Fast Pass Plus Changes ....

[katt789]

Well, that kinda sucks, puts everything spontaneous out of use! Haha!

 

[PlutoMars]

If the info I got today from multiple CMs and Guest relations people was accurate .... then yes, they are no longer holding back FPs for day of use

I would agree of course, "if" it is accurate. But how many times have people reported on the DIS that they have gotten inaccurate info from multiple CMs and Guest relations people and even went so far as to mock others for believing favorable FP+ info that they said CMs told them?

I am just confused when CMs are considered a reliable source of info and when they are not?

 

[Shaden]

~What speaks to me more than anything else is the OP's signature that proudly displays a ticker for yet another fabulous trip to WDW!

I actually don't ... my ticker just appears to have defaulted to next year and I haven't removed it yet ....

 

[Shaden]

I would agree of course, "if" it is accurate. But how many times have people reported on the DIS that they have gotten inaccurate info from multiple CMs and Guest relations people and even went so far as to mock others for believing favorable FP+ info that they said CMs told them?

I am just confused when CMs are considered a reliable source of info and when they are not?

And if you note I said the same in the OP and this is why I went to multiple fp kiosks and asked the same question and got the same responses ... it also matches my experience today which is why I asked in the first place ...

 

[morethananyonex]

I would agree of course, "if" it is accurate. But how many times have people reported on the DIS that they have gotten inaccurate info from multiple CMs and Guest relations people and even went so far as to mock others for believing favorable FP+ info that they said CMs told them? I am just confused when CMs are considered a reliable source of info and when they are not?

I don't know why you're trying to play gotcha here.

Things are taken as fact by all sides of arguments when they back up what they believe to be true. No different than believing a poster when he says 40% of FP+ are held back, or another poster who claims to have inside connections when they post about future changes, or someone reporting months ago CMs revealed the 4th FP.

Something like percentage of FP being held back is never going to be published by Disney, so all we have to go on is speculation and discussion.

 

[PlutoMars]

And if you note I said the same in the OP and this is why I went to multiple fp kiosks and asked the same question and got the same responses ... it also matches my experience today which is why I asked in the first place ...

It is good to see that your criteria to believe them is that it matched your experience and narrative. Thank you for clarification.

Just curious, have multiple CMs been wrong in the past as reported on various issues on the DIS?

 

[mom2rtk]

If this is all true, then I'm glad. So much about this system is random. At the very least, I don't want to miss something planning in advance so that someone who chose not to plan in advance has a shot at it. The whole nonsense about saving some to release later really would drive me nuts.

I just want everyone to be playing by the same rules and have the same opportunities.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

While I agree that it may be speculation, I have always believed that holding FP+s back for day of (after everyone was able to pre-book) held no benefit for Disney and their stated goal for the new FP+ system and could very well make those that played the system Disney wants them to mad. I also believe it will not be something we will ever know 100%.

What benefit is there in locking a family out of an A&E FP+ at 59 to 1 day out to save it for a family that does no pre-planning and wants one the morning of?

 

[PlutoMars]

Something like percentage of FP being held back is never going to be published by Disney, so all we have to go on is speculation and discussion.

I fully agree and it is exactly why that certain posters should not proclaim it as the Gospel truth just because it matches their narrative.

I am sure this discussion would be different if someone came back here and reported something they heard from multiple CMs that directly contradicted their own theories of FP+.

We would be treated to all kinds of algorithms, patents, and other evidence of why these CMs were not only wrong but an example of Disney trying to deceive their guests. Of course, then we would hear about how much better Universal is....but i digress..lol

 

[Suellen]

ITA. People who live locally, come to the parks for a few rides, don't stay onsite, don't do onsite meals, and don't buy sounveniers aren't really who Disney wants to keep happy. FP+ was designed to get guests to spend more. I would guess that the local AP holder is probably the group that not only spends the least, but will likely spend the least no matter how many FP+ experiences you throw at them.

This is garbage. We eat at Disney at least 2-3 times per week.

Downtown Disney is where our movie theater is.

We book rooms just to use the resort and don't even necessarily stay in the room.

Souvenirs you may have us on....but we also bring guests who visit us that buy tickets, food and souvenirs.

We also utilize the least of the resources at the park. My kids/family is unwilling to wait more than 10 minutes for any ride. We often go to the park and grab a dole whip and then see the Tiki Birds and maybe the Country Bear Jamboree.

We are not unusual either. We have many friends and neighbors that use Disney the way we do. Think of the way most people visit their local mall to kill time and that is how we use our Annual Passes.

Unless we are bringing other paying guests with us we don't go spend a day riding all the headliner rides... we JUST go spend money.

I feel like FP+ actually benefits us tremendously as we can prebook three rides back to back in the evening where before we couldn't get FP for anything we wanted when visiting in the evening.

 

[mom2rtk]

I feel like FP+ actually benefits us tremendously as we can prebook three rides back to back in the evening where before we couldn't get FP for anything we wanted when visiting in the evening.

That's correct. FP+ has something for everyone. No need to hold back FPs for day of to make it "more fair".

 

[morethananyonex]

This is garbage. We eat at Disney at least 2-3 times per week. Downtown Disney is where our movie theater is. We book rooms just to use the resort and don't even necessarily stay in the room. Souvenirs you may have us on....but we also bring guests who visit us that buy tickets, food and souvenirs. We also utilize the least of the resources at the park. My kids/family is unwilling to wait more than 10 minutes for any ride. We often go to the park and grab a dole whip and then see the Tiki Birds and maybe the Country Bear Jamboree. We are not unusual either. We have many friends and neighbors that use Disney the way we do. Think of the way most people visit their local mall to kill time and that is how we use our Annual Passes. Unless we are bringing other paying guests with us we don't go spend a day riding all the headliner rides... we JUST go spend money. I feel like FP+ actually benefits us tremendously as we can prebook three rides back to back in the evening where before we couldn't get FP for anything we wanted when visiting in the evening.

Every time you post it makes me want to pack up our belongings and move to Orlando. Living that close sounds so awesome!

 

[OtherScott]

I fully agree and it is exactly why that certain posters should not proclaim it as the Gospel truth just because it matches their narrative.

I am sure this discussion would be different if someone came back here and reported something they heard from multiple CMs that directly contradicted their own theories of FP+.

We would be treated to all kinds of algorithms, patents, and other evidence of why these CMs were not only wrong but an example of Disney trying to deceive their guests. Of course, then we would hear about how much better Universal is....but i digress..lol

Maybe the time to point out the irony of presentng CM/insider info as "gospel" is in a thread where someone presents CM/insider info as gospel.

 

[Shaden]

It is good to see that your criteria to believe them is that it matched your experience and narrative. Thank you for clarification.

Just curious, have multiple CMs been wrong in the past as reported on various issues on the DIS?

I am glad you troll so hard and read so soft.

I have no narrative, but yes the standard scientific method is approach a subject with a hypothesis ... mine was that they were holding FPs back for day of, then test your hypothesis and record the results ... then if possible seek confirmation of your findings from others.

I tried to access the FPs held back for day of first through the app, several times ... then I tried to do so via a kiosk. In both cases this did not seem to indicate FPs were being held back .... though I should note my interim hypothesis was that my app was screwing up, which is why I went to the kiosk.

I then concluded my original hypothesis was incorrect and sought Confirmation of my findings and repeatedly sought confirmation of this information from independent and 'blind' sources ....

But yea ... thanks.

 

[mouseaddicts]

Shaden - THANK YOU for taking time out of your trip to share your discoveries with us!!! This thread, along with your other about the FP+ discoveries, has been VERY insightful - from you and the other posters with their "assumptions"

We are well-seasoned WDW veterans, but (due to life circumstances) we have not been since the implementation of MB & FP+. We are booked for Dec, so I'm desperately trying to do my research & play "catch up" with everyone! (I feel so left behind )

In preparing for our trip, I am also giving guidance to a friend who is taking her 3 children the week before us. It's good to know that she will NEED to book TSM in advance of her trip or her 7yo DS (going for the first time) will be shut out when they arrive "day of". I think, even though I'm an uber-planner, I would feel VERY BAD for her if she had to stand in HS and tell her DS "I'm sorry you can't ride TSM because mommy didn't know I could reserve a spot in line 60 days ago and we can't spend 2 hours in line because we will miss our lunch."

I think THAT is the demographic that stands to lose the MOST by the new changes - the "only once every so often" out-of-state visitor staying onsite, but who is NOT up-to-date on the required pre-planning of WDW. Those of us on here, having this discussion, we are informed. We might not LIKE that we can't get 4th (& more) FP+ on July 4th (when we typically visit), but at least we KNOW in advance... that family in Peoria .... what if they don't KNOW they can book FP+ in advance - or know HOW to book - or they just don't truly understand the IMPORTANCE of it? They're just ..... well ..... I don't know if that word is blocked on here, but y'all know what I mean.

 

[PlutoMars]

I am glad you troll so hard and read so soft.

I read exactly what you wrote. I merely pointed out that you were inclined to believe the CMs because it matched your experience.

Of course, your reading must be "soft" or selective since you didnt answer my questions as to if multiple CMs at Disney have been wrong on particular topics in the past. I guess that makes me a troll now.

I have no narrative

Your history of being a vocal critic on FP+ in the past would indicate otherwise.

But yea...

 

[JimmyV]

Your history of being a vocal critic on FP+ in the past would indicate otherwise.

But yea...

I don't see where being a critic (or supporter) of FP+ has anything to do with this discussion. Holding back, or not holding back FPs is content neutral. OtherScott and I have had several opposing views on the topic, and yet we land on the same square when it comes to this issue. There are people in this thread who have loved FP+ from the start who are in support of the "no hold back" position. And there are people who have criticized FP+ from the start who are in support of the "no hold back" position. The narrative is irrelevant. But the business logic behind the decision is not.

 

[OtherScott]

I merely pointed out that you were inclined to believe the CMs because it matched your experience.

As opposed to?

 

[OtherScott]

Your history of being a vocal critic on FP+ in the past would indicate otherwise. But yea...

Do vocal critics of FP+ share a belief that "holding back" is

a) occurring?

and

b) good/bad?

 

[OtherScott]

I don't see where being a critic (or supporter) of FP+ has anything to do with this discussion. Holding back, or not holding back FPs is content neutral. OtherScott and I have had several opposing views on the topic, and yet we land on the same square when it comes to this issue. There are people in this thread who have loved FP+ from the start who are in support of the "no hold back" position. And there are people who have criticized FP+ from the start who are in support of the "no hold back" position. The narrative is irrelevant. But the business logic behind the decision is not.

Yep.