Double FP for resort guests with seperate tickets.

[preemiemama]

Am I to understand that there is a possibility that old KTTWs may work to get FPs? I saw on another site that anything with a mag stripe might work? How can that be possible?

So could I take hoppers that haven't been used to enter the park to get FPs? What about old used Hoppers? Or a Hopper with the old Plus (waterpark) visit still left? I have a few of them lying around.

I am not sure. When we did it, we had current RFID KTTW cards. I read the other site as well, but know that Josh can be a bit sarcastic at times- not sure if he actually tried this or not... It seems to be as long as the KTTW card is RFID it would still work. In July, we used APs that had been activated at park entrance as well as current RFID KTTW cards. That is all I can personally confirm did work at that time.

If we have a package booked...and are not testing magic bands...can we have the resort/guest services remove out tickets from our KTTW cards and they we can double dip the FP's? Or do we need to use the KTTW cards at least once witht the tickets, then have them removed? Would this raise suspicions of the CM's in Guest Relations? How old can the previously used KTTW's be. Would one's from a trip last year in Aug work? Thanks for any responses.

Mike

Interesting question- not sure they can be disconnected if they are part of a package?

 

[sahmoffour]

So has anyone successfully used something other than a separate room key/AP combo to double-dip on FP?

Feeling a bit ripped off here, we have a package so will have our tickets on our KTTW card and we're not a part of the testing. Do you think it would be possible to say you lost your KTTW to get a new one, then be able to use both for FP? Or are you allowed to pull your tickets off your KTTW? I'm sure they would want to know the reason though, and I can't really think of a good one for it other than you found their loophole! LOL

Has anyone successfully used old KTTW cards to pull FP? We have some from our December 2012 trip and I'm wondering if they're worth taking, as they were RFID.

Can anyone confirm any of those scenarios?

 

[jerivera]

I've always wondered...

All those folk that want to double/triple book... is that really something you need to do to enjoy your vacations? ... Really?

It seems sort of silly to me. It's like you spend more time and effort in trying to figure out how to cheat the system than you do in actually planning to enjoy your vacation.

I do hope that whether you do or don't use FP-, FP+ and/or double/triple book FP-, y'all still get to remember it's a vacation and it's meant to be relaxing and enjoyed. Regardless of whether you get to ride SM 5 times via FP-/+

 

[preemiemama]

Has anyone successfully used old KTTW cards to pull FP? We have some from our December 2012 trip and I'm wondering if they're worth taking, as they were RFID.

Can anyone confirm any of those scenarios?

I would bring them. It seems to be since the RFID rollout. One way to check is to see if they show up in your MDE account. Both my room only KTTW card and my AP from this last trip are showing as activated cards in my account. Even if they are not, I would still bring them to try. Can't hurt!

 

[tlh0726]

I can't wait to double dip (maybe I can find a way to triple dip) and give away any FPs I don't use - in fact I think DGrD and I will pull FPs on our way out of the parks each day and give them away to unsuspecting folks just arriving - it will be our last big FP- hoorah!
Enjoy everyone!

Glad I am not the only one planning on spreading some "magic" around.

I've pulled everything we have from our past trips. Once we figure out what does and doesn't work in the machines we are going to have some fun!

 

[jasper]

So, for this to work is it important to not add your UT paper tickets to your KTTW card? When you add the UT tix to KTTW do they "confiscate" your paper tix? A little confused and intrigued by all this.

Also, I assume if you don't link your UT paper tix to your KTTW card you won't be able to use RFID turnstiles to gain park entry. I guess that's not much of an inconvenience for extra FPs. But why would they give you KTTW cards if there are no tix on them? For charging privileges?

 

[tyzzle]

But why would they give you KTTW cards if there are no tix on them? For charging privileges?

And to get in your room

 

[UNCFanatik]

Got to love this new FP "double dipping" Disney policy.

Of course, no one ever abused the FP system in the past. I mean if Disney is allowing this, then it is their policy. I am still waiting on the reports of CMs telling people how to take advantage of this new Disney policy.

And please ignore that "non-transferable" verbiage on the back of the FPs. Disney really didnt mean that to apply to YOU....just those "other" people.

 

[jasper]

And to get in your room

That would help, especially considering how tired we'll all be after riding everything twice. LOL

 

[preemiemama]

So, for this to work is it important to not add your UT paper tickets to your KTTW card? When you add the UT tix to KTTW do they "confiscate" your paper tix? A little confused and intrigued by all this.

Also, I assume if you don't link your UT paper tix to your KTTW card you won't be able to use RFID turnstiles to gain park entry. I guess that's not much of an inconvenience for extra FPs. But why would they give you KTTW cards if there are no tix on them? For charging privileges?

I would need a ticket expert to confirm this, but I think you can just trade your UT paper tickets for new Disney RFID ticket media? With my AP, I had a voucher that I cashed in for the actual AP. Isn't there a voucher for the UT tickets, or is it an actual ticket for entry? I thought they were in the process of upgrading everything to RFID...

The KTTW cards are, as PP said, for room keys. And, yes, charging or dining plans if you choose to use them that way.

 

[bjakmom]

I would need a ticket expert to confirm this, but I think you can just trade your UT paper tickets for new Disney RFID ticket media? With my AP, I had a voucher that I cashed in for the actual AP. Isn't there a voucher for the UT tickets, or is it an actual ticket for entry? I thought they were in the process of upgrading everything to RFID...

The KTTW cards are, as PP said, for room keys. And, yes, charging or dining plans if you choose to use them that way.

At the end of May we exchanged our paper non-exp tickets and my paper AP for RFID versions at Guest Services at International Gateway. Not attached to our KTTW - the CM didn't even ask me if I had a KTTW card and/or wanted them attached (which I didn't even before the FP thing). We only did it to make getting into the parks easier and use the RFID readers.
However, we did enter the park 3 days before exchanging them with no problem - just picked the shortest entry line like we always do and when we got to the CM showed him our paper tickets and they called over a CM with a hand=held unit that scanned us in. Took a little longer, but not much. We just literally did not want to spend our park time waiting in the GS line to make the switch until our last day when it was convenient to us.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Got to love this new FP "double dipping" Disney policy.

Of course, no one ever abused the FP system in the past. I mean if Disney is allowing this, then it is their policy. I am still waiting on the reports of CMs telling people how to take advantage of this new Disney policy.

And please ignore that "non-transferable" verbiage on the back of the FPs. Disney really didnt mean that to apply to YOU....just those "other" people.

Are you just bitter because you never returned past the window printed on the FP and were allowed to ride (when that was allowed)? In the big scheme of things, why do you even care? Is it because some of us have friends who work as a CM and were clearly told we were allowed to do it?

You know for a fact that this is going away as soon as everything eventually rolls out. Why do want to play this same old tiring game? And for the record, I always swim earlier than 30 minutes after eating...regardless of what Mom told me.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Are you just bitter because you never returned past the window printed on the FP and were allowed to ride (when that was allowed)? In the big scheme of things, why do you even care? Is it because some of us have friends who work as a CM and were clearly told we were allowed to do it?

You know for a fact that this is going away as soon as everything eventually rolls out. Why do want to play this same old tiring game? And for the record, I always swim earlier than 30 minutes after eating...regardless of what Mom told me.

i could ask you why do you even care after posts like this one back in March:

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=828

Yet another example of why we have lost faith in anything Disney does "for the greater good of all guests". FP+ will change "our" touring plan and that is not something I am willing to pay them for.

I want no part to do with Disney of the future...

I just find this FP double dipping fascinating given the previous conversations around FPs and why people justify "gaming" the whole FP system to begin with. Its one thing to use your Magic Band and park ticket because of Disney allowing this "glitch" but quite another to bring previous KTTW cards from years past and try to use them to get FPs or just anything with a magnetic stripe.

 

[Mother Gothel]

Well now that they posted it for the pubic to see that will be fixed soon and no longer available.

 

[fan1080]

Got to love this new FP "double dipping" Disney policy.

Of course, no one ever abused the FP system in the past. I mean if Disney is allowing this, then it is their policy. I am still waiting on the reports of CMs telling people how to take advantage of this new Disney policy.

And please ignore that "non-transferable" verbiage on the back of the FPs. Disney really didnt mean that to apply to YOU....just those "other" people.

Bolded part above....

Correct, people used it as was allowed, and you know it.

But, for whatever reason, you feel those who followed Disney policy were rule breakers.

Same ole song and dance... but now, the record is skipping, and the vinyl LP is getting worn to the point where even a little nudge to the needle won't help.

 

[Marblies]

I do hope that whether you do or don't use FP-, FP+ and/or double/triple book FP-, y'all still get to remember it's a vacation and it's meant to be relaxing and enjoyed. Regardless of whether you get to ride SM 5 times via FP-/+

I would like to suggest that not everyone defines a vacation in the same manner. The last thing I do on my vacation is relax. I can do that at home. We are on the move all the time and enjoying every minute of it AND riding TSM with FP 5 times in one day would be awesome (for us)!

 

[UNCFanatik]

Bolded part above....

Correct, people used it as was allowed, and you know it.

But, for whatever reason, you feel those who followed Disney policy were rule breakers.

Same ole song and dance... but now, the record is skipping, and the vinyl LP is getting worn to the point where even a little nudge to the needle won't help.

When people gave away FPs, they were not using it as allowed, and you know it but chose to ignore that part of the FP rules. So yes, they were breaking Disney policy.

And now this is even more egregious, exploiting this testing phase.

 

[Cyrano]

Closed for moderation

 

[Cyrano]

Apology for the delay in re-opening this thread

 

[doconeill]

What I _think_ has happened is that when Disney de-coupled the ticket media and the entitlements to allow for multiple "devices" (tickets/cards/bands) to essentially link to the same entitlements, they also decoupled it in the Fastpass system - but only partially.

When you enter the park that day, whether you use your band, AP or KTTW card, it registers that you are in the park for all devices. However, when you get a Fastpass, it is only registering which particular device was used to get it, not on the common profile. So the KTTW card and the ticket media seemingly can both get FP on separate exclusion tracks.

At least, that's my theory.

I'll test it when I have a chance and look at the ticket codes to see what they might show. I had thought to being my previous KTTW card (still shown in my profile) so see how far it extends, but forgot. I will, however, have two sets of KTTW cards this trip.

I wonder if it requires that the person have an MDX profile for all this to be linked together.

It certainly seems like a "fixable" problem, depending on how much effort they want to put into it, vs. how long it will be expected to remain.