and it was my husband picking up my sister in law to keep her from going back up the stairs. Her husband (my brother) was inside with the baby and they had been in the bathroom. We did not find or hear from them for at least 30 minutes. We called my sister in Terminal two. The same thing was simulataneously occurring in her terminal and I was telling her to find something to hide behind that looked bulletproof.. to get out of the open. She had heard shots and they dove for the floor. As I was on the phone with her i heard police run in and tell them all to run.

We waiting on the Tarmac for at least 6 hours that I barely remember. I know people were kind, updates and announcements were non existent but we were given water and eventually told they would be doing controlled detonations and not to be afraid. We were eventually evacuated by SWAT teams. As expected, evacuated 12000 tired and frightened people was not an easy or smooth process. Red Cross Emergency response teams met us at the cruise terminal where we were bussed. From there our large group walked out to main roads to get away from traffic jams and were able to get UBER to a hotel. We got in to the hotel at 2 am.

I lost my wallet and my daughters passport, my house keys, my car keys, all of our medications, my shoe. We have been contacted about where we can go to try and ID our luggage and just got through to the hotline to report the things left behind when we ran. I am amazed that the second incident is not being reported at all. Mass hysteria in multiple terminals at the same time with shots heard not only by my sister but multiple people we've spoken to since.

Regardless.. and here is the most important thing. I am ALIVE. My children are ALIVE. My family is ALIVE. The rest of it doesn't matter. People are mourning their loved ones today and they deserve all the support and love we can send them. My family will need counselling, but we have each other.
Thank you if you made it through all of this. I feel like I need to tell it over and over.

I am so incredible sorry you experienced that truly don't know how I would react if I had been there. I'm so very happy that you and your loved ones are ok. I feel that saddness though for those who knew one of the persons who died especially closely knew or were a family member or a spouse.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I was in the airport yesterday for the initial shooting incident as well as the following incident not being talked about in the media. 14 of us had just returned from a cruise. We split off from my little sister who was going to fly to Tampa to be with her boyfriend and the rest of us were in Terminal three to fly to Buffalo.
I looked out the window and saw helicopters hovering in place, which prompted us to look at the tv monitor and see that there was a shooting occurring in the airport. Things were calm, people gradually gravitated to the tvs but no announcemnbets were made. While saddened and shocked we saw that the shooter was in custody, and that they felt it was a single incident.
It was at least a few hours later (we were really early for our flight) and my son was napping on my husband, my family were all sitting in a cluster of chairs. I was standing and chatting with them with my back to hallway (we were at the end of the terminal).
I heard the screams first. Turned to see people running frantically towards us, screaming there was a shooter and to get down. I screamed to my husband to put our son on the floor. We went as far under the seat benches as we could and tried to lay on top of the kids. Very briefly after I told my husband I wanted to run. He told us to wait and stood to see if we could, he yelled GO NOW and we along with many other screaming and crying people ran to the door. I pulled a teen girl with us who was screaming for her mom thinking she needed to get out. She did find her mom.
It was at the bottom of the stairs that my mom fell and sprained her ankle. I heard someone screaming and it was my husband picking up my sister in law to keep her from going back up the stairs. Her husband (my brother) was inside with the baby and they had been in the bathroom. We did not find or hear from them for at least 30 minutes. We called my sister in Terminal two. The same thing was simulataneously occurring in her terminal and I was telling her to find something to hide behind that looked bulletproof.. to get out of the open. She had heard shots and they dove for the floor. As I was on the phone with her i heard police run in and tell them all to run.

We waiting on the Tarmac for at least 6 hours that I barely remember. I know people were kind, updates and announcements were non existent but we were given water and eventually told they would be doing controlled detonations and not to be afraid. We were eventually evacuated by SWAT teams. As expected, evacuated 12000 tired and frightened people was not an easy or smooth process. Red Cross Emergency response teams met us at the cruise terminal where we were bussed. From there our large group walked out to main roads to get away from traffic jams and were able to get UBER to a hotel. We got in to the hotel at 2 am.

I lost my wallet and my daughters passport, my house keys, my car keys, all of our medications, my shoe. We have been contacted about where we can go to try and ID our luggage and just got through to the hotline to report the things left behind when we ran. I am amazed that the second incident is not being reported at all. Mass hysteria in multiple terminals at the same time with shots heard not only by my sister but multiple people we've spoken to since.

Regardless.. and here is the most important thing. I am ALIVE. My children are ALIVE. My family is ALIVE. The rest of it doesn't matter. People are mourning their loved ones today and they deserve all the support and love we can send them. My family will need counselling, but we have each other.
Thank you if you made it through all of this. I feel like I need to tell it over and over.

I'm sorry this happened to you and your family. Glad you are safe! Thank you for sharing, please update when you can!

 

[TLSnell1981]

In true disboards fashion this thread has gone you know where in a handbasket !

I'd really like to hear about the Ft Lauderdale tragedy. Earlier..thought I was on the wrong thread.
The topic/discussion has changed. Now, it's about cakes, classes and racism. Why not start a separate thread?

 

[mummabear]

If the bakery has never provided a cake with an African American figure on top, and they don't advertise that in their list of services, nobody can compel them to do so.

If they advertise that they sell wedding figures there is no reason for them to not provide any sex/colour combo anyone wishes, unless of course they advertise as "we sell white hetro wedding figures"

Again, if someone is decorating, these are cakes are made specific to each order. I dont think the old classic figures on top are hugely popular anymore, and decorating a cake is decorating a cake no matter who or what it is for. If someone wants a 3 tiered fruit cake covered in white, with red roses it doesn't matter who is ordering it. It is also no more difficult for the baker to order any figurine combo (or if making them themselves from gum paste) to make two grooms (or two brides) than a bride and a groom. It is not a different service it is the same as picking blue frosting over pink-you don't get to say well pink makes me uncomfortable.

It absolutely is up to the baker how they will decorate their cakes. You can't compel a bakery to decorate a cake the way you want it if that is not advertised as a specific option.

If you are in the business of custom cakes, no it's not, it's up to your client.

Disagree. Now, you're infringing upon the decorator's rights.

The decorators right is to be paid. End of story. If you have any tolerance issue then don't run a business.

That's not what PP said.

The discussion isn't about refusing to serve certain individuals. The discussion is refusing to tweak the service in a manner you don't wish to offer.

Again specific to cakes. These are customs, every cake is tweaked, they aren't normally just ordered from an catalogue stick standard, tweaking is the norm. If you are making a gum paste couple and you are willing to tweak the hair colour, skin colour etc to match a couple you can also match the gender. You can make brides and grooms so you do t get to say but I won't put the grooms together.

 

[MillauFr]

OMG someone posted just above you about BEING in the freaking airport and all you can do is worry about stupid debate. Wow. Just wow.

Don't be too upset at any the recent posters talking about a Cake. The whole tangent started by a misinterpreted statement that the shooting was a result of "Cultural Mixing".