Don't like new fastpass plus!

[my2minnies]

Come on people...it all comes down to personal preference...and I'd venture to say for every person on this board that complains they can't ride their favorite ride 5 times every day, there are jsut as many or more people very satisfied that they don't need to worry about riding once later in the day because the "5 time a day rider" can't monopolize the fast passes.

To each their own! We like WDW because we can enjoy the atmosphere, take in shows and attractions, relax, eat great food, and spend quality time together. Being able to ensure main attractions ahead of time and not worry about going like a bat at of h@!! each morning to maximize FP- or risk not doing a major ride without an hour wait makes things even more enjoyable!

I agree--it is about personal preference. I can absolutely see why some people will like/love the fp+ system but I prefer the legacy system. It seems like the fp+ lovers get angry when someone says they don't like how the system works. I don't know how maximizing the legacy fp in the past makes them "cheaters" of the system. I don't know why we are supposed to be thrilled that now the playing field is leveled.

I understand why the change is made but I don't love it and I won't make Disney our primary vacation destination in the future. I have no ill will toward those that love fp+. Great for them and the millions that do.

It is hard to go from doing all the attractions you want to doing half the attractions in the same amount of time. We were able to wait in stand by lines but they were long and they were almost always longer than what was expected. This made me nervous that we were not going to make it to our scheduled fp+. In the past there were no lines for some of the attractions we would do choose to do in between fp's

We had a good trip despite it all. We certainly didn't spend extra money and in fact we went to MK one morning and ONLY did the sorcerer Mickey cards. It was too stressful planning everything.

 

[Dis703]

**couldn't have said it better myself **
And the few instances I sent DH for FP in the past he'd get lost and would wreck our schedule anyway...lol

Ha ha yes! Last year on our departure day I still hadn't been on Soarin. I had DH and ODS run into the park while I finished packing and told him to grab FP tickets and get in line to ride with DS and he tried to do it in reverse. By the time he got out of the ride he called to tell me the return time wasn't until the afternoon (after we were leaving). Grrrrr.

 

[Dis703]

I agree--it is about personal preference. I can absolutely see why some people will like/love the fp+ system but I prefer the legacy system. It seems like the fp+ lovers get angry when someone says they don't like how the system works. I don't know how maximizing the legacy fp in the past makes them "cheaters" of the system. I don't know why we are supposed to be thrilled that now the playing field is leveled.

I don't get angry when people say they don't like it. But for months on boards like these it seemed like every FP+ hate post I read wasn't presented as "I didn't like it" but more like FP+ sucking was an absolute fact and Disney did the worst thing ever by creating this and even going so far as insinuating people were morons if they fell for this whole FP+ MDE thing and how it has ruined the entire Disney experience. I generally always responded with our positive experiences to show there is another side and so people who have never used it can see it can be a good thing too.

 

[Laketravis]

I can't believe that a company that is out to make money intentionally designed a system to make it easier for people to spend less time in the parks. However, many are saying that they are and see it as a big bonus to FP+.

I can. It is very much to WDW's advantage to increase daily guest turnover in the parks.

If the "average" guest previously spent 10 hours in a park and now only spends 5, WDW can fit twice as many people in the same park each day. Especially if they have a tool like FP+ to help spread them out over operating hours.

That's a huge deal to them.

 

[silenttuba]

I can. It is very much to WDW's advantage to increase daily guest turnover in the parks. If the "average" guest previously spent 10 hours in a park and now only spends 5, WDW can fit twice as many people in the same park each day. Especially if they have a tool like FP+ to help spread them out over operating hours. That's a huge deal to them.

I agree, and for the same reasons I think Disney should include Park Hoppers with all tickets instead of making them an up charge (or maybe offer free upgrades for on site guests). Disney would love it if more people decided it was too crowded in MK, checked MDE, and hopped somewhere less crowded.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I agree, and for the same reasons I think Disney should include Park Hoppers with all tickets instead of making them an up charge (or maybe offer free upgrades for on site guests). Disney would love it if more people decided it was too crowded in MK, checked MDE, and hopped somewhere less crowded.

They don't have to go to a park. They can visit a resort. They can go to a restaurant at a resort. They can go to Downtown Disney which is now getting a major remake to be able to fit MORE guests in. So Disney doesn't need to give away park hoppers.

 

[SCDisneyfanatic]

@ my2minnies...I never used the term "cheaters", so not sure where you got that from...unless it was from someone else's post.

I guess it's just me, but I don't get the outrage and comments like "people will only spend 5 hours in the parks now instead of 10". I can see where if you wanted to ride Space Mountain 10 times a day and now you can only do it 2 or 3 times you might be upset. But I'd go out on a limb and say for every person like that there are 10 people that go to the parks and enjoy being able to get a FP for SM at 4 in the afternoon without worrying about being there at zero dark thirty because the guy that wants to ride 10 times has monopolized the system.

I think Disney will find in the long run that there are many more satisfied customers than disgruntled customers and that is their real goal...because if you get 2 new repeat customers for every 1 "old timer" that swears to never return, Disney wins!

 

[kay1864]

But for months on boards like these it seemed like every FP+ hate post I read wasn't presented as "I didn't like it" but more like
FP+ sucking was an absolute fact
Disney did the worst thing ever by creating this
people were morons if they fell for this whole FP+ MDE thing
it has ruined the entire Disney experience.

Yep, I saw the same kind of posts. Sometimes with extra exclamation points and/or all caps.

 

[my2minnies]

@ my2minnies...I never used the term "cheaters", so not sure where you got that from...unless it was from someone else's post.

I guess it's just me, but I don't get the outrage and comments like "people will only spend 5 hours in the parks now instead of 10". I can see where if you wanted to ride Space Mountain 10 times a day and now you can only do it 2 or 3 times you might be upset. But I'd go out on a limb and say for every person like that there are 10 people that go to the parks and enjoy being able to get a FP for SM at 4 in the afternoon without worrying about being there at zero dark thirty because the guy that wants to ride 10 times has monopolized the system.

I think Disney will find in the long run that there are many more satisfied customers than disgruntled customers and that is their real goal...because if you get 2 new repeat customers for every 1 "old timer" that swears to never return, Disney wins!

I just didn't see any outrage, just disappointment and what is wrong with the comment, "people will only spend 5 hours in the parks now instead of 10". I think we can all agree that it could be true for some so why get so upset by someone saying that. Nothing incendiary in that.


I agree with you--it is a win/win for Disney. Nothing is going to change because Disney will come out ahead. It is a company--it is supposed to make lots and lots of money. Disney's job isn't to make sure that only I have a great vacation. A whole new crop of visitors will love it and never know what is missing for a lot of us. The price keeps going up and people will pay it. I won't but you and many others will. I am happy for all of you and I am happy that I had 9 vacations with my children where I didn't have to wait in a single line and could ride almost any ride I wanted to when I wanted. It was fun while it lasted..

 

[lustergirl]

@ my2minnies...I never used the term "cheaters", so not sure where you got that from...unless it was from someone else's post.

I guess it's just me, but I don't get the outrage and comments like "people will only spend 5 hours in the parks now instead of 10". I can see where if you wanted to ride Space Mountain 10 times a day and now you can only do it 2 or 3 times you might be upset. But I'd go out on a limb and say for every person like that there are 10 people that go to the parks and enjoy being able to get a FP for SM at 4 in the afternoon without worrying about being there at zero dark thirty because the guy that wants to ride 10 times has monopolized the system.

I think Disney will find in the long run that there are many more satisfied customers than disgruntled customers and that is their real goal...because if you get 2 new repeat customers for every 1 "old timer" that swears to never return, Disney wins!

As I sit reading all of this apprehension about the new FP system I am so grateful that I am not going to let this bother me. I have no preference as to what ride I am going to reserve 60 days in advance and if I get 3 in one day that I like then so be it. My next trip I am going solo and not worried at all. I have been so many times that if I miss something it will be their on my next planned vacation.

 

[SCDisneyfanatic]

Perhaps a poor choice of words...I personally don't have a concern one way or the other. We planned our upcoming trip based on what system Disney is using. We will have a blast either way. My entire point is that this is a vacation...take time to stop and smell the roses...enjoy being with family in a magical place (BTW: not directing this at anyone in particular...just mean in general). FP+ or FP- or no FP at all...doesn't really dictate our enjoyment...just means we have to plan differently and accordingly. For those that are saddened by the changes, I am sorry for your heartache and/or disappointment. I hope you are able to adjust and find a way to enjoy your time at WDW in the future (or wherever you choose to travel).

 

[IWannaBuildASnowman]

See, when people who knew the old fastpass system inside and out road Soarin 4 times a day, that meant that someone else didn't get to ride it at all. Disney wants those people to ride the rides, be satisfied with their visit, and come back. In this respect I completely see the point of FP+. I just wish allocation was more fair (30/60 days).

 

[Mambo Junkie]

So?

You don't buy a snack. Big deal. You'll still buy about the same number of souvenirs on the trip as a whole. Maybe less? But they fit another person in instead, sold another hotel room, and another day of admission to someone else, and they buy souvenirs that make up what you don't. Plus you still paid for the room. Disney makes way more this way with two guests going half the time instead of one guest going all day.

I don't understand the logic attached to this. Why would more people come because someone isn't in the park? The same number of people are going to be in the park regardless of whether someone goes back to their resort or not. What does one expect? Oh goodie more people are going back to their rooms this afternoon I think I'll fly down to disney.

 

[IWannaBuildASnowman]

I don't understand the logic attached to this. Why would more people come because someone isn't in the park? The same number of people are going to be in the park regardless of whether someone goes back to their resort or not. What does one expect? Oh goodie more people are going back to their rooms this afternoon I think I'll fly down to disney.

It's long term planning. They know the parks reach a capacity beyond which they have to close the gates, basically. So they're building all these resorts and telling all these people to go to the parks, but if they try to go after lunch and the park is jammed and they have a terrible time or they can't even get in, they won't come back. But if they figure out a way to get people out of the parks more quickly, those people who come later in the day will have a good time and spread the word, meaning even more people will plan trips. This isn't about next Tuesday; it's about 2016, 2020, and even further out.

 

[Mambo Junkie]

I just hope the fast pass is what it says it is. I don't consider a 30+ minute wait a fast pass.

 

[Laketravis]

I don't understand the logic attached to this. Why would more people come because someone isn't in the park?

This isn't about next Tuesday; it's about 2016, 2020, and even further out.

Consider as well that MM+ and FP+ were both "born" at a time when ridiculously long wait times at WDW were beginning to make national news.

Disney had to react. Fast forward five or more years and here we are.

 

[jerseygal]

See, when people who knew the old fastpass system inside and out road Soarin 4 times a day, that meant that someone else didn't get to ride it at all. Disney wants those people to ride the rides, be satisfied with their visit, and come back. In this respect I completely see the point of FP+. I just wish allocation was more fair (30/60 days).

Same System at Universal when you stay on site at the three on site Universal Hotels with Express Pass!
IMO, good marketing strategy promotes on site resort stays!
In fact, MOST ON SITE GUESTS EXPECT preferences/perks like 60 days versus 30 days!

 

[mom2rtk]

See, when people who knew the old fastpass system inside and out road Soarin 4 times a day, that meant that someone else didn't get to ride it at all.

Actually the fact that said person wasn't at the park in line or pulling a FP is what kept them from getting to ride.

 

[IWannaBuildASnowman]

Actually the fact that said person wasn't at the park in line or pulling a FP is what kept them from getting to ride.

But that's my point. Most people don't know this stuff. Disney veterans do and could roll with the system and maximize it, but the average Joe on their first Disney trip wouldn't, and would as a result feel like they didn't get their money's worth and never come back. Disney wants everyone to come back, and that means the people who previously rode things 4 times can't do it anymore because other people are getting chances.

 

[Mambo Junkie]

It's long term planning. They know the parks reach a capacity beyond which they have to close the gates, basically. So they're building all these resorts and telling all these people to go to the parks, but if they try to go after lunch and the park is jammed and they have a terrible time or they can't even get in, they won't come back. But if they figure out a way to get people out of the parks more quickly, those people who come later in the day will have a good time and spread the word, meaning even more people will plan trips. This isn't about next Tuesday; it's about 2016, 2020, and even further out.

I read somewhere the number of times the parks have actually reached turn away capacity and it doesn't happen often. I also find it hard to believe that the powers that be would intentionally give people a negative experience in order to allow more people in. It's just bad business. If you give enough people a bad experience they just drop going unless they believe we are a group of masochists. Who will endure bad experiences in order to have a good time.