DVC Commercial Use Policy added to POS

[BWV Dreamin]

I got a infraction yes but that was for a opinion from the person who gave the infaction and not a voilation.

What is an infraction? Do the mods give these out?

 

[JimMIA]

The Vacation Planner is referring to 20 reservations "...in the name of other persons," and in that scenario, there is a presumption that the member is a commercial renter.

While I agree generally with this, I think Liferbabe's usage pattern shows that the logic is clearly flawed in some cases. I don't think it would be any big deal to explain her situation to any rational person.

 

[robinb]

What is an infraction? Do the mods give these out?

They are covered in the guidelines that you probably agreed to when you signed up for the DIS:
http://www.wdwinfo.com/guidelines.htm

 

[TisBit]

While I agree generally with this, I think Liferbabe's usage pattern shows that the logic is clearly flawed in some cases. I don't think it would be any big deal to explain her situation to any rational person.

Jim, are you allowed to quote yourself? I think it is pretty bad when you start debating yourself!

 

[DBorges]

What is an infraction? Do the mods give these out?

When you post a thread in voilation of the rules of the board you get them..

 

[disney54us]

theres also probably 75% more members than there were 10 years ago.

This is true, add into the equation commercial renters blocking off prime time to sell, makes it more difficult for members to get rooms.

Thank you Robin for understanding my concerns.

I deal with MS alot, and there are those that are helpful and then there are those you just hang up on and call back. I dont want my reservations jammed up because of a "misinterpretation" of the policy especially not when I am calling at critical times to book our reservations.

I own as many points as I do, because we travel at high peak times and we stay in larger units. I take anyone that wants to go. Life is too short.

I pay dearly for this luxury and we make many sacrifices throughout the year to be able to afford it.

I am not going to jump through hoops for something that is costing me so much each year, especially if I am doing nothing wrong.

I don't think you will have to jump through hoops. I honestly don't think you will have anything to worry about. As I have said previously there are patterns, yours is that you travel during high peaks, stay in large units and do many 'family gatherings'. Again, I reiterate just like people here on the boards know the names of commercial renters and names of families that are in the business, so does MS and DVC management. So I think the goal is that members like you can keep enjoying your membership and the rooms will be there for your enjoyment, not for someone to add to there income.
I agree about MS, you just have to hang up and call back sometimes to get someone who knows what they are doing, but I think that's if you make one ressie or twenty. It's just luck, if you get the message that you've been randomly selected to take a survey I noticed you usually get someone who is really good.

 

[robinb]

While I agree generally with this, I think Liferbabe's usage pattern shows that the logic is clearly flawed in some cases. I don't think it would be any big deal to explain her situation to any rational person.

I just hope that should they actually flag accounts like LIFERBABE's that the MS CM will be able to make that rational decision. When you're calling as soon as MS opens for your annual Christmas reservation it would be very annoying to have to be OK'd by someone "higher up" before the reservation can be made. Even if that "higher up" is a manager at MS. I can personally attest that all Standard View and Boardwalk View 2-BRs at BWV were gone for NYE in a matter of hours.

I know that I would have a major snit fit if I lost my reservation because MS wouldn't allow me to make without authorization.

 

[DBorges]

Jim, are you allowed to quote yourself? I think it is pretty bad when you start debating yourself!

Lmao I have do that as well.

I do not think that LIFERBABE is doing what the poilce is written towards.

I think it is the people who make web site and sell threw comm means.

I have no issue with a member using there points however they want .

I think if you have 140 point that your not goingto use why not rent them .

It is the Guy(he who remain un -named) who isin the rent for profit gig is wrong..

 

[Y-ASK]

I guess I just figured other people did as we did,.

And this is your 1st mistake. Everyone is different and no one vacations exactly the same. This reminds me of the movie Jurasic Park where Hammond and the Blood sucking lawyer are having a conversation about who will be able to afford to vacation at the Park and the lawyer says "We'll have a coupon day or something". Even they were planning on a way for someone to "work the system".

Well Jim I guess you're right but I'm still happy to see at least a realistic example of what DVC considers commercial renting. What I'm doing does not even come close to commercial renting in DVC's eyes but there's always those that would like a total band on renting period. I understand their concerns but disagree with their philophy.

Y-ASK

 

[JimMIA]

Jim, are you allowed to quote yourself? I think it is pretty bad when you start debating yourself!

It's allowed, but it's disappointing when I lose the debate.

 

[DVC Mike]

While the discussion of renting can turn into a "religious" discussion, can we please keep this a civil conversation and respect each other while not agreeing with each other?

 

[disney54us]

And this is your 1st mistake. Everyone is different and no one vacations exactly the same. This reminds me of the movie Jurasic Park where Hammond and the Blood sucking lawyer are having a conversation about who will be able to afford to vacation at the Park and the lawyer says "We'll have a coupon day or something". Even they were planning on a way for someone to "work the system".

Well Jim I guess you're right but I'm still happy to see at least a realistic example of what DVC considers commercial renting. What I'm doing does not even come close to commercial renting in DVC's eyes but there's always those that would like a total band on renting period. I understand their concerns but disagree with their philophy.

Y-ASK

Oops, my mistake, yes everyone is different such a shame that even a vacation is about working the system. You rent your extra points, you are not a commercial renter. I still don't get all the outrage on this thread from anyone (except that guy), unless they are commercial renters.
It would be like this: your on your HS football team, school states if you are caught using drugs you will be thrown of the team. If you don't use you have nothing to worry about. Same thing, not a commercial renter no worries. I think the language they are using (DVC) makes it clear who they are targeting. Once again, I say its about time!

 

[DVC Mike]

It's reassuring to know that I'm not hallucinating. At least not on this one question.

You were right, JimMIA! I haven't received my planner yet

 

[Y-ASK]

Do you ever use your own points for personal use?

Of course . I personally use them to rent to others .


Just kidding and don't blow a gasket . I'm joking. I think I posted this earlier in the thread or another. I rent about half my points 400-600 per year and use those rental fees to pay all of my maintenance fees. I usually break even or come out ahead by a little every year .

Shoot me, I'm an owner who rents....

But I never ever speculative rent. I thought about it early on and I think I even tried it once a couple of years ago but after reading many opinions on this forum I came to my own conclusion that speculative renting is not fair to other owners. I always have a renter and their dates set before I call and reserve anything.

Y-ASK

 

[disney54us]

It's allowed, but it's disappointing when I lose the debate.

, needed that!

 

[DVC Mike]

I just received a phone call from DVC. I had sent them an email asking about the new policy, and it's intent.

The individual I spoke to said the DVC leadership team "was really focusing on this issue" and was "really working hard on how to deal with commercial renting".

She mentioned how they were asking for the address and phone number of guests if you book a reservation that is not in your own name (I hadn't heard of this), thinking that it might discourage commercial renting. She also said that the commercial renters were getting around past hurdles, so DVC is looking into other things they can put into place to further discourage "commercial renters" and "speculative booking" (she actually used both terms). She said this is an ongoing discussion within the DVC "leadership team".

Interesting! I didn't expect a phone call but was glad they responded!

 

[Y-ASK]

Oops, my mistake, yes everyone is different such a shame that even a vacation is about working the system.

May I suggest that anyone who beleives this please investigate the timesharing industry as a whole of which DVC is just one, one of the better ones, but still just one. If you (using it as a general term, not you disney54us) don't learn to work the system then you are forever going to be disappointed with the results you get from the system. And of course blaming everyone along the way but yourself (again not you disney54us) and complaining about many who have taken the time to learn and work the system.

Y-ASK

 

[sjdisneywedding]

With due respect, I think you are extremely naive in terms of the techniques that profit-making organizations can use to assure that they get what they want in terms of phone reservations. I have been told by EXTREMELY reliable sources that when White Sox World Series tickets went on sale to the public two plus years ago, one ticket broker was able to acquire more than 85% of the available seats (think several thousand tickets) through the use of technology to make sure that few calls but their's could get through. They were also able to jam the website. A commercial renter, if desired, can corner a significant portion of the market the way the system works currently. I have no doubt that some are playing this game. One way to handle this part of the problem, though it would be a pain and harmful to some members at some times, is to limit you to one reservation per phone call.

I am well aware of those types of practices and to insinuate thats what is going on here is just ridiculous, IMO

 

[TisBit]

I just received a phone call from DVC. I had sent them an email asking about the new policy, and it's intent.

The individual I spoke to said the DVC leadership team "was really focusing on this issue" and was "really working hard on how to deal with commercial renting".

She mentioned how they were asking for the address and phone number of guests if you book a reservation that is not in your own name (I hadn't heard of this), thinking that it might discourage commercial renting. She also said that the commercial renters were getting around past hurdles, so DVC is looking into other things they can put into place to further discourage "commercial renters" and "speculative booking" (she actually used both terms). She said this is an ongoing discussion within the DVC "leadership team".

Interesting! I didn't expect a phone call but was glad they responded!

In the hopes of getting this back on topic and away from personal attacks, thanks for that information. Regardless of how you define your own actions (renter, commercial renter, personal user) the point of this post is that Disney is taking steps to correcting something they see as being wrong.

Just like everything else (contracts, security issues, etc) these are put in place to discourage people from misusing the system (as DVC sees it). It will be interesting to see what 'other' ideas they put into place. I personally hope it does discourage some of the commercial renting/speculative booking, before they make more drastic changes that can impact more people (charging for name changes, etc).

 

[sjdisneywedding]

It would be like this: your on your HS football team, school states if you are caught using drugs you will be thrown of the team. If you don't use you have nothing to worry about. Same thing, not a commercial renter no worries. I think the language they are using (DVC) makes it clear who they are targeting. Once again, I say its about time!

i agree, but opponents would argue about how the testing was being done and whether it was conclusive and accurate. Whether it was catching enough bad guys while not wrongly catching too many good guys. why would any one not doing it want to be at risk of being blamed by poor accuracy of reults

I think the same thing might be feared by some here. why would anyone not commercially renting but at the same time making 20 ressies per 12 months want to be scrutinized and have their account micromanaged?

of course these legit folks should never have any issues but after all it will be reviewed by people, who we all know see things differently.

thats all my concern is, will it help stop commercial renting while not harming the legit members

I dont know, I guess we will have to see