Fast Pass Plus Changes ....

[JimmyV]

By the same token, people have and do suggest that the whole My Magic initiative and the 1-3 billion dollars spent(depends on who you want to believe) was not in the economic interests of Disney but yet Disney proceeded to continue on with the project.

I am not aware of anyone who thinks that Disney undertook this initiative with the belief that it did not make economic sense to do so. People disagree about the net economic impact, both short term and long term. But I have never read a post, a review, a critique or a criticism by someone who suggested that Disney did not believe in this project.

Therefore, people have differing views what makes logical business sense for Disney or what is in Disney's best economic interest.

No. People have differing views on the outcome. Not on the purpose.

What makes sense to you and your models do not automatically project to what Disney is doing in this case with holding back same day FP+s or not.

It doesn't matter what you or I "think". The outcomes have been modeled, and allowing people to pre-book is where the needle points. It has nothing to do with what "makes sense" to me.

Also, using your assumption that Disney does not care about locals or same day visitors cuts against Disney's economic interests. It does not make logical business sense to not care about a portion of your consumer base. You cannot have it both ways.

Ah, but you can. You can lose a $1M from locals and gain $2M from people in Illinois. You lose and you win. As long as you win more, you come out ahead. And Disney knows that people who live in Ocala are not going to stop coming to WDW. They just aren't. Certainly not in large enough numbers to matter.

You cant say that Disney will act in its own economic interests in all case and in another breath say that they do not care about a percentage of their guests. What sense does that make from a business standpoint?

See above. You absolutely can make decisions that negatively impact some people and at the same time benefit yourself. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that every decision has to be made to benefit everyone. No such decision could ever be made in a business world.

 

[PlutoMars]

It makes logical business sense to not care as much about a portion of your customer base. Why would Disney try as hard to please guests who are more likely to return regardless of what Disney does (to a point) than the more rare guests whose likelihood to return or even come in the first place is much more dependant on what Disney is or isn't doing?

What you're saying doesn't make sense. It absolutely can be both ways. Disney's best interest economically may be to put significantly more effort into the less frequent guests. That doesn't mean they don't care if they get other guests or not, it means they don't have to put in the same level of effort to keep them. We don't know, we can only speculate.

Lets look at what JimmyV said:

You're making a huge assumption here that Disney cares about that demographic. Disney cares about FL residents who buy APs. And those folks can pre-book. Disney could not care less about FL residents who do not buy APs and who wake up in the morning and decide to go to a park. Not one bit.

Now JimmyV does not say, Disney does not "care as less".

Therefore, it cuts against business logic and Disney's own economic interests as defined by JimmyV himself to not care "one bit" about a percentage of their guests.

 

[JimmyV]

Lets look at what JimmyV said:



Now JimmyV does not say, Disney does not "care as less".

Therefore, it cuts against business logic and Disney's own economic interests as defined by JimmyV himself to not care "one bit" about a percentage of their guests.

You left out the most important part. The part about locals who do not buy APs. Disney loves FL AP holders. Let's not lump all FL residents together. What percentage of total income do you think Disney derives from people who live within 200 miles of WDW who do not have APs? Do you really think that Disney cares about that percentage? Really?

 

[morethananyonex]

Lets look at what JimmyV said:



Now JimmyV does not say, Disney does not "care as less".

Therefore, it cuts against business logic and Disney's own economic interests as defined by JimmyV himself to not care "one bit" about a percentage of their guests.

No, it doesn't.

They may not, we don't know. It may cost more to "care" in a business sense about locals who buy tickets at the gate than it does to not put effort into that category.

In other words, it may cost Disney more to hold back FP+ for a family who may decide last minute to go to Disney and not book FP until they enter the park. Don't forget, Disney gives them the opportunity to book FP in advance if they choose to. If the FP+ they are holding back causes another family to not come at all, Disney may "not care" about them. That's what was being said, and it doesn't fly in the face of business logic or whatever.

 

[PlutoMars]

Ah, but you can. You can lose a $1M from locals and gain $2M from people in Illinois. You lose and you win. As long as you win more, you come out ahead. And Disney knows that people who live in Ocala are not going to stop coming to WDW. They just aren't. Certainly not in large enough numbers to matter

See above. You absolutely can make decisions that negatively impact some people and at the same time benefit yourself. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that every decision has to be made to benefit everyone. No such decision could ever be made in a business world.

To be clear, you are saying you truly believe that Disney does not care one bit about local Florida residents who visit on a moment's notice? This runs contrary to everything you are suggesting is sound business logic and within Disney's own economic interests.

While I agree that if your theory bears out that it favors one group over another, we part ways in the belief that Disney doesnt care about a percentage of their guest "one bit". And I do agree that a business cannot make decisions that will benefit everyone.

 

[Love Tink]

Also, using your assumption that Disney does not care about locals or same day visitors cuts against Disney's economic interests. It does not make logical business sense to not care about a portion of your consumer base. You cannot have it both ways. You cant say that Disney will act in its own economic interests in all case and in another breath say that they do not care about a percentage of their guests. What sense does that make from a business standpoint?

Of course, as anyone who has actually worked in big business knows, this is completely incorrect. Very often, in business, you cannot effectively serve all masters. You have to make choices about where your marketing efforts will go. I'm sure that Disney Parks, like every other corporation of its size, has a defined customer pyramid. Who is located where on that pyramid - that might be up for debate. But not whether one exists. That's just dumb.

 

[PlutoMars]

You left out the most important part. The part about locals who do not buy APs. Disney loves FL AP holders. Let's not lump all FL residents together. What percentage of total income do you think Disney derives from people who live within 200 miles of WDW who do not have APs? Do you really think that Disney cares about that percentage? Really?

I didnt leave out anything. Your quote is fully intact. It does not change the fact that you are asserting that Disney does not care "one bit" about a percentage of their guests

 

[Love Tink]

I didnt leave out anything. Your quote is fully intact. It does not change the fact that you are asserting that Disney does not care "one bit" about a percentage of their guests

If one is a rational adult - and not a hyper-literal toddler or an adult who just likes to argue for the sake of arguing - one could take "one bit" to mean (in the way most people would use it) "not very much, and not as much as they care about other things."

Parsing people's exact words to look for some tiny phrase that if taken literally is an exaggeration is not a very good way to make yourself seem educated and rational.

 

[PlutoMars]

Of course, as anyone who has actually worked in big business knows, this is completely incorrect. Very often, in business, you cannot effectively serve all masters. You have to make choices about where your marketing efforts will go. I'm sure that Disney Parks, like every other corporation of its size, has a defined customer pyramid. Who is located where on that pyramid - that might be up for debate. But not whether one exists. That's just dumb.

I fully agree but businesses want to maximize profit. It makes zero sense for a company to not "care one bit" about a percentage of its guest using the business principles that JimmyV are using for the basis of his position. true, businesses prioritize and make choices about what guests to market to but that doesnt mean it wants to lose money from guests that are less desirable in their overall matrix

 

[PlutoMars]

If one is a rational adult - and not a hyper-literal toddler or an adult who just likes to argue for the sake of arguing - one could take "one bit" to mean (in the way most people would use it) "not very much, and not as much as they care about other things."

Parsing people's exact words to look for some tiny phrase that if taken literally is an exaggeration is not a very good way to make yourself seem educated and rational.

It is not parsing. It is taking what one says at face value. Am I supposed to naturally infer that JimmyV's use of the phrase "one bit" is suppose to mean something other than a natural reading of it? Now, if JimmyV wants to come and clarify his remark about it then so be it but he has had every chance to do so.

 

[2Tiggies]

Wow! Busy day at work and I log in to see what's happening and I've missed all this in the space of a few hours! This is what happens when work gets in the way

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Wow! Busy day at work and I log in to see what's happening and I've missed all this in the space of a few hours! This is what happens when work gets in the way

 

[JimmyV]

It is not parsing. It is taking what one says at face value. Am I supposed to naturally infer that JimmyV's use of the phrase "one bit" is suppose to mean something other than a natural reading of it? Now, if JimmyV wants to come and clarify his remark about it then so be it but he has had every chance to do so.

I have nothing to clarify. Disney is not going to make business adjustments to mollify local FL residents who choose not to buy APs and therefore cannot obtain FP+ in advance. You can slice and dice those words any way you see fit. Have at it. I have noticed, however, that rather than challenge that premise, you choose instead to engage in hyperbolic linguistics. I do too much of that at work. Won't do it here.

Local Resident #1: I think it stinks that out-of-state visitors and Florida residents with annual passes can make fast pass reservations in advance and I cannot. I am getting shut out of all the good rides.

Local Resident #2: Then why don't you do what I did and get an annual pass? Or book a room at a Disney resort for a night or two?

Now I ask you. Is the fact that Disney is shutting out certain local residents more likely to put money in Disney's pocket through the sale of additional APs and hotel rooms, or take money out of Disney's pocket through the loss of business from people who vow never to return and make good on their promise?

 

[lugnut33]

The up to 40% allotment of FastPasses being held for day guests was before offsite guests had the ability to prebook. If there were any changes (I'm sure there were with the additions of offsite, full Passholder rollout and the rotating FP+,) my leaders either haven't shared this at any of our track talk meetings or weren't informed. If I hear anything, I'll let you know.

Thank you!!

 

[uncfanatik2]

Don't worry about him, Shaden. Besides, he sounds just like a North Carolina fan.

I appreciate the feedback you are giving us during your trip.

I do not know if I should be flattered or disturbed by the fact that you are still obsessed with me. At least you took my XBOX avatar picture out of your signature where you equated me to Voldemort

I still read here from time to time to keep up on FP+ and to get a good laugh and I can assure you that I have zero cause to create aliases.

I know its hard for you to comprehend that anyone that goes against the group think must be me but I can assure you that it is not. As our previous exchanges have indicated, I have no qualms with expressing my opinion.

It is good to know that I am living rent free in your head and you still think of me. That gives me warm fuzzies.

But I hope you do get help for your obsession with me.

I know that you will still continue with your tinfoil conspiracies about me whenever posters dare to challenge the collective on here but rest assured it is clearly not me.

Carry on

 

[Love Tink]

I do not know if I should be flattered or disturbed by the fact that you are still obsessed with me. At least you took my XBOX avatar picture out of your signature where you equated me to Voldemort

I still read here from time to time to keep up on FP+ and to get a good laugh and I can assure you that I have zero cause to create aliases.

I know its hard for you to comprehend that anyone that goes against the group think must be me but I can assure you that it is not. As our previous exchanges have indicated, I have no qualms with expressing my opinion.

It is good to know that I am living rent free in your head and you still think of me. That gives me warm fuzzies.

But I hope you do get help for your obsession with me.

I know that you will still continue with your tinfoil conspiracies about me whenever posters dare to challenge the collective on here but rest assured it is clearly not me.

Carry on

I bet this "person" and PlutoMars are going to agree with each other A LOT.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I do not know if I should be flattered or disturbed by the fact that you are still obsessed with me. At least you took my XBOX avatar picture out of your signature where you equated me to Voldemort

I still read here from time to time to keep up on FP+ and to get a good laugh and I can assure you that I have zero cause to create aliases.

I know its hard for you to comprehend that anyone that goes against the group think must be me but I can assure you that it is not. As our previous exchanges have indicated, I have no qualms with expressing my opinion.

It is good to know that I am living rent free in your head and you still think of me. That gives me warm fuzzies.

But I hope you do get help for your obsession with me.

I know that you will still continue with your tinfoil conspiracies about me whenever posters dare to challenge the collective on here but rest assured it is clearly not me.

Carry on

Hugs and Kisses!!! What are the chances of YOU showing up in this thread, of all threads?? Why didn't you log in with your original username?

 

[practicallyperfect77]

Hugs and Kisses!!! What are the chances of YOU showing up in this thread, of all threads?? Why didn't you log in with your original username?

I was trying to figure out the same.

 

[OtherScott]

I have nothing to clarify. Disney is not going to make business adjustments to mollify local FL residents who choose not to buy APs and therefore cannot obtain FP+ in advance. You can slice and dice those words any way you see fit. Have at it. I have noticed, however, that rather than challenge that premise, you choose instead to engage in hyperbolic linguistics. I do too much of that at work. Won't do it here. Local Resident #1: I think it stinks that out-of-state visitors and Florida residents with annual passes can make fast pass reservations in advance and I cannot. I am getting shut out of all the good rides. Local Resident #2: Then why don't you do what I did and get an annual pass? Or book a room at a Disney resort for a night or two? Now I ask you. Is the fact that Disney is shutting out certain local residents more likely to put money in Disney's pocket through the sale of additional APs and hotel rooms, or take money out of Disney's pocket through the loss of business from people who vow never to return and make good on their promise?

I know Pluto is a sock puppet, but the answer to all of this is "it depends"

Disney cares about last minute locals in direct proportion to the unbooked capacity it has to unload on a given day. Pluto seems to believe a restaurant full of reserved tables is a problem for the restaurant. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, "Nobody goes there anymore...It's too crowded."

 

[PlutoMars]

I know Pluto is a sock puppet, but the answer to all of this is "it depends"

Disney cares about last minute locals in direct proportion to the unbooked capacity it has to unload on a given day. Pluto seems to believe a restaurant full of reserved tables is a problem for the restaurant. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, "Nobody goes there anymore...It's too crowded."

Excuse me? Where do I state anything close to your assertion?

My point was as follows:

1. There is not enough evidence yet to say with a certainty whether or not FP+s are being held back or not
2. I do not agree with the assertion that Disney does not care "one bit" about Florida locals that do not have APs. In part, because they are potential AP holders in the future and it does not match the very business principles that JimmyV is trying to prop up his position with.