Ear-drum shattering screaming by ToT guests throughout the entire ride.

Nope, I don't think she really knew she hurt me. She was all in her own dramatic world.

Screaming by groups during a ride can damper the experience but the only thing you can do is just ride it again & move on.

Some Disers are working on a new plan. In correlation with LucasFilms, apparently, soon patrons will be able to construct their very own light sabers and duel each other 'till death.

When asked about the project, Disney Corporation CEO Robert A. Iger said, "At first it seemed a bit harsh, but here at Disney we support vigilantes of all kind. After all, if these people don't suffer a consequence from other patrons, this type of behavior will never end."
 
Team Panties in a bunch unite!!!
I heard earlier in this thread that the sarcasm wasn't appreciated.....well I myself don't appreciate how certain folks are over the top uptight!

Everybody just chill out and eat a piece of fruit or something. 
 
Time and place. I don't tolerate it when my children are loud and boisterous in venues where I think they should be quiet and polite. On the other hand, they get to shriek and be complete lunatics on thrill rides that are designed to make people shriek and be complete lunatics. If their boundaries in those situations are a bit different from others on the same ride, I would hope they would have the decency to apologize in between shrieks and lunacy. :)

Sincerely,

Overly-Permissive-Parent

Bottom line is that whereas I teach my children to be generally respectful of the feelings and "personal space" of others, I do not insist that they allow anyone except their parents to define what is acceptable behavior in every situation. If that means they annoy a few people, well, I'm sure that cuts both ways.


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Folks no more.
Learn to respect everyone's view points otherwise these "fun" threads will disappear from TPAS :surfweb:
 

It doesn't. It's unfortunate that an adult can get so bent out of shape that a teenager is being rude and devaluing their experience that the only course of action the adult can some up with is to display the same type of selfish behavior as the person they are chastising.

How hard is it to spot these people in line before you get on the attraction? If there is no line, perfect, you won't mind waiting a bit until they move on.

If you want to avoid irresponsible behavior, avoid teenagers. If you want to deal with it in your own fashion, that's fine too, just understand you can't really complain about distractions if you're doing the same thing. Whether you want to admit it or not, it's really no different.

If you treat a child like a child, they will continue to act like a child. If your experience was that hindered, there are many more ways to approach the situation that could yield much better results.

Explain to a CM that they harmed your ride experience and would really appreciate being able to ride again, without them around. Confront the kids, possibly in front of their parents, and just explaining to them that what they did bothered you, or your kids and explain that they set examples for the younger kids, etc.

By stooping to their level, you're really just replying with a "Well, he did it first" which is just as juvenile as their behavior.

Twenty some years ago I would have written this same response....back when I was majoring in Childhood Develpment/Child Psychology and I tried to tell my mom a "better" way of handling situations with my then 8 year old sister. My mom (who has 2 college degrees) looked at me and said, "Wait until you have kids/teenagers of your own. You'll realize that everything you've read in those textbooks doesn't necessarily apply to reality. Just because it works on paper, doesn't mean it works in real life. Get back to me when *you* have an 8 year old." Needless to say, 25+ years and 5 kids of my own later....she was right (don't tell her I said that. :rotfl:).

While it would be nice to avoid the "bad" teenagers in the lines, it's not always (or even usually) possible. I've been in line with teens who are perfectly normal in line but get on the ride and turn into monsters. Like the group of kids who was behind us in line at Splash Mountain a few years ago. They were well behaved in line -- even talked to our kids while waiting. They ended up 2 boats behind us and were so horrible on the ride that the CM's actually stopped the ride twice while we were on it and gave additional warnings over the speaker at least twice during the ride (the kids kept standing up on the boat -- before the lap bars -- and yelling inappropriate things throughout the ride). The kids got a personal escort out of the park once we exited the ride. Standing in line, we had no idea those kids would behave like that on the ride. While our family tries to avoid the obvious problem groups (kids being loud and unruly before they even get in a line), it's not always possible. We typically travel to Disney in June, so there are A LOT of teenagers/tweens walking around without supervision. We'd never get on attractions if we ruled out getting in line where unaccompanied minors are present.

Most teenagers I've dealt with throughout my life do much better with a firm authoritative response rather than a "let's be friends and calmly talk about why you're behaving the way your are" approach. They're very good at saying what you want to hear and as soon as you're out of sight, they're doing whatever they want to anyway. My kids know that if I raise my voice (actually, I usually only have to give them "the look") they better knock off the inappropriate behavior or there will be consequences. While I'm pretty laid back and mellow -- it would take a lot to get me to yell at teenagers I don't know on a ride/attraction (but I'm thankful that there are adults who *will* do this) -- I still find "fake screaming" to be annoying and inappropriate behavior and not "just the way teenagers are". It's "just the way teenagers are" only because the adults around them allow them to act that way. It takes a village... I work at a non-profit agency and I can tell you that *many* teenagers are good people and have very good hearts. It's a shame that some adults look at a handful of misbehaving teenagers and believe that all teenagers are rude and disrespectful and that we should all just accept and tolerate that behavior because "that's just the way they are".
 
Twenty some years ago I would have written this same response....back when I was majoring in Childhood Develpment/Child Psychology and I tried to tell my mom a "better" way of handling situations with my then 8 year old sister. My mom (who has 2 college degrees) looked at me and said, "Wait until you have kids/teenagers of your own. You'll realize that everything you've read in those textbooks doesn't necessarily apply to reality. Just because it works on paper, doesn't mean it works in real life. Get back to me when *you* have an 8 year old." Needless to say, 25+ years and 5 kids of my own later....she was right (don't tell her I said that. :rotfl:).

The major difference here is "disciplining" your own children and "disciplining" someone elses.

Reactions from a person of non authority that can offer no true consequence are empty are they not?

While it would be nice to avoid the "bad" teenagers in the lines, it's not always (or even usually) possible. I've been in line with teens who are perfectly normal in line but get on the ride and turn into monsters. Like the group of kids who was behind us in line at Splash Mountain a few years ago. They were well behaved in line -- even talked to our kids while waiting. They ended up 2 boats behind us and were so horrible on the ride that the CM's actually stopped the ride twice while we were on it and gave additional warnings over the speaker at least twice during the ride (the kids kept standing up on the boat -- before the lap bars -- and yelling inappropriate things throughout the ride). The kids got a personal escort out of the park once we exited the ride. Standing in line, we had no idea those kids would behave like that on the ride. While our family tries to avoid the obvious problem groups (kids being loud and unruly before they even get in a line), it's not always possible. We typically travel to Disney in June, so there are A LOT of teenagers/tweens walking around without supervision. We'd never get on attractions if we ruled out getting in line where unaccompanied minors are present.

I agree it is not always possible. There are certainly exceptions and I have noted that earlier, but even by your recount of this story, proper action was taken by someone with proper authority and it didn't take you calling them out for it to happen.


Most teenagers I've dealt with throughout my life do much better with a firm authoritative response rather than a "let's be friends and calmly talk about why you're behaving the way your are" approach. They're very good at saying what you want to hear and as soon as you're out of sight, they're doing whatever they want to anyway.

This is where things become much more merky. One one hand you say they will say and do what you want to hear until you are out of sight, but then suggest a more firm approach and response. Why?

You admit it won't stop as soon as you are out of sight, unless that reaction comes from the proper source....their own parent.


My kids know that if I raise my voice (actually, I usually only have to give them "the look") they better knock off the inappropriate behavior or there will be consequences. While I'm pretty laid back and mellow -- it would take a lot to get me to yell at teenagers I don't know on a ride/attraction (but I'm thankful that there are adults who *will* do this) -- I still find "fake screaming" to be annoying and inappropriate behavior and not "just the way teenagers are". It's "just the way teenagers are" only because the adults around them allow them to act that way. It takes a village... I work at a non-profit agency and I can tell you that *many* teenagers are good people and have very good hearts. It's a shame that some adults look at a handful of misbehaving teenagers and believe that all teenagers are rude and disrespectful and that we should all just accept and tolerate that behavior because "that's just the way they are".

I agree the behavior is rude and inappropriate, and to a degree, I agree it takes a village. Because of that, your reaction effects not only the those you chastise, but the others near you. The kids you might be with, or see you and learn that aggressive reactions to those whom display behavior you consider rude is fine because your intentions are good.

The way you raise your kids is one thing and I 100% agree if they act out of line, immediate discipline is a good thing, but when they're not your kids, if your ultimate goal is prevention of this happening again, there are more effective ways to get the result you desire. And I would be willing to bet if you ask anyone with Disney security, they would agree. Short of immediate physical harm to someone, property, theft, etc., let the proper authorities handle unruly patrons. Whether that means a parent, cast member or both.

You admit, they're only going to continue what they're doing as soon as you are out of sight.
 
How did the the productive youth of america survive and prosper without you to protect them from unruly teenagers?

Probably because there's thousands of high school teachers around the country working hard at the same thing, helping unruly teens understand that their bad behavior is inappropriate and won't be tolerated...

If no one tells them (politely and calmly) that their behavior is unacceptable because it is disturbing others, how will they learn?
 
No, first I am saying try to avoid them. Rude and rowdy teenagers usually don't flip a switch as soon as they get on a ride. This type of behavior is usually pretty evident in line. They will usually be parentless and in a group. Very easy to let a few groups ahead of you. If it is not teens you are concerned with, again, their behavior in line often will give you tips that they may be rude.

After that, yes, if you are with small kids I think it is best to ignore them. Problem resolution works best and if your goal is to reprimand someone elses kids, go ahead...mission accomplished. If your goal is to have the best experience possible for you and your guests, ask to ride again and possibly inform a CM of the rude behavior.

Ignoring someone isn't counterproductive at all. What is counterproductive is getting mad at someone who yells and responding by yelling at them, again, unless your goal is to just get mad and yell at people.

If you have a child with you, choosing and encouraging a confrontation is never a good idea.


So according to you, I need to spend my park time letting people ahead of me in line and re-riding rides in order to allow a bunch of obnoxious jerks to continue being obnoxious jerks? Really?

Cheer25mom did exactly the right thing. She let some people who were acting up know that their bad behavior reflected poorly on them and would not be tolerated, she improved the ride experience for everyone there, and most importantly, she stopped the terrorizing of a small child.

How can you possibly think it is better for a child to be traumatized than to speak up? Taking this point to extremes, it would mean that one wouldn't interfere if one saw an adult attacking a child; one would just just trundle along and inform the police afterwards.

Nipping bad behavior in the bud - simply, and non-violently - is far better than allowing everyone, yourself included, to be inconvenienced and annoyed by it. If cheer25mom had engaged in a shouting match, then yes, that would have been just as obnoxious. But how you can equate one sentence spoken by one person (which, incidentally, solved the problem) with five minutes worth of screams by three or four people is beyond me.
 
But how you can equate one sentence spoken by one person (which, incidentally, solved the problem) with five minutes worth of screams by three or four people is beyond me.

I guess the same way you can equate an obnoxious teenager screaming on a ride with an adult injuring a child.
 
You win. You are a knight in shining armor to theme park goers everywhere.

How did the the productive youth of america survive and prosper without you to protect them from unruly teenagers?

This is just plain rude and unnecessary.

 
Probably because there's thousands of high school teachers around the country working hard at the same thing, helping unruly teens understand that their bad behavior is inappropriate and won't be tolerated...

If no one tells them (politely and calmly) that their behavior is unacceptable because it is disturbing others, how will they learn?
Again, they're teachers in a position of authority and it is their responsibility to help discipline and steer youth in a productive responsible direction. Same with parents, employees at a theme park or movie theater, etc etc etc.

So according to you, I need to spend my park time letting people ahead of me in line and re-riding rides in order to allow a bunch of obnoxious jerks to continue being obnoxious jerks? Really?

Is that really all you have taken from what I have said or are you just trying to prove a point?

I'll reiterate, if you are in line and would like to avoid an obnoxious group, be aware of the groups around you and if you see signs in their behavior, you can easily let some people go between you. You aren't always tipped to rude and selfish behavior, but if you are prone to really be bothered by it, you should accept more responsibility to be aware of it (like and allergy for example). If no signs were presented before everyone is loaded and your experience is ruined, you could probably ride again simply by asking.

A few people here have given stories of unruly teens being dismissed from attractions when their behavior has gotten out of hand, but if you feel that their actions have crossed a line, telling a CM will have a better long term effect that lashing out towards them. If someone needs comfort, comfort them.

I mean, how many times does something like this happen to you? In a weeks vacation, in the middle of the summer, you might encounter a couple groups that you have reservations about. Adding a few minutes to your wait for a little piece of mind might be worth it. If you've done al you feel you can do and still interact them, I'm sure the staff wt WDW will be willing to work with you.


How can you possibly think it is better for a child to be traumatized than to speak up? Taking this point to extremes, it would mean that one wouldn't interfere if one saw an adult attacking a child; one would just just trundle along and inform the police afterwards.

There are ways to stop a child from being traumatized without verbally responding to the group..thats the point. There are ways to comfort them, etc., but this is more than about one specific instance. It is more speaking in general on how to respond when guests are acting unruly. Are there instances when immediate interaction is the best course of action, sure...absolutely. More times than not, the "discipline" is best given from someone in a position of authority.

Reacting to someone in an aggressive manner (or even a defensive manner that can be taken as aggressive) should never be the advised first course of action.

You need to remember this thread started with a guests commenting that this type of behavior ruined their experience. That's where we started. It evolved into kids being traumatized, etc. Each situation is different and there are ALWAYS exceptions, but as adults setting examples for our kids, the kids we are with and just the kids in our presence, our actions speak just as loud or louder than our words alot of the times. Yes, the teens are setting a bad example and our job is to teach our kids that behavior is unacceptable. It's the job of the parents of the unruly teens to set a good example and teach them right from wrong is all I am saying.

If I am wrong, stop the next Disney security personal you see and ask what is their advice to you as a patron if a guest is being rude and annoying you.
 
We were on BTMRR two weeks ago and there were a bunch of teens on with us. One girl was screaming bloody murder and her school mates actually gave her a hard time, telling her to shut up and that it was annoying. There was a lot of "I am not speaking to you anymore" LOL It was funny to them the first three rabid screams but the WHOLE time had my kids craning round at her too.
 


All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer
 
There are ways to stop a child from being traumatized without verbally responding to the group..thats the point. There are ways to comfort them, etc., but this is more than about one specific instance.

It's the job of the parents of the unruly teens to set a good example and teach them right from wrong is all I am saying.
This is the last response I am making because it seems like you are intent on driving your point into the ground.


The fundamental difference here is that some of us feel they have no right to traumatize anyone else, and you shouldn't have to comfort a child through it. No one should have to make do or deal with at kindof behavior. The childs right to not be tramautized trumps the kids right to do as they please at the expense of others. It just isn't right. Just because you CAN get the kid through it doesn't mean the right thing to do is keep quiet. We see it differently than you. I feel the right thing to do would be to speak up, and apparently there are those here agree.IMO, There is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself when someone is throwing their weight around at the expense of others. It is OK to say "hey, that isn't right". If no one ever speaks up, nothing changes. This may be a little thing, but letting the little things slide leads to bigger things.

I also believe that calling a kid on poor behavior that is infringing on someone else is not about trying to parent them at all. It is about sticking up for my family, who has just as much right to be there as anyone else. If the teens learn something in the bargain, great. If not, as long as they leave us alone, I frankly don't care. I'm NOT their mom, but it is not right that they be allowed to torment others because no one is willing to speak up and say it is unacceptable for fear of ruffling their feathers. Frankly, I dont care if try don't like me calling them on it. If you don't want to be called out, don't behave in a manner you know is unacceptable in public. Bottom line, if no one speaks up it will never stop. I am willing to be the one that steps in and stops it.
 
Folks no more.
Learn to respect everyone's view points otherwise these "fun" threads will disappear from TPAS :surfweb:

I'm not having any "fun" on this thread... :worried: What am I doing wrong? :confused:

NO -- don't answer that. Please do us a favor and just kill it.
 
I think that this thread is rather sad. I don't like confrontation and I don't yell at anyone but the day I just take any behavior then I will lose my self-respect. It takes a lot to push me to saying something but I refuse to just take it because somehow it's better to do so. I can't for the life of me see why that is somehow a preferable approach. It's no wonder that people of all ages are behaving worse and worse.
 
This is the last response I am making because it seems like you are intent on driving your point into the ground.

The fundamental difference here is that some of us feel they have no right to traumatize anyone else, and you shouldn't have to comfort a child through it. No one should have to make do or deal with at kindof behavior. The childs right to not be tramautized trumps the kids right to do as they please at the expense of others. It just isn't right. Just because you CAN get the kid through it doesn't mean the right thing to do is keep quiet. We see it differently than you. I feel the right thing to do would be to speak up, and apparently there are those here agree.IMO, There is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself when someone is throwing their weight around at the expense of others. It is OK to say "hey, that isn't right". If no one ever speaks up, nothing changes. This may be a little thing, but letting the little things slide leads to bigger things.

I also believe that calling a kid on poor behavior that is infringing on someone else is not about trying to parent them at all. It is about sticking up for my family, who has just as much right to be there as anyone else. If the teens learn something in the bargain, great. If not, as long as they leave us alone, I frankly don't care. I'm NOT their mom, but it is not right that they be allowed to torment others because no one is willing to speak up and say it is unacceptable for fear of ruffling their feathers. Frankly, I dont care if try don't like me calling them on it. If you don't want to be called out, don't behave in a manner you know is unacceptable in public. Bottom line, if no one speaks up it will never stop. I am willing to be the one that steps in and stops it.

Very well put. If this doesn't convince someone then they are either unable or unwilling to be convinced.
 
This is the last response I am making because it seems like you are intent on driving your point into the ground.


The fundamental difference here is that some of us feel they have no right to traumatize anyone else, and you shouldn't have to comfort a child through it. No one should have to make do or deal with at kindof behavior. The childs right to not be tramautized trumps the kids right to do as they please at the expense of others. It just isn't right. Just because you CAN get the kid through it doesn't mean the right thing to do is keep quiet. We see it differently than you. I feel the right thing to do would be to speak up, and apparently there are those here agree.IMO, There is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself when someone is throwing their weight around at the expense of others. It is OK to say "hey, that isn't right". If no one ever speaks up, nothing changes. This may be a little thing, but letting the little things slide leads to bigger things.

I also believe that calling a kid on poor behavior that is infringing on someone else is not about trying to parent them at all. It is about sticking up for my family, who has just as much right to be there as anyone else. If the teens learn something in the bargain, great. If not, as long as they leave us alone, I frankly don't care. I'm NOT their mom, but it is not right that they be allowed to torment others because no one is willing to speak up and say it is unacceptable for fear of ruffling their feathers. Frankly, I dont care if try don't like me calling them on it. If you don't want to be called out, don't behave in a manner you know is unacceptable in public. Bottom line, if no one speaks up it will never stop. I am willing to be the one that steps in and stops it.

I couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't even try.
 
We were on Jungle Cruise in Feb and a family that did not use English as their first language talked the entire ride so much that we couldn't hear the captain's spiel. I said something to the cast member on the dock when we got off that it would have been better to hear everything. Next thing we knew, we were on a private cruise! My first timer friends loved it and so did I! It was magical.

BTG's strike again !!!
 












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