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[zavandor]

Could DVC ask to show proof of employment when checking in?

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

I generally think this will sort itself out in the next two years. From the dumping of AUL and BWV contracts starting last October, I'm pretty sure massive commercial renters were already contacted by Disney. This leaves the FB renters (you've seen them - Hey, experience renter here with 2,000 points to rent this and every year). That will likely be Disney's next target. The next battle will play out there. And inside of that, through many examples, it will become clear what is and what isn't commercial renting. My guess: if you regularly use your points for your family, you're probably fine. Another guess, the rental cites are soon going to be the ones policing this, as they don't want Disney to cancel reservations that they (meaning David's, DVC Store) technically sold, which would put them in legal exposure. So I think pretty quickly David's, DVC Store, etc. are going to figure out how to manage all this to protect their own business interests. The person who can't go to Disney this year because they have work responsibilities or are caring for an elderly relative or need to focus on something else is probably going to be just fine renting points. But unless you are some clear commercial operation on FB or elsewhere, the arbitrators of what is and what is not allow will likely quickly be the rental outfits themselves, as they have to most to lose if a reservation is cancelled by Disney. I wouldn't be surprised for David's / DVC Store / etc. to ask for a screen shot of total points and then do some calculations on how many points have been rented over the past year or so before agreeing to rent out an owner's points. I think something like that is likely coming. But again, we'll see.

I do think large players have been warned or otherwise see some changes in the DVC ecosystem they think suggests enforcement is coming…but I think mostly the more risk averse have sold so far, with a lot of them still waiting to see if any crackdown actually materializes and/or listing contracts at 125% of market price, content to wait 6+ months before selling. I think if all the big renters knew a big hammer was coming, we would see them more eager to sell before the price collapses instead of trying to sell stripped contracts at an ambitious $/pt rate?

Beyond that, I hope you are right— start with the biggest players and most egregious “mid-size” renters (let’s say 500-8,0000 points rented a year?) and then see what their spec renting problem and hotel occupancy problem look like before working their way down to the folks who actually use more than half of their points each year (if at all).

However, I did see someone was told my member services today they couldn’t change the name on a spec rental if it wasn’t a personal friend or family member—so maybe they want to tackle spec renting or not. I don’t know if that’s an official policy change from Disney (that someone in MS let slip early) or simply a misunderstanding but I really, really hope it’s true. Once again, the anecdote reminds me of the DAS crackdown where some people started getting random calls suggesting a hugely restrictive overhaul before the new rules formally rolled out but others discounted it as a random DAS evaluator just making new stuff up to be cruel.