Etiquette

Of course everyone is free to go regardless, but it doesn't change the fact that it is poor etiquette. It doesn't make any difference what the situation is, family issues, health, etc, if those things keep you from having a large wedding, then they should keep you from having a large shower too.

This is what it boils down to me.

There are exceptions (like destination weddings, for one), but generally speaking if you don't think your wedding can be bigger, then I don't see why your shower has to be. It does feel tremendously tacky to ask someone to come shower you with gifts, but hey, you're not important enough to actually come to our wedding.
 
Most people are dating for a while and when the engagement comes around, there is a time period between the engagement and the actual wedding.

Yes, they may both be living at home. However, in the time up to the marriage, shouldn't they be preparing their future "nest"?? Whether it be an apartment or a house, shouldn't they be out purchasing their kitchen items, linens, furniture, cutlery, etc etc etc??? Or do they expect everyone to buy them everything?

Just speaking from my own experience.

My husband and I paid for our wedding, and for our honeymoon. Had it not been the norm to have a shower, we would have paid for the rest as well... as it is, we didn't have a couch for our first year as we saved for that. I taught full time and worked a second job as a waitress during that year and a half we were engaged to help finance the wedding. (On Long Island, a typical wedding reception is 4 hours plus a cocktail hour, with an open bar for the whole time. We ended up with a total of 203 people after a family emergency kept 6 or 8 people away)

So, no, I don't exactly see it as expecting "everyone to buy them everything." It's a custom, at least around here, to throw the bride a shower. Had that not been the custom, we would have had a longer engagement in order to buy the things we needed to set up a household.

A friend (actually, a number of friends, but this one in particular) lost everything in Superstorm Sandy. When I threw my annual Christmas party, I asked everyone to pick up a housewarming gift of some sort for Colleen (who they don't know, but that's aside from the point.) When they asked what she needed, I said "everything." We filled my minivan with gifts, but it was a drop in the bucket. Just think of all the things you've touched since you got up this morning; a new couple has none of that. From the coffee mug to the coffee maker to the kettle to the sugar bowl to the spoon for the sugar to the toaster to the plate to put the toast on, they have none of that.

For someone I love, I'm certainly OK with picking up a toaster or blender or whatever if that $40 or $50 will get them off to a good start. LIkewise, when someone I love has a baby, I'm more than willing to help them with a baby shower gift.

But if you sincerely think that a shower means the couple is freeloading on their family and friends, feel free to decline and not send a gift.
 
Honestly, I'd be jumping for joy that I didn't get a wedding invite and get to celebrate by only spending about $50. :rotfl2:

Getting a wedding invite these days is like getting a huge bill in the mail - especially if the whole family goes. Last year we spent about $1000 for a family wedding out of town - 8 hr drive each way, hotel, gift, new clothes, etc.

Here it's etiquette to give min. $150 per couple (Weddings here include dinners and alcohol). Add in any new clothing or jewellery items you need and it can be a $200 evening.

Yeah, it is kind of tacky, but I also think it's tacky to invite people you aren't really close to to your wedding.
 
Who sent you the shower invitation and who told you you're not invited to the wedding? I'm sure the bride is aware of all that's going on in either case.

If I were only invited to the shower but not to the wedding, I would just send my well wishes and respectfully decline the invitation.

The explanation was given to my SIL who called when they had not received a Wedding Invitation; thinking it must have been lost in the mail. The Mother of the Bride gave the explanation.

The Shower RSVP's were made to the Mother of the Bride.
 

Most people are dating for a while and when the engagement comes around, there is a time period between the engagement and the actual wedding.

Yes, they may both be living at home. However, in the time up to the marriage, shouldn't they be preparing their future "nest"?? Whether it be an apartment or a house, shouldn't they be out purchasing their kitchen items, linens, furniture, cutlery, etc etc etc??? Or do they expect everyone to buy them everything?

Yes, this. To say nothing of the modern notion of registering for gifts; i.e., telling people what to buy them. The previous comments about underemployment and student debt underscore the harsh fact that, if anything, such people need to delay marriage. Maybe it's time to bring back the notion of the "hope chest"...for everybody.

I grew up at the tail end of the era when most young women had such a chest in the "hope" of using the contents therein during her marriage. I myself never had such a chest ("there's no hope for this one!"), but I dang sure had a cheap set of dishes, flatware, pots and pans,sheets and towels, etc. etc. before I moved on my own. And so did most of my friends.
 
Proper etiquette is already out the window. Your hostess has failed. You can go or not, but do resist the urge to give the bride to be a book by Miss Manners as a gift. ;)

It probably isn't the bride's fault. My mother insisted to throw me a wedding shower and handled the invites herself. We had ALREADY gone over that I was having a small wedding, and that we would not be inviting her 4th cousins twice removed.

I show up at my shower, and there is every single 4th cousin twice removed, some of which I have never met.

It gets better.

They start asking me where their wedding invites are; when should they expect them in the mail, what time was the wedding, etc. I just let my mother handle that, as she just thought I would cave and invite everyone.
 
Etiquette is out the window in my family :rotfl2:. I have a cousin who is 17 years younger than me and I haven't seen her in almost 14 years, when she was 9. We are not close. Heck, if my mom hadn't emailed me some pictures of her wedding I probably wouldn't have been able to pick her out of a lineup.
Anyway, I wasn't invited to either the shower or the wedding, however I did mail her a card (to her parents address because I didn't have her address). All I sent was the card as a congrats. My aunt called my mother a few days after the wedding to ask her, to ask me, if I "forgot" to put something in the card. :lmao:
 
Yes, this. To say nothing of the modern notion of registering for gifts; i.e., telling people what to buy them. .

I hate registries!!! And, even more, I hate hearing "Oh!! My towels!!!" when the bride opens a gift. As though these people who took time and money from their day to shower you with gifts were nothing but a gift delivery service.

I still see the purpose behind showers, but there's not excuse for the "bridezilla" type of rudeness that too often accomanies them.
 
I just don't see selfish money grubbing. In general. Showers are nice get togethers and I like buying gifts in celebration.

In the thirty years since I've been an adult I'd say one time it felt like a present rather than a real invite. Lack of etiquette aside. Because etiquette has gone out the window. Or is just changing.
 
Yes, this. To say nothing of the modern notion of registering for gifts; i.e., telling people what to buy them. The previous comments about underemployment and student debt underscore the harsh fact that, if anything, such people need to delay marriage. Maybe it's time to bring back the notion of the "hope chest"...for everybody.

I grew up at the tail end of the era when most young women had such a chest in the "hope" of using the contents therein during her marriage. I myself never had such a chest ("there's no hope for this one!"), but I dang sure had a cheap set of dishes, flatware, pots and pans,sheets and towels, etc. etc. before I moved on my own. And so did most of my friends.

A different perspective.

In my silly 20s I hated the registry. And i went against it, for each wedding, darnit. Some gifts were decent (a BBQ set for a couple that likes to BBQ...never thinking they might already have utensils they LIKED). Others were a good idea, but when the couple divorced, those hand-painted, names-written-on-the-bottom, tea cups were donated. :( Basically it resulted in me having wasted a bit of money that I didn't have, on gifts that probably weren't as appreciated as others might have been.

All those friends married in their early 20s, all had moms to answer the "what do they need?" questions, as tradition has dictated forever.

I met DH in October before I turned 31, and my mom (who disliked weddings) had died in March. So when we got engaged, it were on our own. My dad offered to pay, but had no interest in giving input. His mom despised me and didn't want it to happen (she was just about to send him to her relatives in Korea to find a nice Korean girl to marry...I'm Irish-descent...NOT what she wanted in a daughter in law, even though she herself married a white guy and had kids with him), so refused to help even one little bit. She never even responded to my MOH's shower invitation for me, which hurt me tremendously.

No nice person wants to bother the bride, so my family and friends were at a loss to figure out what we might need. And EVERY SINGLE ONE of my friends INSISTED that I had to create a registry. They were appalled that I refused to put the registry cards into the shower invite. They said that it's so convenient for people to KNOW what people want, and to know where to get it. I did create a registry, because it was demanded of me.

But I cherish the things that came solely from peoples' hearts, too! It didn't bother me a bit to get things that people simply wanted us to have, and didn't need to know what we wanted.


HOpe chest...I really do not know when you grew up, because my mom ('44) and aunt ('42) didn't have those. And still I wonder how a new spouse feels, coming into a situation where the bride is saying "your taste doesn't matter, I've got this covered". That's definitely not my style of happiness.


I hate registries!!! And, even more, I hate hearing "Oh!! My towels!!!" when the bride opens a gift. As though these people who took time and money from their day to shower you with gifts were nothing but a gift delivery service.

Then don't buy from them.

And maybe hear it in a different way. A bride saying "oh, my towels", is EXCITED. Something she has specifically chosen; gone and spent time to pick out...has been purchased for her. She LONGS for those towels, to use them every day! To think of the gift-giver every time she sees them. She has chosen them and then has waited probably months to see any of them, and she is over-the-moon to see them again in person. Isn't that marvelous?

It's how I felt about our silverware. Alas, it discontinued just before our wedding, so two servings worth is all we were given, and all we could get. But I know exactly who got them for us, and every time I touch those settings I think of her. And I probably said "oh look, our silverware!" when I saw them. But I didn't mean anything awful by it; I was just so ecstatic to see them, and to know someone loved us enough to get them for us.


I now feel ashamed of my anti-registry time. Especially because I was so bad at it. I would never have thought of a cauliflower-themed soup tureen. And yet one of my mom's old friends did, gave me a Williams Sonoma soup cookbook along with it (sadly, most of the soups aren't vegetarian, and I'm magnificently horrid at making soups, even from a recipe...I have exactly two that I can do from the Moosewood cookbook, but the rest I've tried are awful), and it was a great and memorable present. I never got anything that great for someone else, and I regret all the gifts I didn't buy from registries, because I wouldn't have wasted my money. (I never once saw that BBQ set I bought...)
 
I love registries for the same reason. There is nothing worse than opening up towels that DON'T match your bathroom. Or a chip and dip set you don't want and have no place to store. Or home decorations that are not you. And that includes getting nothing at all. If you can't buy for a shower off my registry, don't buy me anything. All you are doing is wasting your time and money - not even my time since I take the stuff I don't want and donate it.

As to showers without a wedding invite, it depends on the culture. For some families, small weddings but many showers to "include" everyone are normal. In other families, it is not. If you are offended, just send simple regrets "sorry, we can't make it" - no need for a gift or a card. An invitation to anything unless issued by the Queen (and you are one of her subjects) is not a command (well, its also impolite to turn down at invite to the White House). Nor are you EVER obligated to provide a gift because you got an invite.
 
Personally, I wouldn't attend a shower for someone if they did not intend to send a wedding invitation.

Having said that, I was on the receiving end of a shower chock full of people we were not inviting to our wedding. We didn't have parents paying the bill for a huge wedding, so we kept it small (even our reception venue had a fire code limit of 70 people).

But my MIL was not happy that more of her guest list of people weren't making the invite list. So she decided to have a second bridal shower of just her friends and family. It was very uncomfortably knowing we weren't inviting these people to the wedding.

Funny, older and divorced now I would want nothing more than a justice of the peace or even Vegas... the wedding day seemed so cool way back when, now it just seems like a means to an end (happy end hopefully!!)
 
I, on the other hand, would go and take a gift if I cared about the couple even if I wasn't invited. A gift isn't a gift if it is just a trade off. "I'll give you a present if you invite me". A gift is non conditional in my book.
 
I wouldn't worry about the etiquette and go if you want to or stay home if you don't. I have been invited to showers that I wasn't invited to the wedding,

Me too. I go if I want to go . I decline if I don't care to attend.

Honestly, I'd be jumping for joy that I didn't get a wedding invite and get to celebrate by only spending about $50. :rotfl2:

Getting a wedding invite these days is like getting a huge bill in the mail -


LOL! I know!


I hate registries!!! And, even more, I hate hearing "Oh!! My towels!!!" when the bride opens a gift. As though these people who took time and money from their day to shower you with gifts were nothing but a gift delivery service.

My nephews wife did this for every gift off of her registry. it was painful to hear. :faint:

I have gotten tacky invitations, so a shower invitation and no wedding to match would be completely off of my radar. What really has begin to annoy me are the party invitations that instruct me to bring my favorite dish as well as whatever bottle I want. It is the same family, we are invited to everything. I meant E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. and it is getting pretty darn expensive as their family grows. The latest is a 60th birthday party. I always offer to cook or bake, always bring some kind of liquor and a gift, so these parties that I am not throwing are adding up. U think it would be nice to wait for a guest to offer and not put it on the invitation.
 
Wrong! I had a small wedding, and because of that, I simply skipped having a shower. I'm so sick of my generation ignoring etiquette all together. Also I think it is wrong when the couple is already living together to have a shower. You shouldn't expect people to upgrade all of your stuff. I also hate when I get second and third baby shower invites from friends. With the exception of one friend who had a house fire and lost everything in between children.
 
Wrong! I had a small wedding, and because of that, I simply skipped having a shower. I'm so sick of my generation ignoring etiquette all together. Also I think it is wrong when the couple is already living together to have a shower. You shouldn't expect people to upgrade all of your stuff. I also hate when I get second and third baby shower invites from friends. With the exception of one friend who had a house fire and lost everything in between children.

I totally agree with you. I had a small wedding and didn't do a shower. We didn't even do a wedding gift list because my husband and I had moved in together two months prior to the wedding and had already purchased everything we needed to start our life together. IMHO, to ask a guest to give you a wedding shower gift after you've been living together with your fiance is just insulting. I don't even dignify second or third, etc. baby showers with a card, much less a gift.

The whole point of a wedding shower and baby shower was the old fashioned expectation that you didn't live together before marriage, and as such, the newlyweds wouldn't have anything to start with for their new household. It also goes to follow that pre-birth control days baby showers were given for the same reason, you probably got pregnant within months of getting married. I don't feel I have to respond in the traditional manner to weddings and baby showers if the newlyweds and parents aren't following such traditions, and get particularly annoyed when they already own stuff but want me to just pay for their upgrades.
 
Traditions are allowed to change. I think it is far tackier to not want to celebrate every baby than to have a shower for each.

Just because traditions started for a reason doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to morph into the chance for friends to gather to celebrate.
 
Non-LDS people are not permitted to enter LDS temples, for one example. Also, some Orthodox or extremely conservative Jewish communities prefer that non-Jews do not enter the synagogue sanctuaries. And in some very conservative Roman Catholic churches non-RCs cannot approach the altar, which makes weddings tricky in small spaces (we were told we could not marry in a tiny RC church 18 years ago b/c I am not RC and I would have been saying my vows too close to the altar). Some Hindu temples are restricted to non-Hindus, also.

So, yeah. This kind of thing happens in different ways in different communities. Granted, the OP would likely know if the bride's faith community has this kind of restriction.

That's interesting. Where I'm from the Mormon church leases its temple for high school graduations and events. Maybe they're RLDS and that makes a difference??
 
I hate registries!!! And, even more, I hate hearing "Oh!! My towels!!!" when the bride opens a gift. As though these people who took time and money from their day to shower you with gifts were nothing but a gift delivery service.

I still see the purpose behind showers, but there's not excuse for the "bridezilla" type of rudeness that too often accomanies them.

worse. we gave a towel basket at my friend's shower. in spite of the fact several family members who were elected the day's photographers took pictures with us in it, the only photo i got tagged in on facebook was a picture of our towel basket! people who were not in that circle of friends kept asking why some girl with a basket of towels was tagged as me :rotfl:
 












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