fight at dca between guest and the one and only disney security cm they have working

[lockedoutlogic]

To the contrary, I think Bob Iger looks at that video and thinks, "Check it out! We don't need to hire any security at all -- the guests will take care of it for us!"

true true

 

[Disco]

Weird,
On our trip to DL last year we were eating at Pinocchio's and one of the employees noticed an unattended box. He yelled to everyone eating there if it belonged to anyone? No one claimed it.
I would say within 2 minutes three Disney Security CMs showed up, and cleared/blockaded a perimeter around the package.
I don't think one of them was below 50 years old though and wouldn't think any of them would have been capable of subduing this drunken guy.
Watching that video the taunting kids were pissing me off. The lady screeching seemed to make him pause for a moment but then started to get aggravating as well. The ToT CMs should have done a better job pushing the crowd back. The whole situation was just fuel on the fire.
The security CM probably felt he needed to keep the guy on the ground. He probably shouldn't have sprayed him while he was standing there passive, but who knows maybe he was biding his time to wipe the pepper spray out of his eyes to launch another attack? So I don’t really fault the CM him for spraying him again. After being assaulted the guy needs to be subdued and not in a situation where he can hurt anyone. The security CM just needed back up to accomplish this. That’s why I’m surprised by this slow response after seeing their security swoop in in no time on an earlier occasion?

 

[Luv2Roam]

Response was way too long. Had I been there I would have been calling 911. At least that would have gotten some attention.
I hate to think if the guy was out to do more harm that what he was what he was.
Shudder to think.
I don't see people yelling at him were helping in anyway. They should have gone to get help. Not yell and tape it. They only made a bad situation worse. (Although there should have been no reason for any guest to go and get help. I think everyone seemed astounded that no other CM was around to help.)

 

[Mouse14]

FAKE POLICE BRUTALITY!!!

did anybody else wonder why panama jack came over 10 seconds AFTER the guy was on the ground and gave up and gave him five more shots with the pepper spray?

for good measure?

you have got to be kidding me?.... and second he got sprayed again while standing there wiping his eyes because the security guard was telling him to get on the ground and he was not listening... therefore he deserved everything he got... he is LUCKY that it was not a realy cop, or else he would have been shot...

if i was in that crowd i would have stepped in loooooong before the bystanders did... it would have been lights out for that dude

 

[Cricket2]

I do have to say that must be some weak mall-cop pepper spray. The real deal would put him down and he would have stayed down. Everyone around there would be in pain too just from the fumes.

I bet his fastpass was expired

P.S. Disney advocating the guests helping the security guy is opening up a big can-o-worms too.

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

you have got to be kidding me?.... and second he got sprayed again while standing there wiping his eyes because the security guard was telling him to get on the ground and he was not listening... therefore he deserved everything he got... he is LUCKY that it was not a realy cop, or else he would have been shot...

if i was in that crowd i would have stepped in loooooong before the bystanders did... it would have been lights out for that dude

Oh, a tough guy. Just what the world needs.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

you have got to be kidding me?.... and second he got sprayed again while standing there wiping his eyes because the security guard was telling him to get on the ground and he was not listening... therefore he deserved everything he got... he is LUCKY that it was not a realy cop, or else he would have been shot...

if i was in that crowd i would have stepped in loooooong before the bystanders did... it would have been lights out for that dude

If I was kidding...I would have said..."an elephant, a hippopotamus and bob iger walk into a bar..."

Oh nevermind.
But seriously...the toughie routine is a little laughable.

I'm poking fun at Disney cops...cause it's easy and accurate.
I'm not sure how effective "more" pepper spray would be. I believe once is in your eyes...that's about all you can do.

Besides...the key flaw in your theory is you seem to look at the obvious fake cop as a cop...

Get on the ground? Are you kidding?

Good thing they don't have guns?
Good thing for the Anaheim ER...they be digging alot of bullets outta feet and fannies.

 

[Mouse14]

Listen it's not a "tough guy routine" it's being a normal person helping a old man about to get beat up by a drunk and disorderly guest... Secondly it does not matter what the guy is, mall cop, rentacop, Mickey mouse security... He is the "authority" in that park at that moment. So you listen to him. As far as the pepper spray it was definitely expired, so there for to avoid getting punched AGAIN he had to continue the pepper spray... Are you saying you would just let the guy come after you some more?


I guess it's just me being a fireman that I'm not AFRAID to step in to help ANYONE that needs it

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Listen it's not a "tough guy routine" it's being a normal person helping a old man about to get beat up by a drunk and disorderly guest... Secondly it does not matter what the guy is, mall cop, rentacop, Mickey mouse security... He is the "authority" in that park at that moment. So you listen to him. As far as the pepper spray it was definitely expired, so there for to avoid getting punched AGAIN he had to continue the pepper spray... Are you saying you would just let the guy come after you some more?


I guess it's just me being a fireman that I'm not AFRAID to step in to help ANYONE that needs it

I think you are reading too much into it. I have no problem with the pepper spray or the others who came to assist. That is what had to be done in the situation. I think that perhaps the pepper spray was employed a tad too long...but i can't say that the guy didn't completely deserve it.

It's the whole disney security thing...what a complete joke. Panama there didn't look like he could subdue my 2 year old daughter (however...to be fair..she is cunning and agile with cat-like reflexes).

It's all a joke...and when they try to act like Mall Cop is when things that really cause injury happen. Because they are basically no different than the guy that sells you coke or loads you on Space Mountain. Disney views all staff as interchangeable and must be got for bottom dollar. This is NOT a stretch...they have been boiler plating the staff and reducing compensation for about 20 years. "security" is no different...as i know from my tour at the magical world.

But back to some of the statements...submission? guns? that's just nuts. Disney security has been involved in more than a few incidents where they went all lethal weapon and caused serious injuries or deaths. They have been documented in some books as well...because they are quietly buried in the local papers.

One of the more famous ones was in WDW about 20 years ago, when a gung-ho chased two local teenagers from the contemporary at night and proceeded to engage in a high speed chase down world drive in the disney van...leading to an accident that killed one of the two "suspects".

It's a show...maybe a necessary one...but still a show. I don't want anyone in the cutesy mickey policeman outfits taking any chances...to be honest. Call the sheriff and just try to stay out of it. They are poorly trained, and poorly equipped...and when push came to shove...it showed.

Thankfully, incidents of violence at disney properties is low...probably because its too expensive for those that would engage in most cases (don't frown...this is disney and economics are always an issue...whether we can acknowledge it in a civil manner or not). So I don't worry about safety. As demonstrated in the video...the citizens arrest would take care of most issues with no problems...and i guarantee that i would jump right in.

But the "bag checks" that have no hope of detecting anything (as obvious if you watch what goes on for about 4 seconds as guys in mickey gloves BS with everyone as the strollers roll through) and policeman hats scare me...i don't think they would be doing either their employees or their customers a service by encouraging Goofy Rambos (pun intended)

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

Listen it's not a "tough guy routine" it's being a normal person helping a old man about to get beat up by a drunk and disorderly guest... Secondly it does not matter what the guy is, mall cop, rentacop, Mickey mouse security... He is the "authority" in that park at that moment. So you listen to him. As far as the pepper spray it was definitely expired, so there for to avoid getting punched AGAIN he had to continue the pepper spray... Are you saying you would just let the guy come after you some more?


I guess it's just me being a fireman that I'm not AFRAID to step in to help ANYONE that needs it

I just don't like blanket statements of bravado. It propigates myths. That being said, your profession of firefighter, is one of the noblest and heroic of professions.

I too would always intervene when I see a wrong. I'm not afraid either and I'm just a lowly landscaper. It's just that I, generally speaking, don't want to talk about it.

 

[MolonLabe]

The security CM just needed back up to accomplish this. That’s why I’m surprised by this slow response after seeing their security swoop in in no time on an earlier occasion?

What was discussed in the other thread was that:

"Disney security was already deployed to 2 different paramedic medical events, thus the slow response by, initially, only one security CM."

The other thread is about 20 pages, but there is some good info on it.