*Doing the Donald in 2010* Jan. Half Marathon Support Thread!

[liznboys]

So Charles, is this what you mean?
http://www.zensah.com/knee-sleeve.html

or maybe this kind?
http://www.runningwarehouse.com/descpage-FIZKNEE.html

 

[cewait]

the Running warehouse one seemes to have a neoprene in the material. That would provide the warmth. I like the pocket for ice also.

Though either one would work. I would not attempt to run in these without seeing a doc. If it is truely patellofemoral syndrome (Runner's Knee) you do not want compression on top of the patella during your runs. They will prescribe a patellofemoral type sleeve for use during activity with a donut or j-brace that attempts to pull the patella over during activities.

Something like one of these.
http://www.donjoy.com/index.asp/fuseaction/products.list/cat/4

Again, the ones you found are great for recovery and during the day. I will wear somethin like them on occation when I feel a slight case of tendonotis coming on.

 

[cewait]

"micro bleeds"...that gave me the willies!

Simply, any time you do work that grows muscle you are creating little micro bleeds. Part of who we are. When you are sore or have an injury these are feeding the inflamed area.

No need to freak Macro bleeds on the other hand ....

 

[CampbellScot]

I woke up with a bad cold. I can't breathe. How am I going to run like this?!

I know that missing one or two training runs isn't a huge deal...but I had H1N1 at the end of October...that downed me for two weeks nearly. Horrible horrible bug. Waking up this morning with a fever and a yucky cough has got me thinking the universe does think I am worthy of a Donald medal.

I am just afraid to give the half a try and end up getting swept b/c I've just been too sick over the last few months.

goodness I started the day whiny.

I must think positively.

I must.

I will.

I am.

but I still have a fever.

*sigh*

 

[cewait]

Don't know if this helps but running with a congested head is actually not all that bad. The Rule of Thumb - In the head go ahead, in the chest give it a rest.

I think I would bag it due to the fever.

We WILL see you in THREE WEEKS.

Remeber the WISH motto

 

[bunnyfoo]

the Running warehouse one seemes to have a neoprene in the material. That would provide the warmth. I like the pocket for ice also.

Though either one would work. I would not attempt to run in these without seeing a doc. If it is truely patellofemoral syndrome (Runner's Knee) you do not want compression on top of the patella during your runs. They will prescribe a patellofemoral type sleeve for use during activity with a donut or j-brace that attempts to pull the patella over during activities.

Something like one of these.
http://www.donjoy.com/index.asp/fuseaction/products.list/cat/4

Again, the ones you found are great for recovery and during the day. I will wear somethin like them on occation when I feel a slight case of tendonotis coming on.

Hope it's okay if I butt in with a question -- With these sleeves/braces, are they meant to help someone just run pain free or do they help to correct the situation. I get runner's knee from time to time. If the pain is really bad, I just take a few days off from running. My PT and I use strengthening/resistance exercises but would love if I could have something that would just get rid of it completely (or is that just wishful thinking)

 

[CampbellScot]

Don't know if this helps but running with a congested head is actually not all that bad. The Rule of Thumb - In the head go ahead, in the chest give it a rest.

I think I would bag it due to the fever.

We WILL see you in THREE WEEKS.

Remeber the WISH motto

Thanks for the boost!!!

I have allowed myself a day to sit on the couch and read. (Showing up at work with a fever is grounds for calling out the HAZMAT team!) But I'm only allowing for one day to be "sick". Then I'm back at it!! (I'm reading Julia Child's "My Life in France"...now THAT is a lady who lived every second of her life with enthusiasm!!!) Love it!!!

 

[cewait]

Hope it's okay if I butt in with a question -- With these sleeves/braces, are they meant to help someone just run pain free or do they help to correct the situation. I get runner's knee from time to time. If the pain is really bad, I just take a few days off from running. My PT and I use strengthening/resistance exercises but would love if I could have something that would just get rid of it completely (or is that just wishful thinking)

Think of these things like you would a crutch. At most they are meant to be temporary. I hate to see regular runners out and about with these things long term. It creates a dependency that is hard to break. As with everything, there are exceptions. If you were to head to the doc today and they come in with a sleeve/brace and say wear this while running AND you are within a couple months of an “A” event like the Disney weekend, then by all means wear it. But once the race is over stick it far back in the closet and work to strengthen the leg muscle!

Your PT IS on the correct tact. Creating and balancing muscle around the knee is the solution. They will get rid of the issue except for an occasional issue. Though (not saying anything bad about the PT) you really need to grow past the PT. Their orientation is to rehab an injury by taking baby steps to start you on the path to recovery. Once you rehab you need to take it past the PT work and perform gym quality workouts. Some work will be the same but more intense. You are looking to strengthen the VMO (inner quad), the hamstring and glutes. This balances the muscle around the knee and prevents the outer quads from pulling the patella outward during the stride.

Hope this helps at a high level. There are lots of ways to strengthen the leg muscle and I really should also speak to core and stability work. Strong legs help the knee but if you are running and hit a hole the stability and core work also help keep you from injury.

 

[french lady]

Oh boy, was it ever cold this morning for my long run. Minus 10F and wind from the north. During the whole run I was saying to myself if I survive and they don't find me frozen on the road, I am ready for Donald. I had 3 layers for the top but my legs were frozen after 15 minutes: I have to find warmer pants.
So I was supposed to run-walk 18k but I stopped at 16k when I arrive at home. The powergel was frozen and also the water. One more long run and that will be it before taper time.
Now I have to decide what I will bring at Disney. I guess if the weather is in the 50', I will be in shorts and short sleeve.
21 days and I will be at Disney.

Diane

 

[bunnyfoo]

Thanks for the advice Charles! My PT is also a personal trainer so when I first started seeing him back in 2008, it was for rehab. We gradually transitioned to into training so we do a lot of weights, cardio and weight exercises, plyo and strength training. I'm not too sure about stability work but then again I often get confused as to which category an exercise falls into. Deadlifting, jumping rope, kettlebells, ladder exercises are pretty obvious -- chin ups, push ups, burpees, squats, lunges I'm not too sure.

My recent bout of knee pain, we think was caused by the new chairs at work. They're pretty bad but not much can be done about them.

 

[cewait]

Thanks for the advice Charles! My PT is also a personal trainer so when I first started seeing him back in 2008, it was for rehab. We gradually transitioned to into training so we do a lot of weights, cardio and weight exercises, plyo and strength training. I'm not too sure about stability work but then again I often get confused as to which category an exercise falls into. Deadlifting, jumping rope, kettlebells, ladder exercises are pretty obvious -- chin ups, push ups, burpees, squats, lunges I'm not too sure.

Cool...

Plyo can be a form of stability since you are spotting a landing spot and position. We use the upside down bosu ball for stability work. W start rounded side up with squats then move to single leg squats. Once there we prgress to squats flat side up and work towards single leg squats. The add a dumbell to really work the core. This guy goes deeper into a single leg squat than anyone I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJrCZYV2Q-Y&feature=related

Send this video to your trainer and tell them you want to get there.

Oh, the really fun ones - chin ups, push ups, burpees, squats, lunges - weight work, just using your body weight. If thery become easy you can always add weight (weight plate btween shoulder blades on pushes, dumbells for squats and lunges) and you can add movement to lunges by walking from lunge to lunge.

 

[DreamWeaver2002]

I just found out horrible news---DH and I are not going to be able to go to the 1/2 in January. We signed up last Feb. and have been planning and now due to the "bad economy" we can't swing the trip I called to see about cancelling and they said that even if we cancel, we can't get any of the entrance fee back. That is bad, but I can deal with it, but we also prepaid for t-shirts and pins and they will not refund that money or send the products. How do I get them? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

 

[pjstevens]

I just found out horrible news---DH and I are not going to be able to go to the 1/2 in January. We signed up last Feb. and have been planning and now due to the "bad economy" we can't swing the trip I called to see about cancelling and they said that even if we cancel, we can't get any of the entrance fee back. That is bad, but I can deal with it, but we also prepaid for t-shirts and pins and they will not refund that money or send the products. How do I get them? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

Will they let a friend pick them up and give them to you (or if you aren't local to anyone, maybe send them to you)?

So sorry to hear this, as we've had such a rough year, and thankfully I've already paid for everything but our meals (so we'll be eating very cheaply, most likely off property) to make it.

 

[corinnak]

I just found out horrible news---DH and I are not going to be able to go to the 1/2 in January. We signed up last Feb. and have been planning and now due to the "bad economy" we can't swing the trip I called to see about cancelling and they said that even if we cancel, we can't get any of the entrance fee back. That is bad, but I can deal with it, but we also prepaid for t-shirts and pins and they will not refund that money or send the products. How do I get them? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

So sorry you won't be able to make it this year. To get your stuff, here is what you can do: You can have a friend who will be there pick up your packet and shirt if you send them a signed waiver and a copy of your photo ID. I would hope they would also let this person pick up your merchandise and send it to you. Obviously there is a bit of trust involved, so if you have a good friend who is planning on attending, that is your best bet. I had a WISH teammate pick up my packet for me at the Race for the Taste since my plane got in later in the day, so I read up on it for that. Hope it helps!

 

[ultramickeymouse]

Disney will allow someone else to pickup her packets and pins. The person will need a signed waiver, a copy of your drivers license, and a note stating this person is allowed to pickup all of this stuff.

Disney will not it to be mailed.

 

[DreamWeaver2002]

Will they let a friend pick them up and give them to you (or if you aren't local to anyone, maybe send them to you)?

So sorry to hear this, as we've had such a rough year, and thankfully I've already paid for everything but our meals (so we'll be eating very cheaply, most likely off property) to make it.

Thank you all for your quick answers! I don't know anyone that will be running that lives near-by us, so if anyone is willing to pick up my packet (I would pay shipping if you don't live near us) please private messege me!!! The people on DISBoards are so amazing! May we all get a little pixie dust in 2010!!!

 

[lindybug]

Hi all,

I'm joining in the fun. This will be my second WDW half. I ran back in 2008 with a time of 2:27.

Since then, I've had a baby, moved across the country twice, and put on about 25 pounds. I've had some setbacks during training, including a broken toe, sprained foot, and bruised rib. I've been able to get in some long runs, up to 8 miles, but my weekday training runs have not been very consistent. I'm hoping for one more long run of 10 miles before the race.

Still, I'm hoping to take home another Donald medal in a few weeks!

Keep up the hard work everyone!

 

[liznboys]

Good afternoon all! Well I did a walk/run this morning with my cranky knee. I felt my knee with every step. ick. But it doesn't feel worse, so far anyway.

I used my new Garmin and it is so cool!! I just love that thing! It gave me my pace for each mile and I was surprised to see how close they were:
Mile 1 walk: 14:11
Mile 2 run: 10:49
Mile 3 run: 10:51
Mile 4 walk: 14:13

It'll be fun to see my paces on a longer run. My plan is to run on Sunday.

Charles~ Thanks for the knee sleeve info and advice. It's a big help.
Oh and even if those micro bleeds are normal when it comes to building muscle, they still give me the willies. lol

CampbellScot~ I'm sorry you're sick. Feel better! You aren't alone in facing obstacles on the way to Donald...we can do this though!!!!

Diane~ I cannot imagine running in such cold weather. Frozen water and Powergel?! Oh man that is cold. You are an inspiration!

Vicky~ I'm sorry you have knee pain too.

DreamWeaver2002~ I'm so sorry you have to cancel. You should post a new thread to find someone who lives near you. You'll get more views/replies that way! Good luck!!

Lindy~ Welcome! I'm sorry about your injuries. Good luck with training, keep us posted!

 

[Ronda93]

Lindy - welcome! Ow!

liznboys - I love my Polar, but when it gives out I'll replace it with a Forerunner 305. The GPS technology has gotten so much better. Good luck with your knee.

DreamWeaver2002 - bummer. Near is relative. I'm in Kansas City. PM me if you need to.

Diane - yikes!

AFM - I did 10 miles yesterday. Waited until the sun was up and headed out. The route had a few rolling hills and I felt challenged. A little soreness yesterday afternoon (I returned to my desk and worked). I think sitting after the longer runs may be a bad thing. Today my legs feel fine. A little tightness in the hamstring, but I'm stretching after walking the dog tonight. As all GOOD runners do!

Ronda

 

[liznboys]

Well dare I say it... I think my knee is feeling better today. How can that be that it feels better the day after I walk/run on it for the first time in a week?! Doesn't make sense to me, but I'll take it! I just hope, hope, hope that it continues to get better while I continue to train. Pleeeeeeease!!!!!

So did everyone see the Marathon Weekend brochure is posted now?:
http://adisneyworldsports.disney.go...urSports/PDF/Endurance/WDWMarathonProgram.pdf

And the course on google earth?:
http://disneyworldsports.disney.go.com/dwws/en_US/info/detail2?name=MarathonMapDetailPage

I got excited butterflies in my belly when I read through the brochure and scrolled my way through the course. Whatever I may be dealing with (injury) on race day, I KNOW it's going to be such a blast. I'm so excited!!

Hi Ronda! Great job on your 10 yesterday! Yeah I've definitely figured out too that sitting still after long runs is not the way to go. Have to keep on moving! It'll be easy to do that after the half though... Jenny and I will be doing MK the rest of that day. woohoo What are your plans that day?