Does your State do this?

[kymom99]

Her sister is 23 and it was the best $17 I ever spent so she could have an ID for the fall to get into bars with her friends. She just used it this past fall. At one point they were both in the same city for a concert so her sister was in 2 different bars at the same time. We are still waiting for her ID which is causing her more anxiety.

Her sister has 2 iDs?

 

[kdonnel]

Her sister has 2 iDs?

It's easy.

1. Older sister "loses" one by giving it to her younger sister and orders a new id.
2. Younger sister parties likes it's 1999 and she's 21
3. Profit!

 

[bcla]

Her sister has 2 iDs?

It's not illegal to have two IDs in many states, although it is very illegal to attempt to use someone else's ID. Once I couldn't find my DL and got a replacement. But it was later found (my wife wanted it for an application for something or another, she didn't return it, and later claimed she didn't remember about it. I don't believe it was illegal to have both as long as it was ordered in good faith. The replacement also was only valid up to the same expiration date, so if I'd lost it a year before expiration I'd have to pay the same replacement fee.

 

[mjkacmom]

It's easy.

1. Older sister "loses" one by giving it to her younger sister and orders a new id.
2. Younger sister parties likes it's 1999 and she's 21
3. Profit!

Yep, when I turned 21 my mom asked me to lose mine and get another so my younger sister could have mine.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Why wouldn't a parent condone her adult, legal aged child to be able to go to a bar and have a drink?

Even as lenient as my mom was she would have totally not been down for me to use a fake ID or someone else's ID for the purpose of drinking in public. Or rather it wasn't that important for me to drink for me to do that even if I was 21.

Granted though my mom wouldn't have really been involved in my decision making nor signing off on my decisions at that age anyways.

 

[kdonnel]

Yep, when I turned 21 my mom asked me to lose mine and get another so my younger sister could have mine.

My son reports he has had some success using his CPR certification card. ID checks are apparently very lax in Athens GA.

 

[MamaMermaid]

Georgia has vertical and horizontal licenses.

But the vertical ones can still be used to purchase booze once you reach 21.

No idea on the timelines for renewal.

This is true of FL as well!

 

[mjkacmom]

Even as lenient as my mom was she would have totally not been down for me to use a fake ID or someone else's ID for the purpose of drinking in public. Or rather it wasn't that important for me to drink for me to do that even if I was 21.

Granted though my mom wouldn't have really been involved in my decision making nor signing off on my decisions at that age anyways.

It’s not about drinking alcohol, it’s about going out. The drinking age was raised a couple of years before I turned 18, NYC was still 19 and pretty lax, we’d go clubbing every weekend starting at 16. Even my legal kids pregame before going to bars, drinks are expensive here (taking public transportation/Uber, this generation, at least the young adults I know, are very anti drinking and driving).

 

[mrs. magoo]

It’s not about drinking alcohol, it’s about going out. The drinking age was raised a couple of years before I turned 18, NYC was still 19 and pretty lax, we’d go clubbing every weekend starting at 16. Even my legal kids pregame before going to bars, drinks are expensive here (taking public transportation/Uber, this generation, at least the young adults I know, are very anti drinking and driving).

This is exactly the point. I truly believe that 21 is not a reasonable drinking age. I think 19 is a better age. The ID allowed her to go to bars with her friends who were 21. She did not purchase a fake ID like many of her other friends and this summer her sister "lost" her ID and my daughter was able to go out with her friends. My daughter is usually the DD and just wants to hang with her older friends. My kids will tell you I am not a lenient mother but I did not see why she should not be allowed to hang with her friends at a bar. Her and her sister look like twins so it worked out perfectly. Like I said for my daughter's mental health it was the best $17 ever spent. Of course now that she is 21 her ID still has not come.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It’s not about drinking alcohol, it’s about going out. The drinking age was raised a couple of years before I turned 18, NYC was still 19 and pretty lax, we’d go clubbing every weekend starting at 16. Even my legal kids pregame before going to bars, drinks are expensive here (taking public transportation/Uber, this generation, at least the young adults I know, are very anti drinking and driving).

It would be the same for whatever the activity is (whatever requires age to be verified, or an ID that is still considered valid to be given). And the cost of stuff um doesn't matter. Not like NYC has the corner market on costs.

I was just saying even as lax as my mom was she wouldn't be down for me using a fake id or someone else's ID. Don't mistake that to mean underage drinking didn't occur. I'm not trying to portray that the stuff didn't happen, we pre-gamed, we did a lot of stuff although no one I knew used fake IDs or someone else's IDs we just employed other things and we didn't go into bars when they were aged 21 and up or clubs, etc.

However the conversation wasn't sparked by what people do or did in their youths which is an entirely different thing but rather what the parent's role was. My mom even as lax as she was totally wouldn't have been like "give your sister your ID so she can go clubbin'" heck to the no. Although like I said it's not like my mom would have even been involved in that stuff at that age with me.

FTR my mom grew up in the time where it was legal at age 18, her mom (my grandmother) used to throw parties. That fact alone doesn't mean my mom was like "yeah it's dumb it's 21 do whatever you want, in fact you need to get a fake ID no biggie". YMMV (which is sorta the point given that some people see no issues and other people were questioning the parent's nonchalance or downright encouragement).

 

[mjkacmom]

It would be the same for whatever the activity is (whatever requires age to be verified, or an ID that is still considered valid to be given). And the cost of stuff um doesn't matter. Not like NYC has the corner market on costs.

I was just saying even as lax as my mom was she wouldn't be down for me using a fake id or someone else's ID. Don't mistake that to mean underage drinking didn't occur. I'm not trying to portray that the stuff didn't happen, we pre-gamed, we did a lot of stuff although no one I knew used fake IDs or someone else's IDs we just employed other things and we didn't go into bars when they were aged 21 and up or clubs, etc.

However the conversation wasn't sparked by what people do or did in their youths which is an entirely different thing but rather what the parent's role was. My mom even as lax as she was totally wouldn't have been like "give your sister your ID so she can go clubbin'" heck to the no. Although like I said it's not like my mom would have even been involved in that stuff at that age with me.

FTR my mom grew up in the time where it was legal at age 18, her mom (my grandmother) used to throw parties. That fact alone doesn't mean my mom was like "yeah it's dumb it's 21 do whatever you want, in fact you need to get a fake ID no biggie". YMMV (which is sorta the point given that some people see no issues and other people were questioning the parent's nonchalance or downright encouragement).

My mom and dad did not approve of hanging out, you want to go to a bar, fine, a party, fine, drive around aimlessly, no, walk the main Ave, no, go to a dance or sporting event, yes. They were very involved in our community, board of education, tons of committees, social events -rarely home. Of course, I lied a lot about what I was doing… No cellphones then, so it was harder to find out the score of the basketball game I was supposed to be at.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My mom and dad did not approve of hanging out, you want to go to a bar, fine, a party, fine, drive around aimlessly, no, walk the main Ave, no, go to a dance or sporting event, yes. They were very involved in our community, board of education, tons of committees, social events -rarely home. Of course, I lied a lot about what I was doing… No cellphones then, so it was harder to find out the score of the basketball game I was supposed to be at.

On the honesty part we agree, it's not like I was the most honest about things, what kid truly is 100% of the time. In our circle we did DD's and staying over at people's homes for the most part. In truth I drank far more before I was 21 than I have after that. But no way would my mom be advocating or fine with us using someone else's ID. Geez be more inventive in your illegal activities (regardless of being of age or not) is probably how she would approach it.

 

[mrodgers]

Wow, I will think quite differently of some folks the next time I see them posting about other people breaking the laws. Wow!

 

[adkkev]

Wow, I will think quite differently of some folks the next time I see them posting about other people breaking the laws. Wow!

Laws and rules are for “other people” ya know.

 

[bcla]

On the honesty part we agree, it's not like I was the most honest about things, what kid truly is 100% of the time. In our circle we did DD's and staying over at people's homes for the most part. In truth I drank far more before I was 21 than I have after that. But no way would my mom be advocating or fine with us using someone else's ID. Geez be more inventive in your illegal activities (regardless of being of age or not) is probably how she would approach it.

It's actually a crime in some states. Many impersonation laws require an attempt to defraud someone. Not sure if trying to pass off a fake ID from being underage is attempting to defraud the establishment. However, people have served jail time for that sort of thing.

 

[mrs. magoo]

I know that I have completely derailed this thread with my opinions on IDs and the drinking age. My kids are pretty well behaved kids who I think make good decisions but they are away at college so I am not checking up on them. Almost all of my son's friends who are 18 and 19 have fake IDs. My son does not because he is a big boy and he could not get one that looks like him or he would have one. The drinking age being 21 is so difficult to police. There is so much underage drinking and I agree once you reach 21 the thrill is gone.

 

[mrs. magoo]

Wow, I will think quite differently of some folks the next time I see them posting about other people breaking the laws. Wow!

I break the law everyday. I rarely drive the posted speed limit. If I get caught I am not going to argue. If my kids get caught with the ID - they will have consequences.

 

[mom2rtk]

Even as lenient as my mom was she would have totally not been down for me to use a fake ID or someone else's ID for the purpose of drinking in public. Or rather it wasn't that important for me to drink for me to do that even if I was 21.

Granted though my mom wouldn't have really been involved in my decision making nor signing off on my decisions at that age anyways.

Yeah, I wasn't naive enough to think my kids wouldn't try drinking before they were 21. But no way was I going to be involved in helping them out. Most of my daughter's friends had fake IDs but as far as I knew she never bought one. Just didn't want to spend the money. I wasn't going to care if she did, but I wasn't going to facilitate it.

 

[Sinder]

Yeah, I wasn't naive enough to think my kids wouldn't try drinking before they were 21. But no way was I going to be involved in helping them out. Most of my daughter's friends had fake IDs but as far as I knew she never bought one. Just didn't want to spend the money. I wasn't going to care if she did, but I wasn't going to facilitate it.

My dd didn't get one in college for the same reason. That isn't to say she didn't use someone else's ID to get into bars, they had a system where some girls would go in, then one would come back out with the IDs for the girls waiting outside.

I met my dh when was out using a fake ID, all my kids know the story. Not much I can say to them about using one themselves. I only have one left under 21 and as far as I know he doesn't have one.

 

[Lilsia]

I don't mind the spin off of the thread. The whole 21 drinking age, and just how many Americans look at drinking is a bit whack. IMO I was raised, and raised my kids to be exposed to alcohol from around junior high age. Nothing like shot of vodka or anything like that, but 1 wine cooler or a mixed drink that was 99% juice. As they got older, they could have more. But it was always at home with us there to monitor. It is legal in my State to have your kids drink at home. My oldest will be 21, hence the post, and we are going to WDW where she wants the experience of buying a Tokyo Sunset herself. She is not planning on going out and getting crazy drunk like a lot of 21 yo do because she does not feel the need for it. My girls look absolutely nothing alike so we would never be in the situation of them sharing ID's. I think that what I would do is explain the consequences if they got caught and it would depend on how they handle themselves. If they just go and hang out and not get crazy drunk, then I would be fine with it. I can see my youngest getting a fake ID to just hang out with her older friends. She actually does not really like to drink.