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[Sandisw]

I could see a 4 month booking window reduced at a resort that does not book up fast such as SSR or OKW.

It wouldn't make much sense to increase the numbers of bookers by reducing the window at a resort where stuff is gone in 2 seconds at 11 months.

This was in relation to the way the special season list works and as of now, the trade off of this type of booking is that there is only the guaranteed one month…it’s the trade off of them instituting it.

In agree that under normal booking I don’t see it being reduced.

 

[Disney Spaz]

We didn’t own when they had to institute the whole list then lottery. I know I would not be happy as an owner for a lottery system and adjusted booking window for my home resort.

 

[drusba]

@drusba thanks for the explanation.

It is interesting that issues were seen starting in the 1990's and a solution was attempted, then abandoned. Do you recall why it was stopped or was it 2001 that made it unnecessary and it was never restarted?

DVC did not explain having the special season preference for Christmas week and then not having it. It was in effect only when there were two WDW resorts, OKW and BWV, and it was already in existence when we purchased BWV shortly after it opened, i.e., it may have been created mainly as an addition to help sales since it gave any owner of one resort the ability to get any other resort before 11-months out for a holiday period.

Though Christmas week had higher demand than many other weeks, it did not appear to be a real problem at the time, e.g., I knew another member who booked Christmas week in a standard view BWV studio during the 11-month window, i.e., after all those who used the special season preference list got their reservations.

It is still a tool that could be used for high demand times like most of Dec. When DVC later changed the rule to add a priority reservation month to it for one reserving a home resort, I thought DVC was going to actually use it again, but that did not happen.

 

[Judique]

DVC did not explain having the special season preference for Christmas week and then not having it. It was in effect only when there were two WDW resorts, OKW and BWV, and it was already in existence when we purchased BWV shortly after it opened, i.e., it may have been created mainly as an addition to help sales since it gave any owner of one resort the ability to get any other resort before 11-months out for a holiday period.

Though Christmas week had higher demand than many other weeks, it did not appear to be a real problem at the time, e.g., I knew another member who booked Christmas week in a standard view BWV studio during the 11-month window, i.e., after all those who used the special season preference list got their reservations.

It is still a tool that could be used for high demand times like most of Dec. When DVC later changed the rule to add a priority reservation month to it for one reserving a home resort, I thought DVC was going to actually use it again, but that did not happen.

Wasn't some of the issue the hype and desire for reservations leading up to the turn of the century and Y2K? There were many people trying to get reservations for that once in a lifetime (for most individuals) New Year's celebration. I bought the next year in 2000 at BWV so slightly behind the crowd but still monitoring whether I actually would buy this 'timeshare'.

 

[DisFanDad]

Was very interesting on the phone yesterday with member services, even though I've already agreed to the T&C online, the CM on the phone with me went over the new T&C and asked if I agreed to it, and also noted that it applied to ALL of my reservations.

 

[MB_01]

if people were lining up for their fix during Covid

I booked a stay at Grand Floridian when they reopened. Got a studio with only 8 days notice! No parks but universal was open so we went there every day and dinners at zombie apocalypse Disney springs. When we checked in the front desk said we were the 13th and 14th guest. June 22ish 2020. It was really cool for a while then started to seem sad….

 

[drusba]

Wasn't some of the issue the hype and desire for reservations leading up to the turn of the century and Y2K? There were many people trying to get reservations for that once in a lifetime (for most individuals) New Year's celebration. I bought the next year in 2000 at BWV so slightly behind the crowd but still monitoring whether I actually would buy this 'timeshare'.

I do remember that issue coming up for late Dec 1999 but do not know how much of an impact it actually had on DVC reservations, although probably some since I remember reading it had an impact on Disney reservations in general. (I also remember the constant reference to the possible computer problem, in that the computers were believed unable to properly switch to a a date outside the nineteen hundreds.) In any event, the Special Season rule for Christmas week was in effect before 1999 and thus was not specifically created for that time.

As to professional renters, in addition to other limitations, DVC could use the Special Season Preference rule for high demand periods as one of the means to reduce rental problems since a member could only make one reservation at a home resort during the applicable time period, and if DVC would add the use of the lottery to the special preference period, the professional renter would not necessarily even get the chosen reservation.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

All this talk of rules, past, present and wished for is enough to give me a headache.

I have a hard enough time keeping track of current rules, now you are discussing rules from 1990!

I give up.

Oh, my quandary resolved itself. I won't be on any DVC list after all!

 

[RamblinWreck]

I’m not sure how I feel about this

I rented out basically all of my points over the next 2 years recently because my house burned down and my priorities were on paying for the rebuild.

Now I feel like I need to feel weird about that.

 

[cruisehopeful]

I’m not sure how I feel about this

I rented out basically all of my points over the next 2 years recently because my house burned down and my priorities were on paying for the rebuild.

Now I feel like I need to feel weird about that.

Don't feel weird about it. Disney wants you to keep your membership and take vacations again when you are able to. Some of the people that you rented your points to might end up buying DVC.

 

[IMMkXLVI]

I’m not sure how I feel about this

I rented out basically all of my points over the next 2 years recently because my house burned down and my priorities were on paying for the rebuild.

Now I feel like I need to feel weird about that.

Don't.

Don't feel weird.

Don't concern yourself with the opinions of random internet keyboarists.

IF Disney approaches you, describe your situation. Any reasonable person would empathize.

Beyond that, do what is best for you.

 

[xdan0920]

I’m not sure how I feel about this

I rented out basically all of my points over the next 2 years recently because my house burned down and my priorities were on paying for the rebuild.

Now I feel like I need to feel weird about that.

You are not the issue. Any reasonable person can see that. Don't let some dramatic what if-ers around here make it seem that way.

 

[xdan0920]

The top post in the rental forum has me cracking up. This is what y’all are defending.

edit to add....

Someone has 4300pts for rent.

 

[LoveToDisney]

The top post in the rental forum has me cracking up. This is what y’all are defending.

I saw that, too! Wow!

 

[IMMkXLVI]

The top post in the rental forum has me cracking up. This is what y’all are defending.

Yea, I'd not be defending that. I'd also not be a patron.

 

[GoingSince1990]

The top post in the rental forum has me cracking up. This is what y’all are defending.

The fact that these posts almost never seem to specify a minimum number of points per rental makes me think that DVC has not even been enforcing the "20 reservations in a 12 month period" limit. If I was renting 2000 points I would probably want each reservation to be at least 200 points, so there were only 10 (or fewer) reservations in all, giving me a good safety margin below the 20 maximum, but these people seem just as happy to do a very high number of very small reservations.

 

[Tatebeck]

The fact that these posts almost never seem to specify a minimum number of points per rental makes me think that DVC has not even been enforcing the "20 reservations in a 12 month period" limit. If I was renting 2000 points I would probably want each reservation to be at least 200 points, so there were only 10 (or fewer) reservations in all, giving me a good safety margin below the 20 maximum, but these people seem just as happy to do a very high number of very small reservations.

Or they have had multiple memberships/contracts in LLCs with a chunk of the points in each making each one stay under 20 reservations per year easily

 

[disneylandtour]

I’m not sure how I feel about this

I rented out basically all of my points over the next 2 years recently because my house burned down and my priorities were on paying for the rebuild.

Now I feel like I need to feel weird about that.

I definitely rented points at multiple resorts before making my first DVC purchase years ago. So I do think there is some sales strategies to renting.

 

[disneylandtour]

The top post in the rental forum has me cracking up. This is what y’all are defending.

edit to add....

Someone has 4300pts for rent.

I don't think anyone here (or hardly anyone here) is defending that. That, IMO, is commercial renting. I think what people are discussing more is: "I booked a resort at 11 months and now can't go" OR "due to family/medical/work issues, I can't use all of my points next year."

 

[mkatsy]

I don’t know much about this, the Governor just signed it today. It looks like they are required to give online access to the records and allow teleconference access to the board meetings.