DVC T &C Personal Use - Only Thread to Discuss.

[Sandisw]

If they try to curb rentals swapping with third parties going towards cruises, they would likely also be trying to increase the number of people who trade their points for the cruises directly through Disney. But recent resale buyers can't directly trade for cruises anymore so there really isn't a way for Disney to stop resale members from doing it. If they tried to curb it whatever they would do would likely affect direct members or grandfathered resale members as they are the ones who can actually trade for the cruises directly from Disney

What someone does with their points isn’t really relevant though

It’s all about whether the rental activity one is doing rises to the level DVC sees using membership as a commercial enterprise.

Having said that, my guess is that any owner renting to cover the cost of a cruise isn’t likely renting at levels that shift them into the commercial use bucket.

 

[Sandisw]

Yeah, how many pages was the nothing-burger thread about the CFW Trust that was supposed to completely transform DVC?

To be fair, no other new resort has come online yet. We have to wait to see what happens with LSL to know if this was a one time thing or the way forward.

 

[Tatebeck]

What someone does with their points isn’t really relevant thiugh.

It’s all about whether the rental activity one is doing rises to the level DVC sees using membership as a commercial enterprise.

Having said that, my guess is that any owner renting to cover the cost of a cruise isn’t likely renting at levels that shift them into the commercial use bucket.

Right, which is why I said that I don't think they would do anything to try and curb it. It's too messy and isn't really what they are trying to stop.

My first post saying how messy it would be was after someone else was saying why they didn't think they would/go after cruises as that seems like personal use to most members. I was just adding another reason why they wouldn't try to go after cruisers, whether direct swappers or third party swappers

 

[Sandisw]

Right, which is why I said that I don't think they would do anything to try and curb it. It's too messy and isn't really what they are trying to stop.

My first post saying how messy it would be was after someone else was saying why they didn't think they would/go after cruises as that seems like personal use to most members. I was just adding another reason why they wouldn't try to go after cruisers, whether direct swappers or third party swappers

And this just supports some of the confusion…as DVCs responsibilities are only to identify owners and enforce the rules based on the level of renting they are doing crossing the threshold from acceptable and not acceptable.

They can’t use the rental market as a whole and make rules based on that…only what an individual owner is doing.

 

[supersnoop]

If DVC comes out tomorrow and says the 20 rule policy a still in play, then that’s what owners will be allowed to do.

I’ve never actually seen the “20 reservations” policy in writing. Is that something that the CM’s told people over the phone? Did they send a letter? It seems like it was enacted before social media.

 

[Sandisw]

I’ve never actually seen the “20 reservations” policy in writing. Is that something that the CM’s told people over the phone? Did they send a letter? It seems like it was enacted before social media.

It was published in 2008 and was the last published policy we have. A link is posted in this thread.

And yes. CMs advised people of it, and those who did receive letters for going over were reminded that they were allowed 20 in a rolling 12 month period.

Once online began, they flagged people’s account for review. If you could show none were rentals they would allow you to exceed 20..if not, your cap stayed at 20.

They have never officially said one way or another if it’s still used for enforcement and you need to request the official policy based on the POS of many resorts…I’m still waiting.

The thing about that policy is it was written to be applied per membership, and that is what contributed to owners creating multiple memberships in different names and LLCs to get around it.

My opinion here…based on the statements last year, I wonder if what they working on is finding a way to enforce things against an owner using data from any of the memberships they are associated with and possibly one reason we have seen nothing reported yet…or, those who did won’t be sharing either?

 

[Cyberc1978]

My opinion here…based on the statements last year, I wonder if what they working on is finding a way to enforce things against an owner using data from any of the memberships they are associated with and possibly one reason we have seen nothing reported yet…or, those who did won’t be sharing either?

Well if that’s the case then maybe the 20 reservations rule is still in play but what have changed could be that it’s across any and all memberships you own.
But a workaround to that wouldn’t that just be to create a LLC with yourself as owner and use a employees name as principal on each contract. That way you own the LLC but your employee is owner or principal of the contract.

Full disclosure I don’t know how an LLC work or how it works with DVC ownerships but I could imagine the creative folks owning 10,000’s of points would find a workaround using only 1 name on contracts until you own xx numbers of points which would equal 20 reservations or less and then for the next membership add a new name to the contracts.