Fastpass policy change?

[cudworth]

I was just wondering. Why would Disney enforce this rule? What's really the point of FastPass? I mean what does Disney hope to achieve with the system? They are trying to create a way for a few people to avoid waiting in long lines. But do they really care if it is spread out evenly throughout the day? I don't think so. What they really want is for those people to spend more time buying food and souvies. I think they would RATHER have someone use a fastpass later than not at all. Every fastpass that doesn't get used is potentially someone who gets into the standby line - "I really, really wanted to ride Soarin' and I'm not leaving until I do." That just defeated their financial benefit for giving out that fastpass in the first place.

This is the best answer yet. Canadian guy I agree 100% with you as well.

 

[Jalva22]

I was just wondering. Why would Disney enforce this rule? What's really the point of FastPass? I mean what does Disney hope to achieve with the system? They are trying to create a way for a few people to avoid waiting in long lines. But do they really care if it is spread out evenly throughout the day? I don't think so. What they really want is for those people to spend more time buying food and souvies. I think they would RATHER have someone use a fastpass later than not at all. Every fastpass that doesn't get used is potentially someone who gets into the standby line - "I really, really wanted to ride Soarin' and I'm not leaving until I do." That just defeated their financial benefit for giving out that fastpass in the first place.

Very true.

The bottom line is this: If this is a real problem, Disney will take action. I'm not expecting any action to be taken though because I don't believe it is a real problem.

 

[kirbsam]

i do not see anybody getting all bent out of shape. the ones that think rules are meant to be followed are just saying that. they are not judging the ones that choose not to follow the rules. nobody is dictating anybodys vacation. there are two camps that i can see. those that expect all to follow the rules, and those that find a loophole and use it to their advantage. no need to get defensive because someone does not agree that you should be doing it. just two different mind sets. and in the grand scheme of things it really makes no difference to me. i choose to follow the rules. whether they are minor rules or major rules. i dont condemn those that dont. i dont think i am holier than thou. i dont think all others are heathens. i just think a rule is a rule. and they are there for a reason. i may not understand why, and i may not agree with it, but when i am a guest, even a well paying guest, i follow the rules of my host. now about those resort mugs...

 

[tnmomof4]

Geeze, my family must be stupid. We never thought to use a Fast Pass after it had expired. We just figured it was our fault, our loss, and went on with our day. It amazes me that people actually do that as a way to tour the parks.

Same with us. I have quite a few old FPs from where we got them and didn't use them because I never knew you could use if after it expired. I never even tried to use one after it expired because I just figured it expired. I guess we helped in those math equations factoring in those that never use them. We didn't just forget about our FPs though. Just thought they couldn't be used.

I have read a few places where people go in the morning and get as many FPs as they can and then use them later in the day or evening when the park is the busiest. That is their advice.

 

[Robo]

i just think a rule is a rule.

Indeed.

But nobody is advocating breaking any rules.

Disney policy is to accept FP past the window times, except when the lines are clogged.

 

[kaytieeldr]

And the arguement about choosing not to get a FP because you have ADR's is not valid in my opinion. ADR's are a constant that you have set at least 180 days in advance, FP return times are not.

Well, since you brought up the comparison,,, a FastPass IS a 'reservation' for a ride or attraction. No, you don't obtain the reservation six months in advance, but this is actually how Disney describes it. Would you make a reservation for dinner at 5, then show up at 8:30 and expect to be seated? Then, simply because you get the FastPass while you're in the park instead of six months before you arrive really doesn't make it any different.

Wow! Is all I can say, just wow!
I am planning our first Disney trip right now & Had no clue

I am genuinely impressed. You haven't even been to Disney World yet, but you already understand exactly how FastPass was designed to work!

The bottom line is this: If this is a real problem, Disney will take action. I'm not expecting any action to be taken though because I don't believe it is a real problem.

I would like to refer the several posters who have expressed similar opinions in this thread, back to the original post http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1741740

Just returned tonight from a week at Disney . We used fastpasses as we usually have...get one, move on to the next ride, come back when we can...which is sometimes within the return time and often beyond the return time. However, this time, on Thursday when we showed up at Big Thunder 30 minutes past our return time the CM said "Just so you know...you're a little late on your return time...starting in July they're going to hold you strictly to that time...just wanted you to know".

Now, we're all aware that CMs sometimes give incorrect information - so we won't know if what bkaz was told is true until we get closer to the time indicated by the CM.

 

[Jalva22]

I would like to refer the several posters who have expressed similar opinions in this thread, back to the original post http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1741740

I guess I don't get what you're referring to. That 2 CM's told him a policy change is coming? If there's one thing I've learned on these boards, it's that CM's give out erroneous information all the time, particularly when speaking of possible future changes (just as you said).

So I stand by my statement that Disney will act if there is a real problem. And I also stand by my opinion that no action will indeed be taken because I believe no real problem exists. I know the OP said he wasn't asking for a debate over the rights/wrongs of late FP usage, and I didn't enter into that debate. I was strictly speaking as to my belief that the OP was given erroneous information by the 2 CM's.

 

[2infinityandbeyond]

Actually the only people "dictating other people's vacations" are the ones who create wait times longer than should be by saving their fast-passes for peak times.

Yes, when many people save their fast passes to use them at peak times, the ACTUAL wait time for the standby line will be longer than what is posted on the entry to the ride. *THIS* could cause people to wet their pants, miss their ADR's etc....all beyond their own control.

people get *GET* the fast passes CAN control whether their bathroom times and ADR's. When you purposely disregard the wait it's supposed to be done so that you can "enjoy your vacation", you are actually negatively affecting other people's vacation.

And that...is selfish
(and un-disney like)
(and immoral)
(and pathetic)

All of this coming from a guy who, on another site last week wrote:

So I see daily routine as being:
Morning --- do fun and liesurely activities...pick up FPs when convinent....get on rides with short lines
Evening --- more ride-heavy since I'll have the FP

He who lives in a glass house...

 

[kaytieeldr]

i just think a rule is a rule.

... but a good cigar is a smoke

 

[darlak]

Man, you guys are anal! CM's have told us (upon obtaining fast pass) that it's fine to use the fastpass after the time frame expires. There are exceptions...Soarin' being one of them. The abuse I've heard about was people who have been trying to use a fastpass from a different day or park...meaning someone truly was trying to cheat the system. That being said, I will certainly honor what the CM's request.

I'll leave the fray now and return to my happier musings. Flame away!

What is the exact cut-off timeframe when it goes from being "what the CM's request" to "truly was trying to cheat the system"?

Not tying to be a smart-aleck (although judging from previous warnings, it would seem I don't really have to try!), but I'm really curious about when this elusive time expires and the offense suddenly becomes wrong. Is anytime on the same date the FassPass was issued acceptable?

 

[Willow25]

While I will be happy for DW to enforce the fastpass return times I don't really see why people are getting so worked up about it all. If Disney is not enforcing the policy then there is nothing you can do if people go around it. I would imagine that if Disney was getting enough complaints about it they would change their management of the policy.

 

[Robo]

While I will be happy for DW to enforce the fastpass return times I don't really see why people are getting so worked up about it all. If Disney is not enforcing the policy then there is nothing you can do if people go around it. I would imagine that if Disney was getting enough complaints about it they would change their management of the policy.

There ya go.








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[CanadianGuy]

... I don't really see why people are getting so worked up about it all. If Disney is not enforcing the policy then there is nothing you can do if people go around it. I would imagine that if Disney was getting enough complaints about it they would change their management of the policy.

Eight pages of posts and Willow25 cuts it down to three sentences.

Mad skillz Willow!!!

 

[BabyPiglet]

Originally Posted by Willow25
While I will be happy for DW to enforce the fastpass return times I don't really see why people are getting so worked up about it all. If Disney is not enforcing the policy then there is nothing you can do if people go around it. I would imagine that if Disney was getting enough complaints about it they would change their management of the policy.

 

[bicker]

I think that misses the boat a bit. When it comes to unpublicized lack of enforcement, it is the abusers who benefit and the honorable folks who end up paying the price. There is an inherant injustice being discussed here.

 

[MichelleVW]

I think that misses the boat a bit. When it comes to unpublicized lack of enforcement, it is the abusers who benefit and the honorable folks who end up paying the price. There is an inherant injustice being discussed here.

If it is unenforced that means it doesn't matter if you use them late....

 

[bicker]

If it is unenforced that means it doesn't matter if you use them late....

My point is that it does. For example, if you take the last cup of coffee from the carafe at work, you're supposed to make a new pot. There is no enforcement. It is simply a matter of consideration and honor that makes folks comply. The vast majority of the fabric of a civilization is built on voluntary compliance with not just laws, but also norms and customs. Enforcement is not a criteria for determining validity, nor should be a necessary feature to get folks to comply.

 

[Pixeldust Fairy]

Its amazing to me that this thread has gone this far. For those who firmly agree that using a FP after the time given is breaking the rule and ruining it for you who 'strictly' follows the rules. Then you are spending way too much time on your vacation worrying about what everyone else is doing than your own enjoyment of it.

And for those of you who use your FP's how you see fit, enjoy your vacation how ever you choose to. If a CM tells you, you cant use yout FP because its past your alloted time... throw your self on the floor and start kicking and screaming like a 2 year old. LOL


Im outta here!

 

[BabyPiglet]

Pixeldust Fairy, YES YES YES! Perfectly said.

I honestly don't get where people find the time to notice other people. I was mostly oblivious to my fellow vacation go-ers on my last trip. I never even noticed a child meltdown.

 

[CanadianGuy]

And this thread has officially gone circular .. and it's strictly a rumor at this point.. not even with enough steam behind it to be reported by Jim Hill.

While it *may* be true .. we simply don't know yet and fighting about it on the internet isn't going to change anything.

Thanks,

Knox