Extending Contracts on Older Resorts

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Probably going to buy either BCV or BWV, and I wondered if (and how) these contracts would get extended if Disney chose to do so? I mean, how much is the PP to extend (such as they did with OKW)? Got a very good verbal approval on a BCV purchase, but before we decided, I need to take this into consideration.
 
The Old Key West extension didn't go very well, so I'm not sure what Disney will do.
 
The Old Key West extension didn't go very well, so I'm not sure what Disney will do.

OK, dumb question--but what would they do then?? Obviously can't sell as a 'new' resort, or command the PP they are now.........so I would think they would offer an extension (esp since both these have undergone, or will undergo refurb). Anyone know the price of the OKW when they offered the extension??
 

That is an AWESOME thread!!! When we get home (we are here now), I plan on taking time to read the entire thing.
 
OK, dumb question--but what would they do then?? Obviously can't sell as a 'new' resort, or command the PP they are now.........so I would think they would offer an extension (esp since both these have undergone, or will undergo refurb). Anyone know the price of the OKW when they offered the extension??

they could definitely end the resort's lease in 2042, refurbish the resort and resell pts as new in 2042/2043.

they could offer an extension as they did with OKW, assuming the legal issues have been addressed, but it would likely be at a ridiculous price. a $25 extension price per pt in 2007 would likely be closer to $50 per pt now. (would you rather spend $50 per pt on BCV pts that you won't get for 25 years or put the money towards a current contract and start getting pts this year?)

here is more reading material if you are curious about the OKW extension:

http://www.disboards.com/threads/dvcs-old-key-west-extension-ordeal.3078317/

http://www.disboards.com/threads/how-did-okw-extension-work.3169504/
 
When we were first offered the OKW extension, it was $15 a point for about three months. Then it went up to $20 a point for about six months. Then it went to $25 a point. Since I had no need to extend (I'll be 92 in 2042) we turned it down. Even so, at $15 a point for all our points (we had 300 OKW points at the time), I could see a lot more things to do with our money long before 2042. Plus, who even knows what it will be like in 2042.
 
OK, dumb question--but what would they do then?? Obviously can't sell as a 'new' resort, or command the PP they are now.........so I would think they would offer an extension (esp since both these have undergone, or will undergo refurb). Anyone know the price of the OKW when they offered the extension??
Remember: Disney owns the land. DVC holds a 50 year ground lease. They sell you the improvements - the building. So, when 2042 comes around, Disney gets a new hotel for free.
 
Probably going to buy either BCV or BWV, and I wondered if (and how) these contracts would get extended if Disney chose to do so? I mean, how much is the PP to extend (such as they did with OKW)? Got a very good verbal approval on a BCV purchase, but before we decided, I need to take this into consideration.
As noted, we don't know if or how. An easy bet it they won't do it similar to OKW but one of the problems is that they would have a problem doing something that was perceived as cheaper but similar without compensating the OKW members. That's not to say they couldn't do so, just it would create issues. I'm torn as to whether they will do it for any resorts or pick and chose. I'd say that VB and possibly HH are an easy no. I'd say the most likely course is a cash extension late in the game, say 5 yrs out and they'll offer OKW the new deal as well. Personally I'd start offering them now as a sales incentive for new retail purchases in lieu of other discounts.
 
My guess is that they will tear down and re-build increasing occupancy and number of units while reducing operating costs.

:earsboy: Bill
 
Personally, I advise against anyone under 55 purchasing any of the 2042 end date resorts. The offered OKW extension was a dud for Disney and it has not offered any extension since. Disney may offer an extension eventually but I doubt it will be soon and it won't be inexpensive. For example, Disney continues to sell those 2042 resorts currently at $155 a point, and that is just for under 27 more years, i.e., about 40% fewer ownership years than the original purchasers got. If the price increases had followed inflation, it would have been only about $94 a point today, and much less if you decreased for fewer ownership years. When BWV went on sale in 1996 it cost about $63 a point. The price has thus increased about 250% since then. At that pace, 20 years from now when a 25 year extension might be offered, it will cost about $385 a point for those extra 25 years.
 
I agree with drusba.

As best I can recall, the resale marketplace has NEVER valued the extra years at anything even close to what Disney charged for it. To me, that's quite telling and says it all!
 
Personally, I advise against anyone under 55 purchasing any of the 2042 end date resorts. The offered OKW extension was a dud for Disney and it has not offered any extension since. Disney may offer an extension eventually but I doubt it will be soon and it won't be inexpensive. For example, Disney continues to sell those 2042 resorts currently at $155 a point, and that is just for under 27 more years, i.e., about 40% fewer ownership years than the original purchasers got. If the price increases had followed inflation, it would have been only about $94 a point today, and much less if you decreased for fewer ownership years. When BWV went on sale in 1996 it cost about $63 a point. The price has thus increased about 250% since then. At that pace, 20 years from now when a 25 year extension might be offered, it will cost about $385 a point for those extra 25 years.
To me it'd come down to price including dues. For OKW I think there is additional risk if they don't offer any additional extension options to include many more owners. But I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 2042 resort even for younger people if the price and other parameters worked out. They actually represent less long term risk in some ways than does DVC after those resorts exit if that's the way things go. A 30 something y/o will be mid to late 50's or 60 by the time 2042 rolls around. There will always be options going forward if Disney and DVC remain a viable option or a given person. I do feel that SSR is the best value to buy in if WDW is the plan but if AKV becomes a fair amount cheaper, and I think it will over time, then they may switch places.
 
I agree with drusba.

As best I can recall, the resale marketplace has NEVER valued the extra years at anything even close to what Disney charged for it. To me, that's quite telling and says it all!
I agree with that point, as I said at the time, the max cost that was reasonable was $8 pp for the extension and that $5 was a more reasonable price still. Even at free, DVD still wins in the long run.
 
Average ownership of a house is around 8 years. Average ownership of a DVC contract is closer to 13 years. Buy based on value. Most contracts will be sold three or four times before they expire.
 
Average ownership of a house is around 8 years. Average ownership of a DVC contract is closer to 13 years. Buy based on value. Most contracts will be sold three or four times before they expire.
Well that's just it. If average ownership is 13 year on a 27 year contract, the new owner today will be trying to sell it with only 14 yrs left.

When you get down to 14 years, that will begin to seriously degrade resell value.

I think we'll know much more regarding Disney's intentions when we see what they do with current VWL owners.
 
I can see VWL being a 25 yr contract.

The other resorts with 2042 dates arent as old as OKW is. they just kept the same end date and those resorts were never 50yr contracts
 
I am wondering what incentive DVD would have to extend any of the current DVC associations? Would they make more money if they just sold them all again? DVD could remodel them completely and sell them as new resorts. Maybe even tear down and start over and ones that need it.
 
I am wondering what incentive DVD would have to extend any of the current DVC associations? Would they make more money if they just sold them all again? DVD could remodel them completely and sell them as new resorts. Maybe even tear down and start over and ones that need it.
One incentive is to cont to make a profit on DVCMC and to control fees as well as potentially to minimize their costs in a transition. For OKW, any any that offer extensions that are optional, they also run the risk of owing those dues. It's unlikely they'll be able to recoup enough on rental to do so. Resales will offer limited options without significant upgrades. IMO a more reasonably done extension is the best option unless they're prepared to doze the areas and start over or at least do major upgrades, renovations.
 
I am wondering what incentive DVD would have to extend any of the current DVC associations? Would they make more money if they just sold them all again? DVD could remodel them completely and sell them as new resorts. Maybe even tear down and start over and ones that need it.
Money now is better than money in 25 years... I read somewhere that an extension could not be offered until the resort was 25 years old. When will that be for WLV? next year?
 



















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