Does your State do this?

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm pretty sure AZ is one of the states that tried implementing a law excluding vertical licenses from the list of acceptable proof of age for those 21+. I think it was AZ and TX, but I'm not 100% sure on that. I caught an article about it in some travel group or another when one of the states added an exemption for out-of-state visitors because the policy was negatively impacting tourism venues due to other states having different policies that don't replace the vertical license immediately when the holder turns 21.

That would be silly to do that in my state where you aren't required to get a new license the moment you turn 21 if your license expires beyond your 21st birthday. If the state didn't allow for that then a law like that would make sense but if you are legally allowed to keep using a license past age 21 until it's expiration date (or in other words they allow for an expiration date beyond the person's 21st birthday) then you should be legally allowed to continue using it.

This is how it works in my state "All licenses will expire on the applicant's 21st birthday, regardless of how near or how far away that birthday might be." But there's several caveats. Here's the one that would apply to the scenario we're talking about.

(they use the example under an FAQ):

 

[piglet1979]

There's generally been no requirement to go in person in my state unless it's required for one reason or another. I had my driver license renewed by mail for years, and I kept the same photo that was taken when I was in my 20s for about 20 years. They finally sent a renewal saying I had to come in person for a new photo. I could have renewed by mail or online the last time, but wanted to get a Real ID compliant DL so I had to come in person with the proof of legal status (could be a birth certificate, passport, or green card) and they took a new photo. However, my wife didn't feel like going in to get a Real ID version (she has a passport and passport card anyways) so she just renewed online.

That would be so nice. We have to get a new picture and do the eye test every 4 years.

 

[sam_gordon]

I just looked it up. In ky they expire 90 days after the 21st birthday.

Thanks. You saved me the trouble!

 

[Lilsia]

Where we are I believe it is the same for everyone no matter the age can only get the driver’s license that is the Real ID and they give a piece of paper to carry with you as your temporary one until you get it in the mail. Hopefully your state does that. You can ask if the person does not give her anything before you leave explaining the situation. We were fortunate when my DH and DM both had to renew this past Nov and Dec they each made an appointment on a Thursday morning which we heard was the least busy day and got it either on Monday or Tuesday even though were told could take a few weeks. Good luck!

I am more concerned that the TSA won't accept the paper temporary one.

 

[Lilsia]

You may still be able to go in person to get the replacement? Sometimes its just a very long wait. Not sure if you can do that?

So even if you go in person, it still takes the same amount of time for them to mail you your license. They said that it comes from somewhere out of State.

 

[Lilsia]

For those whose kids licenses are expiring on their 21st is it that all licenses expire on the 21st in the state or is it just timing? Meaning they got their license at 16 with a 5 year expiration or 17 with a 4 year expiration for example?

Georgia has a renewal period of 8 years so there is no way a license would ever expire on someone's 21st.

Ours is that they will all expire on their 21st birthday, no matter when you get it.

 

[Marrila]

I am more concerned that the TSA won't accept the paper temporary one.

TSA accepts temporary licenses.

 

[Lilsia]

TSA accepts temporary licenses.

That is good to know. That was my main concern. My daughter just wants to be able to buy her own alcohol. Priorities. LOL

 

[mrodgers]

My guess would be to get into bars and buy booze.

I assume, but then I wonder why it appears that mom condones that.

 

[AgentMama]

I assume, but then I wonder why it appears that mom condones that.

Why wouldn't a parent condone her adult, legal aged child to be able to go to a bar and have a drink?

 

[Sinder]

Our state does the vertical and horizontal thing too. This past fall my ds went in 3 weeks before his 21st to renew. They issued a temp that would have been valid if he presented it with his expired picture ID.
Not sure if bouncers at bars would accept it though

 

[Kae]

OK, I'll bite. Why would she have her sister's ID?

Yup, that's why I had my sisters.

My guess would be to get into bars and buy booze.

That's why I had my sisters

 

[AppleDumpling]

In New York, everyone’s license expires on their birthday and is good for 8 years, with the exception of your first license (see below). You can renew in person, by mail, or online. You can keep your old photo, but if you renew online or by mail, must submit proof of passing an eye exam. You can renew any time up to one year before the expiration date.

Ours is that they will all expire on their 21st birthday, no matter when you get it.

Same here. As per the state DMV website, if you renew 40 days or less before your 21st birthday, the new license is issued without the “Under 21” designation.

 

[mjkacmom]

Yup, that's why I had my sisters.

That's why I had my sisters

Dd19 had dd21’s, ds19 had ds23’s, they all look alike, dd20 doesnt have a sibling doppelgänger. The rest of their fakes were ordered online and several taken at bars fortunately dd20 turns 21 in weeks

 

[GAN]

Different situation, but my daughter had lost her license and got the replacement(paper) right before our trip to Disney a few years ago. She was 24 at the time -most places at Disney didn't question her but she did get rejected at a couple places on property -even though she had a photo id to go with the paper temporary.

 

[bcla]

So even if you go in person, it still takes the same amount of time for them to mail you your license. They said that it comes from somewhere out of State.

Depends on the state. All the data (including a digital photo) can be transmitted electronically now, so it's easy enough to contract with an out of state company to print out the cards. In California, the contract went to L-1 Identity Solutions, which is the same company that produces US passport cards. Not sure if the driver licenses are shipped from the contractor (like with US passport cards), or if they set up the state with the equipment to print in house (like with US passport books). All I know is that the return address is still in Sacramento, but there's nothing that seems to indicate where it was actually mailed from since it just uses a bulk mail permit.

Seems like a far cry from my first driver license in the 80s. Back then, my state's driver licenses were printed on photo paper. It took time because the photo was actually a composite photo of all my info on a sheet of paper (with my signature) placed in a special camera that also captured the standard DMV frame and my headshot. Then they sent the negative to Sacramento for processing and printing before it was mailed out to me. By the time I got my first driver license, they had switched to dot-matrix printers. And on the back it said "THIS PAPER MANUFACTURED BY KODAK".

 

[bcla]

That would be so nice. We have to get a new picture and do the eye test every 4 years.

I don't know what the rules are for when an in-person renewal is required. I do get that if someone has enough points, the DMV might require the driver to come in to take another behind the wheel driving test. There might be other situations that may require another eye test. I think that I'd more or less run out of renewals where they'd just reuse my old photo.

There was a huge rush for Real ID compliant IDs too back in 2019, before that requirement got delayed. It was really tough too as DMV appointments were hard to come by, and standby wait times were as high as 6-8 hours. I just went to my closest DMV office with what I though was a great appointment time just at opening time on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Saw a bunch of people in line, with and without appointments about 15 minutes before opening time. Didn't see anyone inside though but maybe they were waiting in back. Didn't see any kind of sign at the door mentioning special hours or closures (not even Thanksgiving Day), and the regular sign showed that this location had Saturday hours. Then I checked on my phone with California DMV website. It said that all offices would be closed the entire Thanksgiving weekend and they would reopen on Monday. Sigh.

I really needed it so I went without an appointment the next week and waited in line about two hours. I mentioned the SNAFU with my appointment, although I didn't get a response other than sorry about that.

 

[Lilsia]

Depends on the state. All the data (including a digital photo) can be transmitted electronically now, so it's easy enough to contract with an out of state company to print out the cards. In California, the contract went to L-1 Identity Solutions, which is the same company that produces US passport cards. Not sure if the driver licenses are shipped from the contractor (like with US passport cards), or if they set up the state with the equipment to print in house (like with US passport books). All I know is that the return address is still in Sacramento, but there's nothing that seems to indicate where it was actually mailed from since it just uses a bulk mail permit.

Seems like a far cry from my first driver license in the 80s. Back then, my state's driver licenses were printed on photo paper. It took time because the photo was actually a composite photo of all my info on a sheet of paper (with my signature) placed in a special camera that also captured the standard DMV frame and my headshot. Then they sent the negative to Sacramento for processing and printing before it was mailed out to me. By the time I got my first driver license, they had switched to dot-matrix printers. And on the back it said "THIS PAPER MANUFACTURED BY KODAK".

Right, so what they do here is that even if you go in before the 10 days ahead of your birthday, they said that the information does not get sent until the 10 day mark. So going in won't be any faster then renewing online. My main concern was getting onto the plane if her license does not show up since her old one will be expired by 2 days. Seems like such a hassle for something so silly that only helps those who serve alcohol.

 

[mrodgers]

Why wouldn't a parent condone her adult, legal aged child to be able to go to a bar and have a drink?

...illegally using her sister's ID.

You forgot that part.

 

[mrs. magoo]

OK, I'll bite. Why would she have her sister's ID?

Her sister is 23 and it was the best $17 I ever spent so she could have an ID for the fall to get into bars with her friends. She just used it this past fall. At one point they were both in the same city for a concert so her sister was in 2 different bars at the same time. We are still waiting for her ID which is causing her more anxiety.