Ethics and large corporations

[declansdad]

Yes, they do put those in writing, but those are lawyered to death during the entire process. They wouldn't be able to hire any of those folks. I am talking about daily work directives.
Although in my own experience, having worked under contract just once in 40 years, I will never ever ever again work under contract.

Where do you get this stuff?

 

[Hikergirl]

My dh works for a very large company. Its amazing he actually gets work done because of all the bureaucracy (i.e the things written down). TVguy I really don't think you know what you are talking about on this subject.

 

[Luvstotravel]

I worked for a Top 50 company. Everything was written down.

 

[Allons-y!]

My dh works for a very large company. Its amazing he actually gets work done because of all the bureaucracy (i.e the things written down). TVguy I really don't think you know what you are talking about on this subject.

I agree. My DH also works for a huge company, with extensive operations in the US as well as around the globe. SOPs, documentation, contracts, performance appraisals, memos, memos, memos, e-mails upon e-mails, the list goes on and on. For someone to say that large companies don't put things in writing is completely laughable and you just can't take them seriously.

 

[tvguy]

There's a difference between large companies/corporations and mismanaged large companies/corporations. It sounds to me you're talking about the latter and not the former.

I can't argue with that.

 

[tvguy]

I agree. My DH also works for a huge company, with extensive operations in the US as well as around the globe. SOPs, documentation, contracts, performance appraisals, memos, memos, memos, e-mails upon e-mails, the list goes on and on. For someone to say that large companies don't put things in writing is completely laughable and you just can't take them seriously.

Certainly not universal, although I work for a national corporation. Sadly, it isn't laughable, it is reality. This is a discussion board where people discuss differences afterall.

 

[Allons-y!]

Certainly not universal, although I work for a national corporation. Sadly, it isn't laughable, it is reality. This is a discussion board where people discuss differences afterall.

But you didn't couch your comments in terms of differences. You made, as you often do, blanket statements. That is what many of us are responding to.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

My dh works for a very large company. Its amazing he actually gets work done because of all the bureaucracy (i.e the things written down). TVguy I really don't think you know what you are talking about on this subject.

My DH calls it FORMAGEDDON.

 

[tvguy]

But you didn't couch your comments in terms of differences. You made, as you often do, blanket statements. That is what many of us are responding to.

I don't think any of us needs to couch our comments. I think it is understood that most posts are at least a little bit personal opinion or experience. THAT is what makes these boards interesting.

 

[tvguy]

My DH calls it FORMAGEDDON.

Yeah, our corporation just changed to an online outside vendor employee review system. The legal training took 8 hours for the managers. The software training took 30 minutes. That's what it has come to because of the fear those evaluations will be used in a wrongful termination.

 

[Allison]

I don't think any of us needs to couch our comments. I think it is understood that most posts are at least a little bit personal opinion or experience. THAT is what makes these boards interesting.

I have to disagree with that. In my opinion, it isn't interesting when someone presents something as fact when it is personal opinion or experience. In some cases it is flat out incorrect information that can be proven to be so.

 

[tvguy]

I have to disagree with that. In my opinion, it isn't interesting when someone presents something as fact when it is personal opinion or experience. In some cases it is flat out incorrect information that can be proven to be so.

Okay, I'll bite, how you can discuss something if everyone is in agreement? These boards are a great learning ground if we compare experiences and opinions. And experiences and opinions can defy facts.

 

[Allison]

I have discussions all the time with people who are in complete agreement about a subject. Do you not do that? It can be quite enjoyable especially while enjoying a nice margarita.

But, I never said people have to be in agreement. Just don't present something as fact that isn't fact and then try to present it as something universally true. Let's take a random example, don't tell people there is a federal overtime law and then present California law as a way to back up your claim.

Let people know what your experience was but don't try to say it is true for all companies, people, situations, etc.

Please know I am not trying to be argumentative but attempting to give you some insight as to why people can take exception to your posts.

Have a good evening.

 

[declansdad]

Okay, I'll bite, how you can discuss something if everyone is in agreement? These boards are a great learning ground if we compare experiences and opinions. And experiences and opinions can defy facts.

Opinions can often defy facts but experiences rarely do.

 

[tvguy]

I have discussions all the time with people who are in complete agreement about a subject. Do you not do that? It can be quite enjoyable especially while enjoying a nice margarita.

But, I never said people have to be in agreement. Just don't present something as fact that isn't fact and then try to present it as something universally true. Let's take a random example, don't tell people there is a federal overtime law and then present California law as a way to back up your claim.

Let people know what your experience was but don't try to say it is true for all companies, people, situations, etc.

Please know I am not trying to be argumentative but attempting to give you some insight as to why people can take exception to your posts.

Have a good evening.

Well, I do have to remember that the written word lacks the vocal tone, and body language that the spoken word does. I cannot control what people read into a post.

 

[sam_gordon]

I don't think any of us needs to couch our comments. I think it is understood that most posts are at least a little bit personal opinion or experience. THAT is what makes these boards interesting.

There's nothing wrong with putting your opinion or experience into a post. You're right. That's what makes the boards interesting. However, you are presenting your opinions and experiences as FACTS. If you would have said "my company doesn't put anything in writing because they're worried about litigation", no one could argue with you. When you say "large companies don't put anything in writing", you're painting with a large brush, and you're incorrect.

 

[tvguy]

There's nothing wrong with putting your opinion or experience into a post. You're right. That's what makes the boards interesting. However, you are presenting your opinions and experiences as FACTS. If you would have said "my company doesn't put anything in writing because they're worried about litigation", no one could argue with you. When you say "large companies don't put anything in writing", you're painting with a large brush, and you're incorrect.

Well, while I was speaking of more than one corporation, i think the SEC has spent a lot of time trying to investigate corporations in recent years and the lack of anything in writing, so I am correct in using a large brush.

 

[wvjules]

No you are not.

 

[sam_gordon]

Well, I do have to remember that the written word lacks the vocal tone, and body language that the spoken word does. I cannot control what people read into a post.

So how did you think people would read the following statements?

That is why so many corporations don't put anything in writing, no paper or electronic trail so there is no evidence that the employee wasn't acting on their own.

Never happen at many place. They put NOTHING in writing or in an e-mail, it is all verbal.

They put NOTHING in writing or in an e-mail, it is all verbal.

You seem pretty emphatic that NOTHING is in writing, then when asked about contracts, you even contradict yourself...

Yes, they do put those in writing,

So even YOUR company puts somethings in writing.

Well, while I was speaking of more than one corporation, i think the SEC has spent a lot of time trying to investigate corporations in recent years and the lack of anything in writing, so I am correct in using a large brush.

Really? You think the companies had NOTHING in writing? There was not one memo, not one email anywhere? Or was it a case of there was nothing in writing regarding what was being investigated? Which do you think is more likely?

 

[Allons-y!]

I don't think any of us needs to couch our comments. I think it is understood that most posts are at least a little bit personal opinion or experience. THAT is what makes these boards interesting.

Again, that is not what you do. You post statements that you claim are universally true, and then when you are called out on those so-called facts, you backtrack and say that it was just your opinion. You claim to be in the TV world, so I would think that you would understand that facts and opinions are not the same.