DS plans to invent a Michael Moore video Game

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by Doug123
This is, of course, off the subject of Michael Moore and Dawn's son's video, but I agree.
Now, back to Michael Moore. Sure, he goes overboard from time to time. But he brings some real truths out that do not normally get the mainstream play that it should.

Making fun of his weight, as some conservatives on this board have done, only shows the weakness in their argument.

My son's video? I am puzzled. How about making fun of his veracity, or lack of it. www.hardylaw.net/truth_about_bowling.htm May that will shed some "truth' on Michael Moore. Sorry the link won't work.

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by Doug123
I suggest you try to look past your weight prejudices and examine what the man is saying. Who knows, you might learn something.

Several websites have and provide some interesting insights into MM's attempts to spin the truth into what he wants it to be. Check out:

moorewatch.com
mooreexposed.com
bowlingfortruth.com
moorelies.com

Interesting reading!

 

[Doug123]

To repeat what I said earlier, the man does go overboard from time to time. However, he does make some good points as well.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by two4ruff


Remember the good old days of the debate board? Guess my dad was right, politics and religion bring out the best and WORST in people.

Everyone take a deep breath....step away from your keyboards...

Thats why some of us liked the debate board so much. It's much easier to argue politics with people who aren't close to you. You have to keep listening to your family members, but on the DB you could just turn it of, LOL!

 

[Disney Enthusiast]

Originally posted by hrh_disney_queen
Actually, I had no idea that CH had Alzheimer's when I was watching the movie. He looked and sounded fine to me.

I'll rephrase my opinion. Anyone who hosts an NRA rally in a town just days after that town has experienced a massacre in their high school is an insensitive idiot. Anyone who again hosts an NRA rally in a town just days after they have experienced the tragedy of a 6 year old shooting and killing another 6 year old at her school is an insensitive idiot.

That's the problem w/ your premise.... or MM's premise. Heston did not give that speech you heard in the movie 2 days after the massacre, but 8 or 9 mos later after being given an old gun relic as a gift. The cutting and splicing made us all "think" that the NRA showed up to thumb their noses at the grieving town, which actually was not the case. If you watch the movie more closely, you can see the change in ties he is wearing and if you look up the actual speeches, you will notice MM spliced bits and pieces of separate speeches to back up his point. The whole movie is taken out of context in order to sway the viewer. And the stmt made 48 hrs later on the Today Show was actually made by ExPresident Clinton not Heston about the death being a good thing. Just take everything that man says w/ a grain of salt because he is successfully trying to mislead you. And that just makes him pathetic.

If you feel you want to learn some more truths on Bowling for Columbine, bring up DawnCt's link, and where it says it can't bring up the link, click on the www.hardylaw.net. At the top it has a section about Bowling. Click on that. He gives you links to the ACTUAL transcripts and shows and pictures. All of you posters who think MM is such a genius. Please read up on him before you go any further. You might change your minds and find out that he is just a really good liar. He should have to give his award back because his movie was not a true documentary. I don't mind people giving their opinions, but MM more really gets to me because he puts excerpts together in ways to back up what he says as truth. That's all I wanted to say.

 

[momof2inPA]

Originally posted by hrh_disney_queen
Actually, I had no idea that CH had Alzheimer's when I was watching the movie. He looked and sounded fine to me.

What shocked me about CH in that movie was when he bragged about his unlocked guns in the house, with children's playground equipment clearly in the background of his interview.

 

[hrh_disney_queen]

Originally posted by momof2inPA
What shocked me about CH in that movie was when he bragged about his unlocked guns in the house, with children's playground equipment clearly in the background of his interview.

Me, too. And really, should a guy with Alzheimer's have loaded guns lying around his house anyway..??

And.. when CH invited MM into his house to talk, why did he clam up when MM brought up the NRA rallies?? I mean, he just walked out on him in his own house. Why did he let MM into his house in the first place? He had a day to find out what kind of work MM does if he didn't know already..

 

[momof2inPA]

MM was clearly shocked that CH agreed to meet with him at all.

 

[Pyg Me]

Originally posted by hrh_disney_queen
Actually, I had no idea that CH had Alzheimer's when I was watching the movie. He looked and sounded fine to me.

I'll rephrase my opinion. Anyone who hosts an NRA rally in a town just days after that town has experienced a massacre in their high school is an insensitive idiot. Anyone who again hosts an NRA rally in a town just days after they have experienced the tragedy of a 6 year old shooting and killing another 6 year old at her school is an insensitive idiot.

I guess you had no idea that your assertion aboutthe NRA meeting was not true, either.

". Columbine Shooting/Denver NRA Meeting. Bowling portrays this with the following sequence:

Weeping children outside Columbine;

Cut to Charlton Heston holding a musket and proclaiming "I have only five words for you: 'from my cold, dead, hands'";

Cut to billboard advertising the meeting, while Moore intones "Just ten days after the Columbine killings, despite the pleas of a community in mourning, Charlton Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally for the National Rifle Association;"

Cut to Heston (supposedly) continuing speech... "I have a message from the Mayor, Mr. Wellington Webb, the Mayor of Denver. He sent me this; it says 'don't come here. We don't want you here.' I say to the Mayor this is our country, as Americans we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land. Don't come here? We're already here!"

The portrayal is one of an arrogant protest in response to the deaths -- or, as one reviewer put it, "it seemed that Charlton Heston and others rushed to Littleton to hold rallies and demonstrations directly after the tragedy." The portrayal is in fact false.


Fact: The Denver event was not a demonstration relating to Columbine, but an annual meeting (see links below), whose place and date had been fixed years in advance.


Fact: At Denver, the NRA cancelled all events (normally several days of committee meetings, sporting events, dinners, and rallies) save the annual members' voting meeting -- that could not be cancelled because the state law governing nonprofits required that it be held. [No way to change location, since under NY law you have to give 10 days' advance notice of that to the members, there were upwards of 4,000,000 members -- and Columbine happened 11 days before the scheduled meeting.] As a newspaper reported:

In a letter to NRA members Wednesday, President Charlton Heston and the group's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, said all seminars, workshops, luncheons, exhibits by gun makers and other vendors, and festivities are canceled.

All that's left is a members' reception with Rep. J.C. Watts, R-Okla., and the annual meeting, set for 10 a.m. May 1 in the Colorado Convention Center.

Under its bylaws and New York state law, the NRA must hold an annual meeting.

The NRA convention April 30-May 2 was expected to draw 22,000 members and give the city a $17.9 million economic boost.

"But the tragedy in Littleton last Tuesday calls upon us to take steps, along with dozens of other planned public events, to modify our schedule to show our profound sympathy and respect for the families and communities in the Denver area in their time of great loss," Heston and LaPierre wrote."

Taken from www.moorelies.com

 

[Pyg Me]

Originally posted by Doug123
To repeat what I said earlier, the man does go overboard from time to time. However, he does make some good points as well.

If you consider telling lies making some good points, then I am with you.

He is a liar.

 

[Pyg Me]

Originally posted by momof2inPA
MM was clearly shocked that CH agreed to meet with him at all.

Charlton Heston did not "agree to meet" with MM. MM did an ambush interview with the man that was not scheduled at all. In that "interview" he took advantage of a man suffering from Alzhiemer's so he could make a buck.

 

[TinkBoo&ElliesMum]

Originally posted by Pyg Me
Charlton Heston did not "agree to meet" with MM. MM did an ambush interview with the man that was not scheduled at all. In that "interview" he took advantage of a man suffering from Alzhiemer's so he could make a buck.

Actually Heston didn't come out saying he had Alzheimer's. I found the actual quote from Aug. 9th, 2002 (source is FoxNews)

"My dear friends, colleagues and fans, my physicians have recently told me I may have a neurological disorder whose symptoms are consistent with Alzheimer's disease," the 78-year-old actor said.

Bowling for Columbine was released in the US on Aug. 30, 2002. Having already been aired at Cannes on May 15th, 2002. I doubt in the three weeks between Heston's announcement and wide release of the movie Michael Moore "ambushed" Heston to get an interview.

 

[Disney Enthusiast]

Thank you Pyg Me for posting that information.

It only begins to describe the actions MM took to cloud the truth. He went to great lengths to splice and edit speeches and timelines to make entirely different stmts and outcomes in order to have viewers believe he had information to back up his arguments. But if I took 1/2 a sentence someone typed a year ago and combined it w/ 1/2 a sentence someone typed last week, I could make that person out to be a real villain, too.

Be very careful w/ someone who has the ability to reach millions w/ that type of agenda. He must think we are all idiots.

 

[Pyg Me]

Originally posted by TinkBoo&ElliesMum
Actually Heston didn't come out saying he had Alzheimer's. I found the actual quote from Aug. 9th, 2002 (source is FoxNews)



Bowling for Columbine was released in the US on Aug. 30, 2002. Having already been aired at Cannes on May 15th, 2002. I doubt in the three weeks between Heston's announcement and wide release of the movie Michael Moore "ambushed" Heston to get an interview.

You are not honestly trying to say that Mr Heston had no sympton until after MM "interviewed" him.

It was common knowledge that Mr. Heston's mental health was slipping away from him. If you doubt that for three weeks MM let go of his sleazball method of opertaion, then you should reconsider.

Mr Heston has was rumored to be suffering from Alzheimer's before his annoucement. No doubt, MM knew and took advantage of it.

What about the splicing and "creative" editing?