Fast Pass to become "Pay for Play"?

[thrillriderbb]

I agree, what about passholders and cast members who get entry into the parks? What for them will happen to the fastpass system? I don't think it's a fair thing for Disney to do this just because someone is paying extra for a resort and can afford better things in life that Disney should discriminate against others. I highly doubt they would do such a thing anywayz because they don't want the negative hype. Annual passholders and cast members get unlimited entry and don't wanna get the brunt end of the deal just because either we spent all of our money on the pass or work for the mouse and can't afford to even stay at a value resort in the first place. This is just my opinion of the whole thing.

 

[Minklady]

The thought of all this uproar over speculation is ridiculous! That being said, I'd like to throw an opinion out there that I'm sure many have, but don't want to get flamed for....

Should Disney ever change the fast pass system, I will fully support it, especially if it allows more fast passes to deluxe (especially concierge) guests.

I have only once stayed at a value resort and will never again return. In my many visits to WDW, I've spoken with many other concierge guests and many of us agree that a majority of people that we've encountered at the value resorts are loud, obnoxious and rather unsavory and the less time that I have to spend in line with those people, the better.

Those types are very evident in the parks (like the families that take their homemade sandwich lunches into the parks.....How embarrasing!)

We pay a substantial amount of money for concierge because we enjoy and expect preferential treatment.

 

[MiaSRN62]

I have only once stayed at a value resort and will never again return. In my many visits to WDW, I've spoken with many other concierge guests and many of us agree that a majority of people that we've encountered at the value resorts are loud, obnoxious and rather unsavory and the less time that I have to spend in line with those people, the better.

Wow Minklady. Sorry to say, but you waited until now to present the DIS boards with this lovely first post of yours ? As someone who has no problem staying at a Value or moderate, your words sound pretty darn prejudiced and elitist
Not sure I can extend a real warm "welcome" to you at this time & I hope not to spend too much time standing in line in the parks next to you either, thank u very much.

 

[jarestel]

The thought of all this uproar over speculation is ridiculous! That being said, I'd like to throw an opinion out there that I'm sure many have, but don't want to get flamed for....

Should Disney ever change the fast pass system, I will fully support it, especially if it allows more fast passes to deluxe (especially concierge) guests.

I have only once stayed at a value resort and will never again return. In my many visits to WDW, I've spoken with many other concierge guests and many of us agree that a majority of people that we've encountered at the value resorts are loud, obnoxious and rather unsavory and the less time that I have to spend in line with those people, the better.

Those types are very evident in the parks (like the families that take their homemade sandwich lunches into the parks.....How embarrasing!)

We pay a substantial amount of money for concierge because we enjoy and expect preferential treatment.

No flames here, but looking at an issue purely from the viewpoint of "how will it benefit me, or not benefit me" may not be the best way to evaluate things. Just a suggestion, not a flame.

 

[Minklady]

No offense taken.....

I surely understand why people staying in resort catagories other than deluxe could get upset, but with all resorts, both Disney & other, it goes back to "you get what you pay for".

When I speak of those unsavory guests at the value resorts, I'm speaking of foreign tour groups, masses of teenagers (very loud & foul-mouthed), families who let their children run wild and left totally ignored and those who are obviously on a beer budget & expect much much more.

I have no doubt that there are many people who stay at the value resorts and are perfectly acceptable people. I'm just saying that many of the value guests that I've encountered have been like those I've listed above.

People pay for preferential treatment, so therefore, they are entitled to it.

 

[disneyfan61]

The thought of all this uproar over speculation is ridiculous! That being said, I'd like to throw an opinion out there that I'm sure many have, but don't want to get flamed for....

Should Disney ever change the fast pass system, I will fully support it, especially if it allows more fast passes to deluxe (especially concierge) guests.

I have only once stayed at a value resort and will never again return. In my many visits to WDW, I've spoken with many other concierge guests and many of us agree that a majority of people that we've encountered at the value resorts are loud, obnoxious and rather unsavory and the less time that I have to spend in line with those people, the better.

Those types are very evident in the parks (like the families that take their homemade sandwich lunches into the parks.....How embarrasing!)

We pay a substantial amount of money for concierge because we enjoy and expect preferential treatment.

WOW!!! I am so offended by your comments. Maybe you are just too good than the rest of us. Apparently I am one of those loud obnoxious people since we stay at a "value" resort. Well guess what-we are not loud & obnoxious. My children are 17 & 13 and I feel that for the amount of time you
are in your room that you "deluxe" people are the crazy ones for paying $$$$
for a bed & shower. Not everyone is high & mighty & can afford those outrageous prices. I do not know how many of us you offended but I for one
can tell you-if you feel that way about us "value resort" people-it might be
better if you just stay home from now on. Btw-I'm usually a very nice quite
person but reading your post really hit a nerve & I still can't believe what I read.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Minklady says : Those types are very evident in the parks (like the families that take their homemade sandwich lunches into the parks.....How embarrasing!)

And the family on a strict budget, who really want to give their kids the trip of a lifetime, I suppose you just couldn't possibly understand their situation.......
I thought you might have been a troll, but I suppose, sadly, this is your true way of thinking/feeling.

 

[Minklady]

I'm sorry that you all are so offended, but whether I understand the situations of others or not is not the issue. The issue is fast-passes and whether or not those spending more money should get more. I think that those of us who spend more, should get more.

I do have to add that if people's finances are that tight, is a trip to Disney World the best possible way to spend their money?

 

[Johnfish]

Well I guess I can see a real perk for staying at a value resort. You dont have to put up with people who are so self rightous about their position in life that you feel like scum!!!!

I suggest that next time you keep your assinine comments to yourself!!!

John

 

[Liz]

The thought of all this uproar over speculation is ridiculous! That being said, I'd like to throw an opinion out there that I'm sure many have, but don't want to get flamed for....

Should Disney ever change the fast pass system, I will fully support it, especially if it allows more fast passes to deluxe (especially concierge) guests.

I have only once stayed at a value resort and will never again return. In my many visits to WDW, I've spoken with many other concierge guests and many of us agree that a majority of people that we've encountered at the value resorts are loud, obnoxious and rather unsavory and the less time that I have to spend in line with those people, the better.

Those types are very evident in the parks (like the families that take their homemade sandwich lunches into the parks.....How embarrasing!)

We pay a substantial amount of money for concierge because we enjoy and expect preferential treatment.

I haven't read a post that upset me this much in a long time. I have no desire to stand next to you in line at WDW either (or anywhere else for that matter.) Remember all the money in the world can't buy class and dignity.

PROUD TO STAY AT A VALUE RESORT IN JUST 14 DAYS!!!

 

[Minklady]

Wow Johnfish, there's no need to take things so seriously, I'm certainly not trying to attack the value resort guests who behave properly. I've seen some of those same types of people at deluxe resorts as well, but they seem to be in more abundance at the values. I can't comment on the moderates because I've never stayed at one.

It's funny because I've read this entire thread and it seems that those people who believe the way I do about the fast passes really end up getting attacked (along with DVC members and even AP holders). I'm assuming that's probably the reason why nobody has come out & posted what I have.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Minklady says : seems that those people who believe the way I do about the fast passes really end up getting attacked. I'm assuming that's probably the reason why nobody has come out & posted what I have.

Disagree with your above statement. I don't think anyone would have minded what you had to say about the fact that you feel guests staying in deluxe resorts should have the FP priority perk. Where you stepped over the line for the majority here is stereotyping guests who stay in values as less-than-desirables :

the less time that I have to spend in line with those people, the better.

and

Those types are very evident in the parks (like the families that take their homemade sandwich lunches into the parks.....How embarrasing!)

Then you say

I do have to add that if people's finances are that tight, is a trip to Disney World the best possible way to spend their money?

Not only the wealthy deserve to take their families to WDW. I did say "strict budget" in my post. One can be able to afford to visit WDW even if they have to stick to a budget ya know. I think it's the whole reason Disney offers Value and Moderate resorts---to fit budget types of all kinds. For some the food courts for meals works best vs room service and sit-down restaurants. But I'm thinking a strictly exclusive all deluxe accomodations WDW would work best for your needs---then you wouldn't have to hob-knob with the those others.
So really had you just voiced your opinions about the FP system and left the digs and disparaging comments about the Value guests and sandwich packing families out of it, I think more people would be able to respect your views. For some reason though you felt the need to put-down certain groups of people

 

[lllovell]

I say Troll.

 

[Minklady]

Mia,

Your comments are certainly well taken, but in no way did I mean to offend anyone here. I feel that the majority here on the DIS are decent good-hearted people who go to WDW and know how to behave.

That said, I think that almost everyone here will admit that they get terribly annoyed with the brazilian tour groups who behave terribly, have a little issue with body-odor and regularly cut in front of people in line.

Or how about queueing up for Splash Mountain with the pop warner kids who not only are very foul-mouthed, but also decide to start an ear-splitting cheer.

It's always such a treat to stand in line next to a father, who is screaming at their child who is afraid to go on a ride because they will have wasted all that money.

It's makes for a wonderful day at Disney World when mom & dad let Suzy-Bob do whatever she wants to do, climbing all over the railings etc. etc. etc.....And like I said, you do see the latter group at Deluxe resorts as well.

As far as the sandwich people go, I think that there are many people here, of all income levels who would be totally embarrassed to pull the sandwich stunt. Not only is it against park rules, but it really teaches the children that it's o.k. to break the rules.

I have no doubt in my mind that there are other people on these boards who share my feelings and it's a valid opinion. But it's just that, an opinion.

 

[MiaSRN62]

As far as the sandwich people go, I think that there are many people here, of all income levels who would be totally embarrassed to pull the sandwich stunt. Not only is it against park rules, but it really teaches the children that it's o.k. to break the rules.

Is it against park rules ? I'm not aware of this. We've brought in soft sided coolers with sandwiches ourselves in the past. Mostly when my kids were younger and very picky---would only eat certain things. We had our bags checked/inspected and not one CM ever told me it was against policy. I don't feel we taught our children anything wrong by doing this. Also, drinks and sandwiches are allowed in Disney's water parks for sure because we checked on this. We were told as long as we had no glass and a soft-sided cooler it was fine with them. So, if this is written policy somewhere about having no sandwiches in the parks I'd be interested to see it. Maybe I was given the incorrect information or the CM's didn't realize I wasn't supposed to be bringing in a lunch for my kids ? I guess we could start a whole other debate over this because, as you said, I'm sure there are others that feel like you do. But until someone at Disney tells me this practice is not allowed I'm not losing sleep over it. We've never been led to believe we were doing anything wrong.
And as for rude/obnoxious guests in WDW----you're right. You can find them at any resort from a value all the way up to a deluxe. But the topic of this thread was the hypothetical enactment of a new FP system for onsite guests only. So the mention of not wanting to stand in line next to rude guests (i.e.those who stay at values to paraphrase your statement) and mention of folks bringing in sandwiches really doesn't belong here. I guess it could start a whole new thread debate if one wanted it to

 

[caribear]

I can see Disney rewarding those that stay on property by allowing them to ultimately choose the times for their fastpasses, but I do not think the amount of money you spend should be a factor.

I cannot see Disney doing away with the current fastpass system entirely. What would happen to those that live in the Orlando vacinity and do not need a hotel, Disney or non-Disney? Or those that have timeshares off property or larger families that rent houses? Or those that just choose to stay off property?

I think Disney may institute a new fastpass policy for those staying on Disney property by rewarding them with a more convenient fastpass system, but they will also keep the current fastpass machines for those who are not staying on property, for whatever reason. In this manner, the same amount of fastpasses will be given out...the only difference being that some guests will be able to customize their fastpass times.

Anyway, I guess we will just have to wait and see what Disney is "imagineering" for the pastpass system.

 

[jultomzach]

Wow, did this thread get off topic but gotta add a perspective. This debate so reminds me of conversations that my husband and I frequently have... I am a social worker in an urban,low-income area (child protective services) and my husband works on the Main Line (a Phila. suburb with one of the top 3 highest per capita income in the entire US--we are talking BIG money). When it comes to having the most obnoxious clients/customers, guess who always wins? (And I am most competetive of the two of us!)

 

[tlbwriter]

You guys don't really think this "minklady" person is real, do you?

 

[disneyfanfamily]

As for the fast passes...I guess I feel that if you go to WDW on or off-site, that fast passes should be offered to all. Maybe the on-site could get an extra FP or something, i don't know. Do I think that the higher the price of the resort, the more extra or better FP? No. We are going to POR this year rather than a value (because of having 5 people). I do not think I deserve to have more than someone in a value. In fact I do not think I need better FP service from those who stay off-site. My opinion....

And I do like the value resorts. I love seeing all of the families, the kids, so excited. And sometimes the excitement turns into tired kids. And meltdowns happen to the best of families. But I sure hope that my VERY well behaved kids, that may be having an over excited day, do not get too many glares if they become tired. Kids are kids. If you are a parent, you understand....

38 days and counting!!!

 

[Local_Girl]

I also smell a troll...and it stinketh...