Does this make any sense??

[roymccoy]

I hold the firm position that satan loves to cut and paste.

Roy

 

[roymccoy]

I decided (after MUCH debate) to buy my 3 year old a pass for two reasons:

1) My wife and I renewed in December of 2001 and without my daughter having a pass, ours would be useless.

2) We only have one child so our pain was minimized.

I am talking especially about families with 2,3,4 or more kids. Are they going to be able to afford passes for
the whole family? I am assuming that Disney sells a discounted child's one day pass to get parents to bring their families to the park. Also, it could be argued that they give a discount because three year olds don't use very much of the park or as much of the park as their adult parents. Hey, I don't need to convince Disney to have a lower price point for child's AP's...they already do it at WDW. I'm just looking for a little consistency. Also, I DO think that Disney has shot themselves in the foot by not having a child's AP
rate. The whole reason for the 2-park pass is to try to get families to come and they have priced out a lot of families. You watch, they'll change their minds when they finally figure out the problem. I'm just saying that the mistake didn't have to be made in the first place.

Roy

 

[WDW2002]

Originally posted by roymccoy
am talking especially about families with 2,3,4 or more kids. Are they going to be able to afford passes for the whole family?

I honestly do not think the $25 (15% just like WDW) per AP is going to keep many families from purchasing AP's. I know for me it wouldn't.

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

<font color=navy>As a single mom of two kids, who are my dependents, whether they are 3 or 13, yes, if it's important enough to our family to save for a year's entertainment, then we'll pay for the AP.

 

[year2late]

I may not be Satan with my cut and paste, but I am certainly bound for Hell on a bus.

Originally posted by roymccoy
1) My wife and I renewed in December of 2001 and without my daughter having a pass, ours would be useless.

It would not be useless, you could buy her a single day ticket....yes......at the child's discount rate.

 

[roymccoy]

but is it FAIR to pay the same for a 3 year old as opposed to an adult. Is it fair for there to be a discount for a children's AP at WDW but not here? Is it fair to pay less for a child's ticket but more for an AP? Why does Disney think that children who are there for one day use less of the park and deserve a 25% discount but somehow a 3 year old with an AP uses as much of the park as an adult. It's not fair...and they'll end up changing the policy. This is the same idiocy that was going on when they screwed up the AP's for DCA and DL. Remember? They got rid of the DL AP altogether. They had no 2-park hopper pass and you couldn't add DCA on to your existing AP. That was a fiasco and now they're having to take deep cuts in prices just to lure us back when the problem was seen by almost everybody BUT Disney at the time. They should have a stable, fair policy with fair prices from the beginning. DCA isn't worth $43 so don't charge $43. Child AP's should be at the same discount rate as tickets are. If Disney would get a fair and equitable ticket pricing structure going, then they wouldn't have to keep making all of these concessions (free tickets, $33 tickets, etc.) later on.

I'm not going to pay the same price for 1/2 pound of butter as I do for a pound of butter. That's what they are asking us to do. Pay the same for less.

Roy

 

[roymccoy]

buy her a single day ticket every time we went to DL? Obviously, we are stuck with an AP but it's still not fair.

Roy

P.S. Hell on a Bus...that would be a great replacement for Superstar Limo! (wouldn't have to make any changes!)

 

[year2late]

Originally posted by roymccoy
but is it FAIR to pay the same for a 3 year old as opposed to an adult. Is it fair for there to be a discount for a children's AP at WDW but not here? Is it fair to pay less for a child's ticket but more for an AP ?

Yes. It is fair. It is a consumer thing. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Would I like the child's to be less? Yup! Yesireebob! Did I buy the premium hopper pass for my child(who buy the way, only rides a few select rides)? Yes. Why? Because a great deal!!!!!!

 

[raidermatt]

I hold the firm position that satan loves to cut and paste.

Alright.

As year2late said, its not about "fairness". You, as the entertainment consumer, have the right to purchase your entertainment as you see fit. Disney, just like any other entertainment provider, has the right to charge whatever it wants.

Its only been a year since DLResort went from just a park to an actual resort. It does not have the scope of WDW, nor are the demographics of its guests the same. So it follows that there MAY be a need to price things differently. (Just look at single day tickets, $43 in Anaheim, $48 in Orlando)

If Disney would get a fair and equitable ticket pricing structure going, then they wouldn't have to keep making all of these concessions (free tickets, $33 tickets, etc.) later on.

So if they charged $33 from the beginning, they wouldn't have to charge $33 later?

Roy, its clear that you value what Disney is offering right now much lower than 99% of those who go there. Do you honestly think Disney should price their tickets based on what you declare is "fair"? And even with your disgust (shell of a park, stay away from DL), you bought the tickets. If you're willing to pay for the APs, then surely all of the families that are actually happy with Disney will still buy them. Given that, the only idiotic thing Disney could do would be to lower the APs more, even though their customers are willing to pay more.

 

[Thumper1]

Being an adult (a kid at heart though) I don't ride Dumbo or the Teacups or most of the Fantasyland rides, but I do spend a lot of time in Tomorrowland. I think I've seen a lot of kids in Fantasyland. So it might be possible that kids do ride as much, just different rides.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

To quote the first line af a speech that was (if what I heard was accurate) made by Bill Gates to a high school class in Visalia, CA: "Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it." It's a great speech, by the way.

I tell my kids all the time that life is not fair and if they want fair they should go to the fairgrounds. Just a corny mom's line.

Bottom line is that Disney thinks that they can get the same price for the passes. If they are wrong and there is a decrease in sales then they might change their mind. It's a business decision. Maybe if more people DIDN'T buy the pass for young children they would change their mind quicker.

I assume that you guestimated how many times your daughter would use her pass during the year and figured out that it was a better deal for your family to get her the pass. Otherwise you would have bought daily tickets.

Does Disney charge less for a person in a wheelchair? They might not be able to ride as many rides. I've been to WDW several times this year with a toddler and I wasn't able to do as many things as I would have liked because he was unable to sit through shows and wasn't big enough for some rides. They didn't charge me less. The baby swap was wonderful, but of course I didn't get to do the quantity of rides that I otherwise could have done. Of course I don't expect reduced rates in my situation, but I (and a lot of other people) could make the argument.

I'm afraid if Disney decides that the passes shouldn't cost the same that they will simply increase the cost of the adult passes. That would hurt a lot of families more than the current situation.

 

[year2late]

Nicely said T & B.

My feeling also was that if DLR wanted to have different priced passes they would have lessend the discount for the adult rather than deepend the discount for the child. As it is $199/premium and $149/Deluxe are great prices for either adult or child.

Our two local theme parks do not stagger their season pass prices as well.

If the passes do not sell, Disney well rethink matters.

 

[roymccoy]

at how much BS people will put up with from Disney. I just got caught up on this thread and it blows me away at how much "spinning" that some of you will do for Disney. The AP pricing structure is unfair...period. They have lower Child AP prices at WDW and a 25% discount on childrens one day passes at all of their parks. So now your argument is that "life isn't fair?" Didn't Hitler try to make that argument? That's Disney's new line?..."Come to Disneyland and pay full price for a kid...Life's Not Fair!!" I don't have a problem with a company making a profit...I have a problem with inconsistant pricing policies. Just like I think that it is unfair to offer drink refills at some locations in DL and DCA, but not all locations even though the drinks all cost $2.19. I don't care how you try to rationalize it...it's unfair. I ALSO don't understand WHY you'd want to rationalize it. If it's unfair, it's unfair. I disagree with Mr. Gates....life IS fair. All actions have an equal and opposite reaction. Simple physics. If Disney has an unfair AP policy, people will react by not buying as many AP's. At some board meeting along the way, someone will ask "How can we get more families to come to DL and DCA?" and the policy will be changed. Lately it seems that Disney is not innovating, they're plugging leaks and patching holes. I'm merely trying to point out that these errors in judgement are easy to see from inception and that Disney is thinking a little too "greedy."

The child's AP price at DLR is unfair. It will backfire on Disney. No amount of spin can change it.

Roy

 

[year2late]

It is not spin, Roy. My family and I are Premium Season Pass Holders and we are thrilled at the AP rates. I might suggest that your insinuation that we are putting a spin on it for the sake of Disney is your own brand of spin.

We bought our Premium APs and between what we normally would have paid for park hopper tickets and the discounts, the AP paid for itself on the first trip. Seeing as we plan to go back down at least 2 more times (3-4 days stints) we will be making out like crazy. When Disney dropped its AP prices they could have chosen to drop the Premium AP adult to $225 and the Child's to $199 - would that have satisfied you? I would have bought it at that price as well.

Comparing Disneys practices to the atrocities that Hitler was responsible is sick and twisted. I am begining to think you work for Universal.

I refuse to feel guilty because I am very happy with the pricing structure, the parks and the customer service. Is there room for improvement? Yup. But there has been room for improvement since the original park opened.

Like I have stated before, their policies are fair. Even if they charged $5 for a coffee at DL and $1 at DCA - it is fair. We are consumers, not hostages. We either buy (consume) or not, it is our choice. Fairness and Nazi Germany do not enter into the picture.

 

[Tink33]

Sure it makes cents Roy...oh that type of sense .

 

[benebire]

roy,

are you one of the cup is half empty kind of people, it sures seems that way. You seem angry that some of us still love Disney despite the shortcomings. could they improve? yes of course but what company/person is perfect? I respect yr right to yr opinion and hope you will do the same for the rest of us.

 

[roymccoy]

by my guns on this one. Not having a child's AP rate when there is a child's rate for EVERYTHING else at every Disney park is not fair. It's gouging, IMHO.

Now, as Forrest Gump so eloquently put it, "that's all I have to say about that."

Roy Roy Gump

 

[year2late]

I stand by my guns as well. you are a consumer, not a hostage. Don't consume.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

That's right, year2late, don't consume and then complain. Roy, if you hadn't of bought that pass for your daughter then you would have been taking a stand. Of course you bought it because you knew that it was financially better than the one day passes. Your choice.

Better to voice displeasure with Disney directly. I did that before a recent trip to WDW. I wasn't happy because they discontinued early opening for onsire guests. I showed my unhappiness be staying offsite since that was my main reason for staying onsite. Then I went down there and had a blast! I let Disney know of my complaint and didn't let that ruin my vacation.

I cetainly don't spin for Disney. We all are just giving our opinion. I assumed that is why you posted this topic on the discussion board. Or you could have stated that only those that agreed with you 100% should reply. The funny thing is that I do agree with you somewhat and am glad that WDW discounts their children's passes.

Life is clearly not fair if you look at all the crazy and sad things that happen to people who do not deserve it. And what in the heck does Hitler have to do with anything? We're talking theme parks, not mass killing.

But year2late, watch any Universal comments. We happen to love Universal!

T&B

 

[year2late]

Universal is great! I wholeheartedly agree.

I love both, but my heart is with DLR.