Essay writing company?

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Hi all,

I've got a bit of a dilemma and wanted to get some more opinions please! Basically, I was helping my niece out with some literature homework yesterday and she happened to mention to me that some of her friends have been using essay writing services (like essay seek http://essayseek.com for those who haven't come across these before) and not actually writing their own essays. I didn't want to overstep my mark and I'm sure a lot has changed since my school days, but what do people think of this kind of service? If she asks me if she can use it, what should I say? Has anyone else come across these sites before?

Thank you so much!
 
I would tell her to do her own homework. What exactly is she learning by hiring an essay writing service? SMH
 
This isn't anything new, the internet has just made it more accessible. Obviously, it's cheating and her friends are cheating and should be reprimanded. You can't just hire someone to do your homework and the fact that she doesn't understand that should be extremely concerning.
 
That's easy. The answer no.
She may need you to explain to her that using an essay "service" is academic cheating.
 

I would tell her to do her own homework. What exactly is she learning by hiring an essay writing service? SMH

That if you have money you can buy your way to the top. And school is supposed to prepare you for the real world, so... :confused3

OP, you can try to discourage your niece by telling her schools consider these services to be cheating, and if she got caught there would be repercussions.
 
Aside from the moral aspect, let her know that teachers are wise to this. When I was in college the teachers started using anti-plagiarism software that scans your paper word for word and compares that to online literature. If it was more than a certain % match, you'd be failed. My husband was taking a class and really did write a paper from scratch but his words (lots of citations) produced like a 70% match so the teacher did make him go back and change some things.

I also agree that schools consider this cheating and depending on the honor code, you can be expelled.
 
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It's plagarism and grounds for disciplinary action in college. Most Universities use software that checks for that and will easily catch it.
 
It is flat out cheating, so no. Some people at my school do offer proofreading services, which I think is marginally more acceptable - some people are bad speller/writers and, as long as they write the essay themselves, having a second person read it doesn't seem as dishonest. Still not crazy about the idea, though. Let's hope they don't have to take an exam or write an in-class essay at the end of the semester, because the results probably won't be pretty :confused3
 
I didn't know that particular site, and wow it looks professional. It's also more affordable than I would've believed; today's high school students seem to have a whole lot more money in their pockets than we did at that age. I do notice that it doesn't even address the major issues that should cross every student's mind: Is this ethical? Am I likely to get caught?

As a teacher, I'll point out a couple things though:

- It doesn't take me long to "get to know" my students' writing, and when something extra-good or extra-bad pops up, I notice. And I question. Some of my writing is done in class. If a student's in-class essays are garbage, while their take-home work is wonderful, I notice. I may not know whether the stuff is being written by a girlfriend or parent (more common than you'd believe) or whether it's purchased, but I'll smell a rat a mile away.

- The plagiarism software that we have today is very good; however, if this site is providing individual essays for each purchaser, then it won't catch the purchased essay -- the software works by storing past essays, so the essay is caught THE SECOND TIME it's submitted. The first person who turns it in won't be caught. Most kids who cheat simply copy something off the internet, and that's what the plagiarism software catches. Moreover, I can catch that myself very easily: When writing seems, um, out of a student's league . . . I go to a paragraph in the middle of the paper (because students are careful in the beginning, but they get lazy) and pick a couple sentences with, um, unlikey language choices . . . and I pop them into google. Voila! Evidence! I'm right more often than I'm wrong.

Going back to the purchased essay concept, of course, the obvious question is, As a purchaser, how do you KNOW the writer didn't already give this essay to someone else? A person who would write for such a site has already proven he has no regard for academic ethics, so why do you think he'd "play fair" with you? You have no way to know whether you're actually the first purchaser or the fiftieth. And if you're not first, the plagiarism software will catch you.

- The big thing kids HATE to write is the research paper, and it's pretty much impossible to use a site like this for a research paper. Why? Because, as an English teacher, I'm going to require X number of note cards by this date, the outline by next week, the introduction by that date, etc. That's hard to fake.

- If her teacher ever catches her using someone else's writing, that teacher will never forget it and will probably say to the next year's teacher, "Keep an eye on so-and-so. I did catch her cheating once." I personally would not write a college recommendation for a student whom I'd caught cheating, and I would explain WHY I didn't feel comfortable with it. This could easily go beyond one little essay grade.

Regardless, your niece probably mentioned it because she's curious about whether you'll approve or disapprove. You have to come down hard on the side of NO, We don't do that in our family. You know that she needs the practice in composing her thoughts on paper.

Finally, though this is very off-topic, I'll throw it in: If your niece needs help with her writing, I suggest you work on organizing her thoughts. That's the #1 reason kids don't write well -- they don't want to stop and plan, they don't want to outline, they just want to throw something on paper, and stream-of-consciousness isn't a good method for writing. Kids who are able to categorize and organize their ideas can almost always write a good paper. The best starting place: Jot down notes. They don't have to be written into a formal outline, but writing them down forces the student to think through what is to be written.
 
Hi all,

I've got a bit of a dilemma and wanted to get some more opinions please! Basically, I was helping my niece out with some literature homework yesterday and she happened to mention to me that some of her friends have been using essay writing services (like essay shark https://essayshark.com for those who haven't come across these before) and not actually writing their own essays. I didn't want to overstep my mark and I'm sure a lot has changed since my school days, but what do people think of this kind of service? If she asks me if she can use it, what should I say? Has anyone else come across these sites before?

Thank you so much!

Have her ask her teacher.
 
I've known about these for awhile and even participate in one as a writer.

They are all over NYC and unless your kid is a genius most struggle in the private school sector. What I do isn't outright writing the paper but maybe embellishing a paper a little bit. A kid writes the assigned admission paper and then I go in and in red write a better way for them to say what they are trying to say.

A little bit of my morals knows it is wrong and cheating but hey I get $100 a paper to fix the work of 5th graders. If they get into a school that they can't keep up with due to my help it isn't my problem when the flunk out. Most of the parents even know their kids aren't going to cut it but it is the prestige of being at one of the top schools in the city that they want. They don't care if the kid gets in and then struggles the entire time.
 
I do not think it is ethical to buy from them or work for them.

(ETA: the post directly above me was not up when I began typing--I was commenting in general, no intentional comment on the above poster was meant)
 
It's plagarism and grounds for disciplinary action in college. Most Universities use software that checks for that and will easily catch it.

Just read an article recently that university admissions offices are noticing a trend among Chinese applicants purchasing their admissions essays. It was discovered because many of them are so blatant and lazy that they were submitted with (insert girl's name here) within the body of the essay.

OP, tell your niece that if she wants to cheat she needs to handle that on her own -- as well as carry the water herself if/when repercussions come her way.
 
Just read an article recently that university admissions offices are noticing a trend among Chinese applicants purchasing their admissions essays. It was discovered because many of them are so blatant and lazy that they were submitted with (insert girl's name here) within the body of the essay.

OP, tell your niece that if she wants to cheat she needs to handle that on her own -- as well as carry the water herself if/when repercussions come her way.
I have had students turn in things just that blatant. For example, I've had students give me essays that switched font or size mid-way through. I've had students turn in essays with references to photos that appear above. I've had students turn in essays that contained hyperlinks to other websites.

Blatant and lazy is right. The average cheater doesn't realize just how easy it is to find these things; however, I have also encountered the above-average cheater. Have I caught all of them? I wouldn't know.
 
Every high school and college I know uses turnitin.com or something similar

For my kids, it's easy: if your name goes on it, it will be your own work.
 
I have had students turn in things just that blatant. For example, I've had students give me essays that switched font or size mid-way through. I've had students turn in essays with references to photos that appear above. I've had students turn in essays that contained hyperlinks to other websites.

Blatant and lazy is right. The average cheater doesn't realize just how easy it is to find these things; however, I have also encountered the above-average cheater. Have I caught all of them? I wouldn't know.

The icing on the cake to the admissions office article I read was some discussion of the fact that the discovery of the purchased admissions essays didn't necessarily result in the application being denied. Universities were reviewing them on a case by case basis because of the fact the foreign students are a financial windfall due to the amount of tuition they pay in. I'd love to see that play out in a lawsuit down the road when Suzie America is booted for plagarism and brings that in as a defense.
 
Aside from the moral aspect, let her know that teachers are wise to this. When I was in college the teachers started using anti-plagiarism software that scans your paper word for word and compares that to online literature. If it was more than a certain % match, you'd be failed. My husband was taking a class and really did write a paper from scratch but his words (lots of citations) produced like a 70% match so the teacher did make him go back and change some things.

I also agree that schools consider this cheating and depending on the honor code, you can be expelled.

I was about to add this, too. My son is studying English in college and ALL of his teachers know about these sites.

When I was a kid I used to write essays for my friends. One person won an award and told the teacher that she didn't write it. Back then TEACHERS came to YOUR HOME and TOLD YOUR PARENTS :worried: :scared:

Closed up my "essay writing shop" forEVER.:blush: Mama was NOT HAPPY.
 
I didn't know that particular site, and wow it looks professional. It's also more affordable than I would've believed; today's high school students seem to have a whole lot more money in their pockets than we did at that age. I do notice that it doesn't even address the major issues that should cross every student's mind: Is this ethical? Am I likely to get caught?

As a teacher, I'll point out a couple things though:

- It doesn't take me long to "get to know" my students' writing, and when something extra-good or extra-bad pops up, I notice. And I question. Some of my writing is done in class. If a student's in-class essays are garbage, while their take-home work is wonderful, I notice. I may not know whether the stuff is being written by a girlfriend or parent (more common than you'd believe) or whether it's purchased, but I'll smell a rat a mile away.

- The plagiarism software that we have today is very good; however, if this site is providing individual essays for each purchaser, then it won't catch the purchased essay -- the software works by storing past essays, so the essay is caught THE SECOND TIME it's submitted. The first person who turns it in won't be caught. Most kids who cheat simply copy something off the internet, and that's what the plagiarism software catches. Moreover, I can catch that myself very easily: When writing seems, um, out of a student's league . . . I go to a paragraph in the middle of the paper (because students are careful in the beginning, but they get lazy) and pick a couple sentences with, um, unlikey language choices . . . and I pop them into google. Voila! Evidence! I'm right more often than I'm wrong.

Going back to the purchased essay concept, of course, the obvious question is, As a purchaser, how do you KNOW the writer didn't already give this essay to someone else? A person who would write for such a site has already proven he has no regard for academic ethics, so why do you think he'd "play fair" with you? You have no way to know whether you're actually the first purchaser or the fiftieth. And if you're not first, the plagiarism software will catch you.

- The big thing kids HATE to write is the research paper, and it's pretty much impossible to use a site like this for a research paper. Why? Because, as an English teacher, I'm going to require X number of note cards by this date, the outline by next week, the introduction by that date, etc. That's hard to fake.

- If her teacher ever catches her using someone else's writing, that teacher will never forget it and will probably say to the next year's teacher, "Keep an eye on so-and-so. I did catch her cheating once." I personally would not write a college recommendation for a student whom I'd caught cheating, and I would explain WHY I didn't feel comfortable with it. This could easily go beyond one little essay grade.

Regardless, your niece probably mentioned it because she's curious about whether you'll approve or disapprove. You have to come down hard on the side of NO, We don't do that in our family. You know that she needs the practice in composing her thoughts on paper.

Finally, though this is very off-topic, I'll throw it in: If your niece needs help with her writing, I suggest you work on organizing her thoughts. That's the #1 reason kids don't write well -- they don't want to stop and plan, they don't want to outline, they just want to throw something on paper, and stream-of-consciousness isn't a good method for writing. Kids who are able to categorize and organize their ideas can almost always write a good paper. The best starting place: Jot down notes. They don't have to be written into a formal outline, but writing them down forces the student to think through what is to be written.

OP, I think you should show this post, in its entirety, to your niece.

Obviously, you have to tell her that it's unethical, and that she absolutely should not do it. And you should also tell her that there's a very high chance that she'll be caught, and that there will be consequences that could follow her for a long time.

But also tell her this. Our actions send a message to people around us. When you cheat in school, whether it's buying a paper, copying someone else's work, or using stolen test answers, the message you're sending is "I'm not smart enough to do it myself." Or worse, "I'm too lazy to do it myself." Is that what she really wants people to think of her? Because people will find out. Does she want to be known at school as that girl who cheated?

Important life lesson: people respect those who try and fail. They don't respect cheaters.
 
Its not right to do and, I would greatly discourage my kids (and let them know I would be disappointed in them) from doing this. However, in my ds high school it is very common. The kids (and parents) have more money than sense. And you know what happens when they get caught? They get a do over. Now in most cases they can't get a 100% but they can get an 80% if their new paper warrants.

This past semester my ds English class had 10 kids that got busted because Turnitin found they were plagiarizing. The teacher had to meet before a disciplinary committee to see what the punishment should be (should there be a question?) and they were going to make the WHOLE class re do the paper just in case they missed anyone cheating. In the end the cheating kids got to redo the paper.

And these are the kids my kid has to compete against for class rank and GPA. Its very frustrating.
 

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