First big MLB controversy of the year? Angels player grabs fan by the collar and allegedly takes a swipe.

[BrianL]

This just makes me think of Seinfeld
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There had to be a second spitter!

 

[sam_gordon]

What Rendon did was idiotic. But there has to be more done to handle obnoxious, often drunk fans who feel so entitled. I know the NBA (where fans are right on top of the players) has had many situations over the years where security has removed fans at the request of the officials/players. This situation should never have gotten to the point a player feels the need to go into the stands - remove those fans before it happens. No one, especially kids, should be exposed to the verbal abuse by fans like that - nor the retaliatory violence. Nip it before it can happen.....

It looked to me like the players were going down a hallway to the locker room. No, not excusing it, but I don't think this qualifies as a "player going into the stands".

 

[tvguy]

It looked to me like the players were going down a hallway to the locker room. No, not excusing it, but I don't think this qualifies as a "player going into the stands".

He reached into the stands to grab the clothing of the fan. Enough video was shot to show he should have just continued walking into the locker room.

 

[sam_gordon]

He reached into the stands to grab the clothing of the fan. Enough video was shot to show he should have just continued walking into the locker room.

Don't think I said he shouldn't have (continued to the locker room). If someone says "a player went into the stands", I'm picturing the BODY of the player getting into the stands, not reaching an arm across a barrier.

 

[thanxfornoticin]

The video clearly shows that he reached into the stands to grab the person, after the person was specifically getting as close to the netting (that protects the fans from foul balls) to yell something directly at Rendon. They've investigated Rendon's actions and he's being punished. I hope they investigate the fan's actions and also punish that person, if warranted. There are situations where fans have been banned from arenas because of something like this, and even had season tickets revoked. Both parties were wrong, but the fan clearly instigated the situation verbally - possibly feeling safe behind the netting......

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

After losing their first two games 11-7 and 16-3, I’ve given up on the Phillies this year.

Did they get swept by Texas?

Oh yeah that's right. Now I remember. And they lost the first game to the yankees too They did option their relief pitcher with an ERA of 54.00 down to AAA so there's that. They did pitch well in their third game, but lost it 2-1. The 4th game they lost 8-1.

Of course I didn't need the first week to write my team off.

 

[tvguy]

Don't think I said he shouldn't have (continued to the locker room). If someone says "a player went into the stands", I'm picturing the BODY of the player getting into the stands, not reaching an arm across a barrier.

Well, I am a recovering Little League Umpire and in Little League a player even talking to a fan is grounds for ejection.

 

[bcla]

The video clearly shows that he reached into the stands to grab the person, after the person was specifically getting as close to the netting (that protects the fans from foul balls) to yell something directly at Rendon. They've investigated Rendon's actions and he's being punished. I hope they investigate the fan's actions and also punish that person, if warranted. There are situations where fans have been banned from arenas because of something like this, and even had season tickets revoked. Both parties were wrong, but the fan clearly instigated the situation verbally - possibly feeling safe behind the netting......

They could very well take action against the fan, but in my estimation he did nothing illegal. But yeah he could possibly be banned from games depending on what the investigation uncovers.

But Rendon laid hands on someone and feinted striking him. He's looking at a police investigation and the potential for jail time for battery. And I find it very ironic that he calls himself "more Christian than baseball player". He certainly didn't show it by laying hands on someone in the stands and calling him a .... OK - I'm not going to use the word but one can hear it clearly in the clip.

 

[MillauFr]

I just worry about when one of the states forces teams to allow fans to open carry in the stadium. Then we will see mayhem.

 

[EACarlson]

I just worry about when one of the states forces teams to allow fans to open carry in the stadium. Then we will see mayhem.

What state do you think is going to do this? Just about every state that allows carry has private property exemptions from the law, including those publicly owned facilities rented by private enterprise, like those stadiums rented by teams.
Regardless, those with carry permits are 60% less likely to commit a felony than licensed law enforcement officers. You need to be more worried about the cops at the stadium than you do the citizens carrying legally.

 

[MillauFr]

What state do you think is going to do this? Just about every state that allows carry has private property exemptions from the law, including those publicly owned facilities rented by private enterprise, like those stadiums rented by teams.
Regardless, those with carry permits are 60% less likely to commit a felony than licensed law enforcement officers. You need to be more worried about the cops at the stadium than you do the citizens carrying legally.

Many of the stadiums are built with public funds and therefore not private property.

 

[EACarlson]

Many of the stadiums are built with public funds and therefore not private property.

And all of those stadiums other than Lambeau Field of which I am aware, lease the buildings to the teams, which makes them private property. You still haven't answered the question of what state it is you think is going to force teams to allow open carry?

 

[MillauFr]

And all of those stadiums other than Lambeau Field of which I am aware, lease the buildings to the teams, which makes them private property. You still haven't answered the question of what state it is you think is going to force teams to allow open carry?

If you lease a property to someone else it is still your property and you can make rules for the tenant. I think many states are going to implement those types of rules. Mostly the ones now forcing public universities to allow students to carry on campus.

 

[EACarlson]

Give me one example of a state that you believe will force a team to allow open carry? There is a huge difference between saying that students have a right to defend themselves on campus and saying that a private business has to allow open carry.

 

[sam_gordon]

Well, I am a recovering Little League Umpire and in Little League a player even talking to a fan is grounds for ejection.

First, we're talking MLB, not LL. I would hopes the rules would be different between the two. And really? A player TALKING to a fan is grounds for ejection? "Hey Mom, did you see that hit I had?" Umpire: "You're outta here!" LOL

And again, it really doesn't matter what the "rules" are. If someone says "Player X went into the stands after an insult", I am NOT thinking he reached an arm through a fence/net. Maybe you do.

 

[MillauFr]

Give me one example of a state that you believe will force a team to allow open carry? There is a huge difference between saying that students have a right to defend themselves on campus and saying that a private business has to allow open carry.

Mississippi, Montana, Utah, West Virginia. If a private business locates on campus property they have to follow the same laws as the public buildings on campus.

 

[tvguy]

And really? A player TALKING to a fan is grounds for ejection? "Hey Mom, did you see that hit I had?" Umpire: "You're outta here!" LOL

Little League International Rules state that no team manager/coach or player will interact with a spectator or parent in or outside of the dugout during the game.

And again, it really doesn't matter what the "rules" are. If someone says "Player X went into the stands after an insult", I am NOT thinking he reached an arm through a fence/net. Maybe you do.

Apparently MLB disagrees with you.
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[sam_gordon]

Little League International Rules state that no team manager/coach or player will interact with a spectator or parent in or outside of the dugout during the game.

If that's the rule, it's poorly written. First, don't parents coach at that age? So a player can't interact with a coach? After all, they're not allowed to "interact with a... PARENT in or outside... "

Second, are umpires actually throwing out kids for talking to their parents?
Dad: "Jimmy, great catch!"
Jimmy: "Thanks Dad!"
Umpire: "You're outta here!"

I'm not asking what the rule is, but what happens in the real world.

Apparently MLB disagrees with you.
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Based on what? Unless they said the player "went into the stands", it doesn't matter what other action they take. All I said is if someone says "so and so went into the stands", I'm not picturing an arm reaching through.

 

[EACarlson]

Mississippi, Montana, Utah, West Virginia. If a private business locates on campus property they have to follow the same laws as the public buildings on campus.

Since only one of those four has a major professional sports franchise, I looked it up. The ticketed individual agrees to abide by certain policies, one of which is that firearms are not allowed in the arena. Refusal to follow those policies results in the individual being ejected from the premises, and possibly trespassing charges.
No mention is made in state law that I can find that references private businesses that have to follow the same firearms laws as the public university. For what it's worth, BYU has a blanket policy of no firearms on campus without express written approval.

 

[tvguy]

If that's the rule, it's poorly written. First, don't parents coach at that age? So a player can't interact with a coach? After all, they're not allowed to "interact with a... PARENT in or outside... "

THEY CAN INTERACT TO ANYONE INSIDE THE DUGOUT.

Second, are umpires actually throwing out kids for talking to their parents?
Dad: "Jimmy, great catch!"
Jimmy: "Thanks Dad!"
Umpire: "You're outta here!"

YUP, THE PLAYER AND THE MANAGER. HOW SERIOUS IS LITTLE LEAGUE ABOUT THIS? IN TOURNAMENTS THEY GO SO FAR AS TO ROPE OFF THE AREA BEHIND THE DUGOUTS TO PREVENT OUTSIDES FROM GETTING CLOSE ENOUGH TO INTERACT WITH PLAYERS IN THE DUGOUT AND THEY POST SIGNS WARNING THERE IS TO BE NO INTERACTION ON THE BACK OF THE DUGOUTS. AND ANYONE ATTEMPTING TO INTERACT FROM THE OUTSIDE IS THROWN OUT OF THE STANDS/FACILITY.

I'm not asking what the rule is, but what happens in the real world.

EJECTION IS REAL

Based on what? Unless they said the player "went into the stands", it doesn't matter what other action they take. All I said is if someone says "so and so went into the stands", I'm not picturing an arm reaching through.

ASK Anthony Rendon. MLB SUSPENDED HIM FOR 5 GAMES......REDUCED TO 4 DAYS AFTER HE PUBLICLY APOLOGIZED FOR REACHING INTO THE STANDS AND SPOKE TO THE FAN PERSONALLY........PLUS AN UNDISCLOSED FINE. RENDON MAKES $157,000 PER GAME SO JUST THE LOST SALARY COST HIM $629,000.

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