DVC Response About Ebay Commercial Sellers

[tmt martins]

I really suggest if you feel you must do something that you simply contact Disney rather than send lots of emails. Outside of making YOU look like a stalker/harasser all the commercial renter has to do is block your email address. If you call them, they simply have to get you phone number and record the call to report you to the phone company.

This is a civil matter and should be handled that way, not some sort of wild west vigilante justice.

YES ITA if any and all E-mails and phone calls should be directed JUST to DVD this is the only way to get this fixed. It's real easy to change an E-mail address or filter one .

Do not try to contact these people it will only hurt DVD's attempt to correct this.

 

[Y-ASK]

Do not try to contact these people it will only hurt DVD's attempt to correct this.

Yeah this site is probably going to generate enough notice. One last catch, this site was refered to in another thread:

http://www.dvcrequest.com/

I'll not post this guy's name although it took some time to find. He only owns three contracts at about 150 per so I wouldn't consider him a commercial renter. Heck I have and will probably rent around 300 to 400 pts myself per year, but I will not rent a reservation that has already been made.

Y-ASK

 

[Chuck S]

And remember, the last renter site shown above is not an American site, it is Australian...Disney may be able to halt the rentals, and it may take time, but here is probably little they can do about the website itself.

 

[keys2kingdom]

I respectfully suggest we allow Disney to handle this. You know by now they have read all about it anyway, and even if they haven't, I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of folks who have reported it.

Yes, no calls or emails directly to these individuals. It would just give them a heads-up anyway.

 

[Y-ASK]

And remember, the last renter site shown above is not an American site, it is Australian...Disney may be able to halt the rentals, and it may take time, but here is probably little they can do about the website itself.

Actually from what I've been able to find he's in Canada and like I said he doesn't really have enough points to be considered a commercial renter. He just likes to make websites ...

Y-ASK

 

[Chuck S]

Actually from what I've been able to find he's in Canada and like I said he doesn't really have enough points to be considered a commercial renter. He just likes to make website ...

Y-ASK

You're correct, we posted at about the same time. dvcrequest.com is Canadian. I was referring to melbourne.com.au

 

[Y-ASK]

You're correct, we posted at about the same time. dvcrequest.com is Canadian. I was referring to melbourne.com.au

Sorry don't mean to correct you again but that melbourne site is just the site that this person used to Reg. his domain. William is actually from VA. I just put the link to the Reg. site so that if anyone wanted his E-Mail address they would have. I did not want to post it on this site and probably should not have made it that easy for someone to find it.

Y-ASK

 

[3DisneyKids]

Hey, and here's boardwalkmagic's super duper fantastic website http://getawaymagic.com/default.aspx


Don't ya love those BC pictures Beca!!!!

Holy cow--those are all copywritten photos on the "photo tour" as well! I guess some people just like to live on the edge...

 

[jennybobenny]

As best as I can tell W & L have a total of 20 contracts
Highest is 220pts / lowest is 120pts
5 at BWV / 2 at BCV / 13 at SSR
Total points 3055
Total cost $273,185.00
Maintenance fees (using a very general $4/pt) $1018/month or $12,220/year

Not sure why I just spent the better part of an hour adding all that up, except that I've spent most of the night reading this thread and am stunned. Maybe I shouldn't be. Gotta get rid of those rose-colored glasses, I guess.

At the very least I hope these revelations impact their rental business. I'd love for them to either lose a chunk of unbankable points or maybe have to pay their maintenance fees 'out of pocket' this month.

 

[Chuck S]

Sorry don't mean to correct you again but that melbourne site is just the site that this person used to Reg. his domain. William is actually from VA. I just put the link to the Reg. site so that if anyone wanted his E-Mail address they would have. I did not want to post it on this site and probably should not have made it that easy for someone to find it.

Y-ASK

Ahhh...I see. I didn't click on the link, I just read the melourne.com.au

 

[minnie61650]

Yes, no calls or emails directly to these individuals. It would just give them a heads-up anyway.

You are correct.
smw has removed Disney's photos from her ebay auction sites which I was watching today.

In a way she may be one of the lucky ones because she was able to rid herself of some incriminating evidence.

 

[keys2kingdom]

Yeah this site is probably going to generate enough notice. One last catch, this site was refered to in another thread:

http://www.dvcrequest.com/

I'll not post this guy's name although it took some time to find. He only owns three contracts at about 150 per so I wouldn't consider him a commercial renter. Heck I have and will probably rent around 300 to 400 pts myself per year, but I will not rent a reservation that has already been made.

Y-ASK

He's old news.

This is the guy that Mush tried to put up as a patsy to deflect scrutiny from smw early on.

We know this guys name and DIS ID as well. According to Deb & Bill he's on LOTS of sites and doesn't even bother trying to hide what he's doing.

Even though he may not own a lot of points he does have a spot on his snazzy website where you can sell him points if you want to. How generous!

 

[3DisneyKids]

From the information being posted in this thread, I'd say it's fair to conclude that the Point Morphing And Commercial Renting In Five Easy Steps graduates are more numerous than anyone imagined.

However, I'm not comfortable with the direction this thread appears to be headed. I will just add that in my opinion, there is NO way I believe Disney could not have had some idea this was all going on and who the major players are and I'm hoping they have begun the process of dealing with it.

I mean, with the sheer number of reservations that are apparently being made on these people's membership on a daily basis, everyone in MS must not only know them by name, but can recognize their voices and recite their member ID from memory by now.

I respectfully suggest we allow Disney to handle this. You know by now they have read all about it anyway, and even if they haven't, I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of folks who have reported it.

This is the same thought that has been on my mind all day. With that number of contracts and points, she (and I am specifically regerring to smw/mush/etc) must have to call MS on an almost daily basis. Clearly, they all must know who she is and with this level of rental activity, and they must also know that she is in it for profit.

And since this has been going on for years, MS/DVC has had no problem with it. I wonder why? It is clearly in violation (but then again, so is 5 in a 1-BR...that is for another thread, as well all know), so why is it surfacing now? Has commercial renting reached and all-time high? Is it because of the changes in the Executive structure? Complaints from other DVCers?

Now that I have seen the vastness of those contracts...and can only imagine the number of rooms that are being booked (and other DVC'ers are being squeezed out of), I will send along my complaints to MS and Carli. Should anyone else be CCd on this?

 

[3DisneyKids]

Ok, I just checked eBay at 11:25 pm ET and this is what I found:

ZERO smw ads
ZERO boardwalkmagic ads
TWO disdvcer ads (both for sold out weeks during F&W, mind you)
TWO additional ones from 2 separate people who do not appear to be commercial renters

I didn't do all of the possible search terms, I'm sure, but I was broad enough to catch most I would think....

 

[keys2kingdom]

This is the same thought that has been on my mind all day. With that number of contracts and points, she (and I am specifically regerring to smw/mush/etc) must have to call MS on an almost daily basis. Clearly, they all must know who she is and with this level of rental activity, and they must also know that she is in it for profit.

And since this has been going on for years, MS/DVC has had no problem with it. I wonder why? It is clearly in violation (but then again, so is 5 in a 1-BR...that is for another thread, as well all know), so why is it surfacing now? Has commercial renting reached and all-time high? Is it because of the changes in the Executive structure? Complaints from other DVCers?

Now that I have seen the vastness of those contracts...and can only imagine the number of rooms that are being booked (and other DVC'ers are being squeezed out of), I will send along my complaints to MS and Carli. Should anyone else be CCd on this?

Good post! I can't imagine what has made DVC turn a blind eye to this for so long. Perhaps it is finally starting to have a significant enough impact on CRO/WDTC reservations that someone is finally sitting up and taking notice. I don't really care what their motivation is for fixing it I just wish they would.

Throughout all this let's not forget that our major beef is with Disney for allowing this in the first place.

 

[diznyfanatic]

Good post! I can't imagine what has made DVC turn a blind eye to this for so long. Perhaps it is finally starting to have a significant enough impact on CRO/WDTC reservations that someone is finally sitting up and taking notice. I don't really care what their motivation is for fixing it I just wish they would.

Throughout all this let's not forget that our major beef is with Disney for allowing this in the first place.

I can only speculate, but if I had to guess, I'd say there might have been a few factors colliding that brought all of this enough to the forefront that Disney felt compelled to do something.

The first and biggest would have to be that these commercial renters must be cutting into Disney profits. It's pretty common knowledge on these board alone that renting from a member can save you hundreds of dollars off of CRO's rates.

The second thing I can think of would be that it might somehow be having a negative effect on sales at SSR and any other new DVC projects if people think they can rent less cheaply than buy and still receive most of the benefits.

Finally, I'll bet there have been a lot more complaints about the difficulty in booking.

 

[tmt martins]

This could also stem from complaints from MS.

You know they are bogged down from talking to renters (excuse I know But ) .So that change was easy to make no more but Members calls.

It could also be with the new shift of Management as well and this could be the NEW hot button.

Either way if enforced it has to be across the board no well It's to Small or to Large.If it's using commerse (be it E-bay ,here on the DIS or a web-sight) instead of word of mouth then it's Commercial. I think thats the main issue.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

This is the same thought that has been on my mind all day. With that number of contracts and points, she (and I am specifically regerring to smw/mush/etc) must have to call MS on an almost daily basis. Clearly, they all must know who she is and with this level of rental activity, and they must also know that she is in it for profit.

And since this has been going on for years, MS/DVC has had no problem with it. I wonder why? It is clearly in violation (but then again, so is 5 in a 1-BR...that is for another thread, as well all know), so why is it surfacing now? Has commercial renting reached and all-time high? Is it because of the changes in the Executive structure? Complaints from other DVCers?

Now that I have seen the vastness of those contracts...and can only imagine the number of rooms that are being booked (and other DVC'ers are being squeezed out of), I will send along my complaints to MS and Carli. Should anyone else be CCd on this?

I think DVC was making sales and boosting their bottom line. Maybe they didn't think that commercial renting would take on a life of its own?

I do think they have received complaints, and I know that I will be sending a letter to DVC. I don't blame the commercial renter, I do blame Disney for allowing this to happen. This would have been easily controllable on their end. Disney created the monster. They knew that this many points weren't being used by the same person (s) for family vacation enjoyment.

I am still so amazed at the amount of contracts and points some people have, and there is no doubt in my mind they are running a business which is against the contract they signed. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but I would think the DVC has a the ability to legally stop these commercial renters. I don't agree with cancelling reservations already made, but there must be something else they can do (put a hold on contracts to buy them back,etc).

 

[Longhairbear]

Perhaps we all need to call MS. What should we all say?

 

[crisi]

Personally, I think the reason that its now is that Disney is doing 3 year projections and anticipating a period of low travel. Gas prices are up which is having an impact on food prices and a few other prices. I don't think Disney really cares when hotel occupancy is high, but if they are anticipating a recession, then DVC rentals become competition (and using food credits inappropriately on the dining plan becomes lost income). I'm seeing a number of small policy changes that I think are part of an effort to ensure revenue generation and keep expenses lower during a down economy.

(The company I work for just had a record year, and just went into cost cutting mode because we forsee a change in the economy next year.)

Disney, as a travel and entertainment company, tends to get hit pretty hard in a recession.