Fast Pass changing?

[Wishing on a star]

The FP for onsite only may not have been 'official' for very long... But yes, they did do this. I know somebody who happened to be there (onsite) at that time. And, according to her, as I mentioned, it did not go over well... Extreme frustration and anger from off-site paying guests...

Must not have taken Disney too long to figure out who was right on this one!!!

If history proves.... all you self pro-claimed Disney Royalty can just keep on hoping!

 

[biz410]

ROTF LOL!!!!!!! Love the latest humorous posts!!!!!

This is NOT about offering 'perks' to resort guests... The way the crowds and the parks are, this is effectively DENYing a person who paid for a ticket access to what they paid a ticket for.

How is it "getting what they pay for"? The ticket price gets you in.

Staying at a Deluxe, you are paying about 3 times more for accomodations that park entry. Why not offer more value to staying onsite?

It's worth it financially to lose some AP holders if it will entice people to come. I know I'd rather have someone pay me $4,000 for a week than $400 for a year.

 

[basas]

No- more than likely, locals will give up with WDW (who wants to spend $400 a night to stay a a deluxe hotel for a week when they live 40 minutes away?) and go to other places (Universal Orlando, etc.)

 

[MossMan]

Why stop there? We might as well just make Thursday: offsite day, and the rest of the week (Fri-Weds) only for on-site guests.

Good idea basas. Actually, that got me thinking. We could stop this debate right now if Disney would go ahead and designate certain attractions as “Onsite Only”. This list could change from day to day so at to provide some variety. But for the most part attractions like Splash\Space\Thunder Mountains, Test Track, Tower of Terror, everything in Fantasyland, that Rock & Roll coaster and any other ride I like to ride repeatedly would be permanently reserved for onsite guests only. (Since Mission Space makes me a little queasy, I have kindly refrained from adding it to this list.)

Offsite guests would be allowed to watch onsite guests enjoying themselves on these attractions, but they would have to keep their distance.

I also think that offsite guests should be rounded up and escorted out of the parks before Spectromagic, Wishes, Fantasmic and Illuminations begin. I know this last one sounds a little harsh, but I’m not entirely convinced that your typical offsite guest is able to recognize the entertainment value inherent in Disney’s evening shows. So getting your average offsiter out of the parks before these evening shows begin would be doing them a huge favor. They would be far better off heading back to their pathetic offsite accommodations and finding something to watch on the TV.

 

[basas]

How is it "getting what they pay for"? The ticket price gets you in.

Staying at a Deluxe, you are paying about 3 times more for accomodations that park entry. Why not offer more value to staying onsite?

It's worth it financially to lose some AP holders if it will entice people to come. I know I'd rather have someone pay me $4,000 for a week than $400 for a year.

You are paying more for your accomodations and you are receiving more in terms of your hotel. More dining options, larger rooms, more recreation facilities, etc. You are paying the same ammount for your theme park admission as everyone else. You're already getting your benefits for what you paid for your hotel- why do you deserve more than a person who paid the same ammount for park admission?

 

[eeyore0062]

oooh, there would be some mighty irritated people, and since we live to close and visit often, I can't say I wouldn't be one of them. I really can't see it happening!

 

[Chuck S]

I doubt they would do it because they would be taking away something for offsite guests that has been advertised for everyone (see the planning DVD). If they wanted to do it, they should have done it onsite only from the beginning.

I doubt they'll eliminate fastpass for off-site and AP holders. It would make more sense to eliminate or reduce the "Next Fastpass" time interval for resort guests. But the machines would have to read room key dates instead of verifying ticket gate entry as ticket media is not necessarily tied to the room keys.

 

[basas]

Good idea basas. Actually, that got me thinking. We could stop this debate right now if Disney would go ahead and designate certain attractions as “Onsite Only”. This list could change from day to day so at to provide some variety. But for the most part attractions like Splash\Space\Thunder Mountains, Test Track, Tower of Terror, everything in Fantasyland, that Rock & Roll coaster and any other ride I like to ride repeatedly would be permanently reserved for onsite guests only. (Since Mission Space makes me a little queasy, I have kindly refrained from adding it to this list.)

Offsite guests would be allowed to watch onsite guests enjoying themselves on these attractions, but they would have to keep their distance.

I also think that offsite guests should be rounded up and escorted out of the parks before Spectromagic, Wishes, Fantasmic and Illuminations begin. I know this last one sounds a little harsh, but I’m not entirely convinced that your typical offsite guest is able to recognize the entertainment value inherent in Disney’s evening shows. So getting your average offsiter out of the parks before these evening shows begin would be doing them a huge favor. They would be far better off heading back to their pathetic offsite accommodations and finding something to watch on the TV.

Well, to be nice,Disney could rope off a small area in the back of Adventureland (near POTC) with a paper "Offsite guests firework viewing area" sign. That way, they would still be able to be in the park and hear the explosions but would be out of the superior on-site guests as they enjoyed added luxuries on Main Steet.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Biz410, without even trying, you are almost (ALMOST) as funny as MossMan.

Like, YEAH right... I am going to pay hundreds of dollars to 'get in' the Park to stand around and observe the Disney Royal Elite in their pursuit of magic...

Sounds like an AWESOME vacation plan for me and my family!!!!!!

 

[robinb]

I doubt they'll eliminate fastpass for off-site and AP holders. It would make more sense to eliminate or reduce the "Next Fastpass" time interval for resort guests.

They did this in California a couple years ago, but I'm not sure if they are still doing it. I bought passes from AAA which had free parking and virtually unlimited fastpasses. They only restriction was you could only hold one pending FP per attraction. Once that FP was activated, you could get another one for that attraction. I loved it !

 

[biz410]

Biz410, without even trying, you are almost (ALMOST) as funny as MossMan.

Like, YEAH right... I am going to pay hundreds of dollars to 'get in' the Park to stand around and observe the Disney Royal Elite in their pursuit of magic...

Sounds like an AWESOME vacation plan for me and my family!!!!!!

If I am Disney, I have no problem with that.

They would rather have my thousands and accomodate me for a week than your hundreds for a year.

As for "Royal Elite", I guess I know where you stand on Universal's similar program. Do you go there and heckle the resort guests in your free time?
Why not hang out at car dealerships and insult the "kings and queens " who opt for the leather interior.

In case you haven't noticed-
Usually the more you pay, the more you get.

 

[disneycrazzzy]

-We have used the unlimited fast pass perk in California several times. It required us to stay on-site and buy tickets through AAA. It was an awesome, but expensive, perk.

-I imagine if Disney were to implement either the AAA unlimited fastpass or limit fastpasses to onsite guests only, they would then raise their room rates significantly because demand would be so much higher; so those who think the idea is great might want to consider if they still think it is great when their room at All-Star Movies is $200 a night.

I doubt it will ever happen. The AAA perk in CA started with any package bought through AAA for any of the good neighbor hotels OR the 3 on-site hotels. It was then reduced to only stays at the 3 on-site hotels.

I've never stayed on-site at WDW. Someday...

 

[civileng68]

Wow - you must think Universal is the epitome of Evil then - and people who fly first class must be scum by your standards.

This issue has nothing to do with class warfare, or even remotely "classist" thinking.

I mean... maybe we should just open WDW up to everyone. Afterall, you are saying some people spend what small amount they may make for a living to go to WDW. So what then? They are arogant people more fortunate then the masses? And WDW should be open to all regardless of ability to pay? Otherwise it simply isn't fair? You say, "Does everyone else not matter?" So then by your arguments it is simply evil and wrong that anyone should ever be turned away from WDW... I mean, people who can't afford to go to disneyworld are people too aren't they? They "matter too " don't they? But reality is they don't get to go. Those people who can barely afford to go at all...are stinking rich as it is. People who pay for more perks are more rich. Fact of the matter is if you live in this country at all you are more wealthy then 93% of the rest of the entire planet - even if you are on welfare.

The fact that some people make more then others is simply unfair and wrong? I don't think so...


No, the whole issue boils down to one thing - will Disney increase net margins by changing some function of its operations? What will be the impact on topline revenues and what will be the impact on net earnings. It could be they drive down top line revenues but wind up with a higher percentage net. Which would be a positive. Or it could be that it drives up both revenues and net earnings. Or in the end it could decrease net and topline revenues.

Truth of the matter is - whoever is betting on altering the current system is putting their job on the line, and has more kahonas then I do.

Well no I dont think they are Evil, but as a person in management I realize that when you start something and give it to everyone, and then change to only allow certain ones the advantage, those who no longer have it take it personal.

Universal has run theirs that way from the beginning. However, I've used FP every time I've been, so if Disney were to do like Universal they would be taking something away from me.

Like I tell my wife, marketing is not about what is "truthfully" right or wrong but what is "right or wrong" in the consumers eyes. Universal isnt offending anyone because everyone expects it.

If Disney does this, some would take it personal, if not most AP holding locals, and it would cause a negative outcome, regardlesss of whether it's what Disney thinks it should or should not be. The point is, the consumer controls the marketing and therefore this will never happen.

 

[CarolA]

Even though I always stay on site I think this is a BAD idea. And it is one reason I don't want to go to Universal. Staying off site should not make you a second class citizen.

 

[qtwns]

It's a world of laughter
- A world of tears
It's a world of hopes
- And a world of fears
There's so much that we share - That it's time we're aware
It's a small world after all

But I digress...

 

[countingmomma]

Do you think that Disney people start these rumors just to let people like us argue about all the ups and downs? DH says that he thinks US's FOTL will hurt them. I'm not sure that WDW would risk that.

 

[nataliesdaddy]

Well no I dont think they are Evil, but as a person in management I realize that when you start something and give it to everyone, and then change to only allow certain ones the advantage, those who no longer have it take it personal.

Universal has run theirs that way from the beginning. However, I've used FP every time I've been, so if Disney were to do like Universal they would be taking something away from me.

Like I tell my wife, marketing is not about what is "truthfully" right or wrong but what is "right or wrong" in the consumers eyes. Universal isnt offending anyone because everyone expects it..

The universal point is an excellent point... part of selling/business is managing expectations... and if everyone is expecting one thing and getting another...well thats a bad thing

If Disney does this, some would take it personal, if not most AP holding locals, and it would cause a negative outcome, regardlesss of whether it's what Disney thinks it should or should not be. .

Now this point I agree with - it is difficult to empirically discover what the tolerance point is. Could be they so incense people that they lose customers for life. Or maybe not.

The point is, the consumer controls the marketing and therefore this will never happen.

That I wouldn't agree with (as to marketing), or there wouldn't be so many worthless pieces of metal being sold under the auspices of being a NEW CAR, and there would be no 0% financing destroying the resale value of cars.

 

[jdkdorn]

Universal allows onsite guest to have unlimited FP or front of the line passes. I think it would be great to have this benefit. As a DVC member who always stays onsite this would make our trips much more fun. Less lines and less whining. I understand that people staying offsite would be upset by this but(please don't flame me) maybe there should be a benefit to staying onsite. The transportation is used by everyone so that is not really a benefit. I think unlimited FP would be great.

Judy

 

[Sandyincanada]

You can't compare Universal to Disney. There are only 3 hotels at Universal and you pay 250.00 a night for a hotel room. They do not have 55.00 Value or Moderate hotels. If you are offsite, you still have access to Fastpass just not FOTL. A comparison may be if Disney granted FOTL to people staying in their deluxe hotels only.

Anyways, if they brought it in, I would rent a value onsite and stay offsite in a huge condo and I would still be further ahead money wise and have all my space, lol.

 

[MossMan]

I understand that people staying offsite would be upset by this but(please don't flame me) maybe there should be a benefit to staying onsite. The transportation is used by everyone so that is not really a benefit. I think unlimited FP would be great.

Judy

To get serious for a second, I'm understand what jdkdorn is saying and I can't say that I entirely disagree.

Take myself, for instance. I am not a DVC member, nor do I expect to become a DVC member any time soon. Therefor I would be in favor of any perks that would make it easier for me to enjoy myself by making it more difficult for DVC members to enjoy themselves.

For instance, Disney could institute a policy where DVC members would be prohibited from entering the parks for at least an hour after they open to everyone else. This would make the parks less crowded in the mornings and thus make it easier for me and my family to enjoy ourselves.

Please don't flame me for suggesting this. I understand that DVC members might be upset by this. But I can't really be concerned with that since I am not a DVC member myself.