Finger Scanning-what a joke

[AnaheimGirl]

How much do you think these people are spending on food, parking, gifts, etc.?? Quite a bit, wouldn't it be in Disney's best interest to allow more people into the park to spend their money on other goods and forget about the ticket prices. The only people that are keeping Disney from making more money is Disney.

Following that logic, Disney shouldn't charge admission to anyone. Just think of how much money they'd make on food, gifts and souveniers if they just opened their gates and let everyone in for free!

 

[peter11435]

So I can complain when changes are made that I don't agree with.

Why, you don't agree with something that prevent you from cheating the system. And your logic is still flawed. Your example of a 10 day ticket does not work because they do not charge the same amount of money per day for a 10 day as they do for a 2 day. Thus you are cheating the system and disney is out money. It is really not that hard to understand. They give you a better rate the longer you stay. Thus buying a 10 day ticeket instead of two 5 days is cheating the system. If they didn't stop you from sharing tickets the cost of a 10 day ticket would be $600 instead of only $209.

 

[safetymom]

I think it is fair now that everyone has to do the finger scan.

As far as sharing the tickets, why should you be able to split the ticket when that clearly isn't what Disney intended. It intended to give special pricing for those that bought the ticket. There wasn't a category called shared ticketing.

 

[peter11435]

I understand what you are saying. But you should rephrase the statement to "disney would be making even more money if both John and Mark bought a 3 day pass instead of splitting a 6 day pass". But to say Disney is losing money I disagree. It is offensive to me as someone with annual passes, that I should be penalized as a faithful and loyal consumer of the "Disney product", that I should have to be forced to stand in longer lines due to the fact that this company wants to ensure that it is making that extra dollar. I agree with the DLKT, it is offensive as I am not a thief or a person who is out to take advantage of someone else, so why should i be subjected to them taking advantage of me.

I too am an AP holder. That asside we are all punished by others mistakes. Just look at car insurance. The fact is that just because you are honest doesn't mean everyone is. The few extra minutes (thats really all it is) you now spend in line allows them to offer you lower prices.

 

[WedwayRocks]

I'm not saying that you should or should not be able to split the tickets. I really dont care as it does not apply to me. I simply have a problem with the statement that "disney is losing money" by this practice. Disney is not losing any money by any means. I am sure that disney anticipated things like this happening. Don't you think that if Disney saw this as a real problem they would have just kept only single day admissions. I think we can assume that Disney did their research and saw that yes, some people might take advantage of this, but most people, probably 95% wont.

 

[btuftee]

While I am at it. Doesn't it undermind the whole idea of Disney? Shouldn't more people be allowed to come to these parks and experience this time that quite obviously so many of us have taken for granted. What is so wrong with us finding ways to save money from a corporation that is so quick to try and take every last dollar that you have. Not only do they raise ticket prices, raise parking prices, raise food and merchandise prices, they do this while taking advantage of the people and staff that work there and all some can do i sit and defend Disney's money hungry policies.

Obviously you are correct... Disney should stop charging admission tomorrow. Everyone's in for free.

Then, two weeks later, they can close their doors when they run out of cash to pay their employees, service their corporate debt, perform maintenance on the rides, etc.

I've never been disappointed in the cost of a Disney vacation, because all I have to do is go someplace else (recently went to Six Flags St. Louis - what a dump!), and appreciate what my dollar buys there. Bottom line, if you want a cheap amusement park, you get what you pay for. You seem to act as if you're entitled to something for free from Disney... like they OWE you. If you don't like the price, don't buy - that's how a free market works.

 

[WedwayRocks]

I too am an AP holder. That asside we are all punished by others mistakes. Just look at car insurance. The fact is that just because you are honest doesn't mean everyone is. The few extra minutes (thats really all it is) you now spend in line allows them to offer you lower prices.

I have purchased AP the last 3 years and the only reduction in cost I have seen on these is from renewals so I dont know where these lower prices are that you speak of.

 

[grimley1968]

I have purchased AP the last 3 years and the only reduction in cost I have seen on these is from renewals so I dont know where these lower prices are that you speak of.

I believe he was referring to cost of MYW tickets, which really are less expensive the longer you get them, than were the old parkhopper tickets. They may have fewer features, but I'm definitely willing to deal with fewer features if there's a chance I can save some money on the overall ticket package, which I do in this case. If all that is required of me is that I put my fingers in some biometric scanner to achieve lower prices, I have no problems with it.

 

[WedwayRocks]

Obviously you are correct... Disney should stop charging admission tomorrow. Everyone's in for free.

Then, two weeks later, they can close their doors when they run out of cash to pay their employees, service their corporate debt, perform maintenance on the rides, etc.

I've never been disappointed in the cost of a Disney vacation, because all I have to do is go someplace else (recently went to Six Flags St. Louis - what a dump!), and appreciate what my dollar buys there. Bottom line, if you want a cheap amusement park, you get what you pay for. You seem to act as if you're entitled to something for free from Disney... like they OWE you. If you don't like the price, don't buy - that's how a free market works.

Right, that is exactly what I am saying, let everyone in the park for free. Take the easy road in the discussion as the extremist. I don't think the idea behind these parks was to make as much money as you possibly could and screw everyone that can't afford. What if some people can't afford to come to these parks but only through the help of others. I still stand by my statement that this doesn't happen often enough to even be brought up. But since it has, what is so wrong and how is it effecting any of us.

 

[WedwayRocks]

I believe he was referring to cost of MYW tickets, which really are less expensive the longer you get them, than were the old parkhopper tickets. They may have fewer features, but I'm definitely willing to deal with fewer features if there's a chance I can save some money on the overall ticket package, which I do in this case. If all that is required of me is that I put my fingers in some biometric scanner to achieve lower prices, I have no problems with it.

My mistake.

 

[btuftee]

I'm not saying that you should or should not be able to split the tickets. I really dont care as it does not apply to me. I simply have a problem with the statement that "disney is losing money" by this practice. Disney is not losing any money by any means.

When the company could be making more money, and doesn't because of ticket misuse, it's losing money. If Bob and Alice can misuse a 10-day ticket to get two 5-day stays, instead of buying two 5-day tickets separately, Disney does not get as much $$ out of the transaction. If that isn't lost money, I don't know what is. The only way Disney wouldn't lose money is if neither Bob nor Alice would even come to WDW, unless they could split a 10-day ticket. In that case, Disney is at least getting some $$ out of them, instead of zero dollars. But that's not very satisfying, because what do you do then, let people split tickets, but only if they promise that it's the only way they could come to Disney?

I am sure that disney anticipated things like this happening.

Wal-mart anticipates shoplifting. Doesn't make it right when it happens. Yes, I know this is not even close to shoplifting, but just because Disney knows it's going to happen doesn't make it right.

I think we can assume that Disney did their research and saw that yes, some people might take advantage of this, but most people, probably 95% wont.

True, Disney wouldn't be doing this if they were making less money than with the old park hopper pass ticket system. But again, saying that Disney is still making money, and Disney has planned for ticket misuse, doesn't make it OK.

 

[WedwayRocks]

Dont you feel like your back in 4th grade arithmetic? If Bob has a 10 day park hopper and Alice uses 5 of those days, how many days does Bob have left?

 

[grimley1968]

When the company could be making more money, and doesn't because of ticket misuse, it's losing money. If Bob and Alice can misuse a 10-day ticket to get two 5-day stays, instead of buying two 5-day tickets separately, Disney does not get as much $$ out of the transaction. If that isn't lost money, I don't know what is. The only Disney wouldn't lose money is if neither Bob nor Alice would even come to WDW, unless they could split a 10-day ticket. In that case, Disney is at least getting some $$ out of them, instead of zero dollars.


Wal-mart anticipates shoplifting. Doesn't make it right when it happens. Yes, I know this is not even close to shoplifting, but just because Disney knows it's going to happen doesn't make it right.


True, Disney wouldn't be doing this if they were making less money than with the old park hopper pass ticket system. But again, saying that Disney is still making money, and Disney has planned for ticket misuse, doesn't make it OK.

Very well put. I totally agree.

 

[DLKT]

Why, you don't agree with something that prevent you from cheating the system. And your logic is still flawed. Your example of a 10 day ticket does not work because they do not charge the same amount of money per day for a 10 day as they do for a 2 day. Thus you are cheating the system and disney is out money. It is really not that hard to understand. They give you a better rate the longer you stay. Thus buying a 10 day ticeket instead of two 5 days is cheating the system. If they didn't stop you from sharing tickets the cost of a 10 day ticket would be $600 instead of only $209.

It's not "cheating" and Disney has lost no money.
They sold a 10 day block of time for a fixed price.
Who cares who uses it so long as it's no more than 10 days.

If I sold you a giant sized candy bar that was cheaper than two smaller bars and told you you couldn't share it with anybody wouldn't you have a problem with that?
And in response to you telling me that you want to give some to a friend I say that you should have bought 2 smaller bars instead, what would you say?

Again, in my original post I clearly state that legally Disney is ok, that it clearly says nontransfer on the back of the ticket (or in the agreement, I can't remember where).
But in my mind I bought a 10 day block of time that Disney was selling at a reduced price.
I bought a bigger candy bar.
Saying I can't give some away is ludicrous to me.

 

[peter11435]

I have purchased AP the last 3 years and the only reduction in cost I have seen on these is from renewals so I dont know where these lower prices are that you speak of.

The prices are not lower for AP's however they are lower for the MYW tickets.

 

[zddPaul]

I have posted about this before.
Disney has made the money for the initial ticket purchase.
I buy a 10 day pass and use 6 days then my brother uses 4 = 10 days.
The 10 day ticket is used in full.
There is no loss in the Disney cash drawer.
They were not cheated or scammed.
A 10 day ticket was used for 10 days.
Case closed.

Do you see anything wrong if I would be able to give me one day ticket at 3:00PM to someone waiting outside to buy a ticket so they can get in for free?

If you don't see anything wrong, I'll just agree to disagree. If you see something wrong in this example, I'd be interested in hearing an argument about how this is different than the example above.

I definately agree with your right to complain about changes you don't like though.

 

[grimley1968]

Again, in my original post I clearly state that legally Disney is ok, that it clearly says nontransfer on the back of the ticket (or in the agreement, I can't remember where).
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Saying I can't give some away is ludicrous to me.

Maybe it's ludicrous to you, but you were given ample warning that you're not supposed to do it.

We can't just selectively pick the laws we choose to obey and the ones we don't, based on our subjective definition of which ones are ludicrous.

Whether you like it or not, those are the rules Disney set forth for buying their tickets, and as stated above, it's now the law in Florida. Take it or leave it. It's your right to do either. Personally, I'm playing it safe and keeping my tickets to myself.

 

[WedwayRocks]

Do you see anything wrong if I would be able to give me one day ticket at 3:00PM to someone waiting outside to buy a ticket so they can get in for free?

If you don't see anything wrong, I'll just agree to disagree. If you see something wrong in this example, I'd be interested in hearing an argument about how this is different than the example above.

I definately agree with your right to complain about changes you don't like though.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense to me...but isn't my puppy the cutest dog ever?

 

[DLKT]

Maybe it's ludicrous to you, but you were given ample warning that you're not supposed to do it.

We can't just selectively pick the laws we choose to obey and the ones we don't, based on our subjective definition of which ones are ludicrous.

Whether you like it or not, those are the rules Disney set forth for buying their tickets, and as stated above, it's now the law in Florida. Take it or leave it. It's your right to do either. Personally, I'm playing it safe and keeping my tickets to myself.

Is it also against the law in Florida to express an opinion about a law that you don't agree with?

 

[peter11435]

It's not "cheating" and Disney has lost no money.
They sold a 10 day block of time for a fixed price.
Who cares who uses it so long as it's no more than 10 days.

If I sold you a giant sized candy bar that was cheaper than two smaller bars and told you you couldn't share it with anybody wouldn't you have a problem with that?
And in response to you telling me that you want to give some to a friend I say that you should have bought 2 smaller bars instead, what would you say?

Again, in my original post I clearly state that legally Disney is ok, that it clearly says nontransfer on the back of the ticket (or in the agreement, I can't remember where).
But in my mind I bought a 10 day block of time that Disney was selling at a reduced price.
I bought a bigger candy bar.
Saying I can't give some away is ludicrous to me.

Um that is kinda why you cant share an all you can eat buffet. It is cheating, and if you can't see that then you need to get glasses. End of story.