Filling the CB with Debates- Yes or No

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by WebmasterPenny
Whoa, whoa people! Are there really people here who don't know that Alex is a minimalist with words sometimes - you are all reading more in to his suggestion than there is

Allow a girl who is considerably less minimalist to re-phrase

No one is asking anyone to leave these boards. Period. Make no mistake, when we want someone to leave, we take measures that leaves the poster in no doubt (and with no choice!).

The DB is alas gone. I know a lot of people are genuinely upset by this and trust me, we all <b><i>do</i></b> understand that But the decision has been made and that board will <i>not</i> be returning.

A suggestion was made to re-open it as a paid for/private membership board. As money was never the issue and as having it as a private board no more fits in with the direction we wish the site to take than an open board this will not be offered. <i>However</i> - what Alex was saying is that if you are willing to pay for something and as we won't ever be offering what you are looking for, you might <i><b>consider,</i></b> as an <i><b>option,</i></b> looking at EZboards who can offer what you want.

Once again, you are free to debate here or on any board you feel is appropriate to the topic, as long as it stays within the guidelines you are very welcome. However, for people who might now feel that the guidelines are too constraining there are other options - but unfortunately those options aren't available on this site. That isn't an invitation for anyone to leave...just pointing out that this site cannot be all things to all people. I'm sorry.

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Thank you for that clarification, Penny.. If Webmaster Alex had relayed his message as you have done above, I would not have had a problem with it at or - nor would I have even responded to it..

I have been involved in many debates on the DIS over the past couple of years and truth be known, there were quite a few that weren't even on the Debate Board, but rather the Budget Board, Transportation Board, Orlando and Attractions Board, Disney News and Rumors Board, Theme Parks and Attractions Board, Disney Restaurants Board, Disney Resorts Board, and yes, right here on the Community Board.. That's why I'm so confused about the less-than-welcome "reception" that many of the DBer's are receiving these past few days.. It's not like the ONLY board that indulged in debates was the DB..

So just to be clear - as long as I (or anyone else, for that matter) can be civil and follow the guidelines, there will be no problem if someone posts a "Can I get my 4 yr. old into the parks by saying she's 3?" thread and I (or someone else) responds in a manner that is obviously going to turn a debatable topic into a debate?

If the answer is yes, then all is well - and those posters who don't want to read or be involved in a "debate" can simply move on to the next thread - correct?

Just looking for some concrete clarification here..

Thanks!

 

[KathyTX]

Originally posted by C.Ann
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So just to be clear - as long as I (or anyone else, for that matter) can be civil and follow the guidelines, there will be no problem if someone posts a "Can I get my 4 yr. old into the parks by saying she's 3?" thread and I (or someone else) responds in a manner that is obviously going to turn a debatable topic into a debate?

I think you'll find that the dividing line between "debate" and "argument" might be a little more clearly defined on the CB.

I don't think you'll actually find that your example here is a debatable topic, and the response to such a question would probably be a simple statement of Disney's rules.

The REAL question in the question you post is "Do I really have to be honest and follow the rules?" The 5 to a room, park at a resort for free, pool hopping, refillable mugs, etc. questions all pretty much fall into this category. They all have the same answer: Disney has stated policies for these issues. And threads on them pretty much turn into mudslinging arguments. These, IMHO, are not debates.

 

[skuttle]

Doesn't make a difference to me. I didn't frequent the debate board so I won't miss it. As for the debates here on the CB, it's very easy to just not click on threads that don't seem interesting to me.

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by skuttle
As for the debates here on the CB, it's very easy to just not click on threads that don't seem interesting to me.

Excellent idea and GOOD advice for everyone.

 

[sunni]

Originally posted by KathyTX
So you'd like a "members-only" part of the DIS for debaters, with a paid membership, but unmoderated?

Not all of us feel that way (though I can understand why some might).

 

[HauntedMansionGeek]

Originally posted by WebmasterAlex
OH heck I should have seen this one coming. Someone please explain how suggesting you start your own board to handle "debates" is in anyway the same as asking you to leave here. It doesn't mean you aren't welcome for the community or disney trip planning but who can deny you could have much freer debates on a board set up for that purpose?

I thought it was an excellent suggestion and I didn't see it as asking people to leave here. I saw it as an alternative to the now closed debate board. That doesn't mean ya can't be here, at this site too!

It might be a great idea too for anyone who wants to get a feel of just how difficult moderating/owning/running a board can be.

 

[DMRick]

I thought it was an excellent suggestion and I didn't see it as asking people to leave here.

I agree. Some people may not have realized you can start other boards (and of course some know just how to do that). I've run a board with only 500 people on it..and that was enought to cure me forever. You just can't please all the people all the time, and heck, it's hard enough to please some of them some of the time.

I personally would have liked the DB staying, so the "main" debating stayed in one place, but I understand the right of management to do what they want with thier board.

 

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by DMRick
I personally would have liked the DB staying, so the "main" debating stayed in one place.

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Wasn't this why the Debate Board began orignally - so as not to clog up the other topic boards? And why "debates" were moved from the various other topic boards to the DB?

Not sure I understand what has changed because you still have people complaining that they'll have to weed through all of the "debates" to get to the "fluff" threads..

 

[lynxstch]

put the debate board back..they are overrunning the community board with these topics already!

 

[CRB#33]

Originally posted by HauntedMansionGeek
I thought it was an excellent suggestion and I didn't see it as asking people to leave here. I saw it as an alternative to the now closed debate board. That doesn't mean ya can't be here, at this site too!

It might be a great idea too for anyone who wants to get a feel of just how difficult moderating/owning/running a board can be.

heeheehee

That's how I read it too HMG.

 

[WebmasterAlex]

lynkstch... I am TOTALLY confused.. i see hardly any topics on the first 2 pages of the CB that wouldn't have been there anyway!!

 

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by WebmasterAlex
lynkstch... I am TOTALLY confused.. i see hardly any topics on the first 2 pages of the CB that wouldn't have been there anyway!!

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I agree - I don't see hardly any either (or they're well disguised in the title) - but unfortunately, that is the "mind set" of some of the folks here on the CB - whether it's factual or not..

A decision was made to combine the two boards (within guidelines of course) and now the mods are simply going to have to deal with the fallout of that decision.. Once the holiday weekend is over and the people who formerly posted frequently on the DB get up to speed, I'm sure you will see a lot more debates on the CB and will ultimately hear a lot more grumbling by the CBer's who consider this board to be their "home" as to "why can't these posts be moved to a debate board?"

Should be interesting to see what develops within the next few days and weeks..

Anybody got some popcorn?

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by lynxstch
put the debate board back..they are overrunning the community board with these topics already!

A bit of an overreaction don't you think?

Got any data to prove that assertion?

 

[faithinkarma]

I really do not think the CB will have that many debates. I expect those who loved debating will be searching for a new home. Not necessarily abandoning the DIS, just going elsewhere to get a debate fix.

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by C.Ann
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I'm sure you will see a lot more debates on the CB and will ultimately hear a lot more grumbling by the CBer's who consider this board to be their "home" as to "why can't these posts be moved to a debate board?"

Conversely, DBer's have to wade through 10 times as much of "my cat just learned how to drive" fluff threads.

And they wonder why some DBer's are going to feel unwelcome with attitudes like that.

Simple solution is to skip over the threads that don't interest you. Even if you make the mistake to read the first couple of posts I highly doubt your day would be ruined.

 

[WebmasterAlex]

C. Ann, you are not quite correct. No decision was made to combine the two boards. We said that we would allow debates on the C board as long as they stayed within the site guidelines. That really isn't a change, to some extent we always have.
If people who frequented the DB want to post their debates here they can but we did allow extra tolerance on the DB that will not occur here.
I don't think it's going to be that interesting at all.

 

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by WebmasterAlex
C. Ann, you are not quite correct. No decision was made to combine the two boards. We said that we would allow debates on the C board as long as they stayed within the site guidelines. That really isn't a change, to some extent we always have.
If people who frequented the DB want to post their debates here they can but we did allow extra tolerance on the DB that will not occur here.
I don't think it's going to be that interesting at all.

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I'm sorry - let me rephrase my statement.. People from the debate board have been instructed that they are welcome to post debates on the CB as long as they follow the DIS guidelines.. Is that better?

See the post complaining about how much "space" the debates are taking up already to determine whether or not it's going to become "interesting" around here.. Your problem isn't going to be with the folks from the debate board - it will be from those who choose to "whine" about how many posts they have to weed through to find a fluff post..



If no one has any popcorn, I'll settle for a few boxes of Raisinettes..

 

[DMRick]

it will be from those who choose to "whine" about how many posts they have to weed through to find a fluff post..

I've only seen one complaint..and I didn't even understand that, since I'm just not seeing much yet from the debate people. And as you know from the posting you have done on the CB, there is also a lot there that isn't fluff (there has been some very serious stuff posted there..as well as fluff)..so maybe the DB people will find they will enjoy some of the posting on the CB as well. I guess it's wait and see time.

I'll eat my low fat meringues and wish I had your raisinette's while I watch what happens.

 

[ginna74]

See the post complaining about how much "space" the debates are taking up already to determine whether or not it's going to become "interesting" around here.. Your problem isn't going to be with the folks from the debate board - it will be from those who choose to "whine" about how many posts they have to weed through to find a fluff post..



If no one has any popcorn, I'll settle for a few boxes of Raisinettes..


that about sums it up

 

[Robinrs]

Frankly I see a lot of whining from both sides and mostly from the same small group of people. They said, they don't, they're like this and they don't like us.... good LORD... it sounds like high school.

This is a message board people. I post here because it's my choice. I decide to post here or not. If I don't like it I go elsewhere, I don't try to change it. Thank you GOD for the ignore button.

I guess it's the nature of the word "debate" that causes all of the "quotes" and the back and forth. I don't expect it to end anytime soon and will not be around to watch it. It's getting OLD.