Does marriage counseling ever work?

Originally posted by missypie
But Mystery, that's my concern about counseling...because it IS about the cleaning (and cooking)...


I will give my example....I am the SAHM...DH is NOT a handyman, painter, fix it guy except for computers and cars.
I wasted years wanting him to fix, paint, etc...like all the other husbands.
Well we "GOT REAL" and admitted he HATES IT and now we hire people to do it.
Problem solved.

So "get real" WITH him and figure out a solution. As Dr. Phil says, everyone in your household needs to "get in the game" and figure out solutions.
Planned chores, shopping, menus, etc...Have you ever heard of Once a Month Cooking (OAMC)? Perhaps explore that?
Work toward solutions as a family.

If you guys cannot "GET REAL" this is where counseling will help.

I hope that makes sense.
 
Originally posted by missypie
Believe me, I explode about 4 times a year. I've tried calm and rational; I've tried blunt; I've tried "it isn't fair"; I've tried temper.

Is there anyone out there who, in the secrecy of a message board, will admit that they are plain lazy - not depressed, but really just preferring to let others do as much of the work as possible? If so, is it hard to live with yourself, or do you secretly feel good for getting others to do most of the work while you do very little?

Maybe it's our Judeo/Christian work ethic, but lazy seems to be one of the worst things you can call someone in America.
Missipie,

Please understand I feel your pain here, you are extremely frustrated and I understand that. BUT, exploding 4 times a year? Do you really think that would work? Relationships are like living breathing things. They require take constant tending to.

At the risk of using your own tactics against you, don't you think it is a bit lazy to just keep piling on resentment rather than taking action (if you have been feeling this way for years, then action really hasn't been taken except for complaining)? Aren't you being a matryr if you have spent years "doing it all" while you are at the very end of your rope and have little respect, admiration or feelings left for your husband? Did you think there would be awards for that?

You seem to have the impression that your husband secretly is using you so that he can get away with doing nothing. Is that really what you think of him? If so, why are you still married? Can you not see the human being inhim any longer? Are your feelings that dead? I can't see how you could say you have stayed for the children, you don't seem to think he is a very good role model. What are his redeeming qualities?

The things you have tired, haven't worked. You don't get 'points' for 'trying'. It isn't a game. If you are truly unhappy with the way things are, it is up to YOU to make a change here. Even if that is requires you making an ultimatim, getting separated, counselling, whatever. But, you have to be prepared for the fact that he isn't happy with you either or he would be trying to please you. And if he isn't happy, he also has the right to make it known how he will and will not live. Do you think you are meeting all of his needs? You may be surprised to find that you aren't.

If it sounds like I am pushing this all off on you, well, if he were here, I would be telling him the same things. I am not trying to be harsh. It sounds like you are in serious marital trouble and I just am trying to ask the tough questions that need to be asked. I hope you understand what I mean.

After all that you have said, I think it is critical that you try counselling. Obviously the way you BOTH are doing things ...isn't working. I hope that you both can get help and learn to be honest with eachother. And to overcome these issues. It will take both of you to work on this, you both need to work on things. You both are to 'blame' if you want to be 'fair'.
 
Originally posted by missypie

Is there anyone out there who, in the secrecy of a message board, will admit that they are plain lazy - not depressed, but really just preferring to let others do as much of the work as possible?

I'll admit it, I AM LAZY!!!!! But, more than being lazy, I HATE CLEANING HOUSE!!!! I love having a clean house, but I want to wiggle my nose and for everything to be clean. The problem in my house is my DH is the same way. Usually one of us will reach our breaking point and start cleaning and the other jumps right in. Don't get me wrong, our house is not dirty, but it always looks like a tornado just went through. Do I feel bad when DH comes home to dirty dishes and then does them after working 24 hours? Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Some nights I have been up all night and he got to sleep (in a bed, alone, with no kicking 2 year olds anywhere around). To keep the house "picked up" would take me less than an hour a day--even with a 2 year old and a 3 week old, I could find an hour a day. But, most days I just don't--I have no excuse!!

I would like to mention, I have not always been so lazy. I finished college in 3 years, while working full time--then I worked 2 jobs while in graduate school. Maybe I am just making up for lost time;)

I must go unload the dishwasher now (right now I am feeling bad about my lack of housecleaning::yes::

Christy
 
Maybe you need to tell us some positive things about your DH. What you like about him, love about him, hobbies/interests you share, what you do respect about him. Because, and I know this harsh, if my DH had the same disdain for me as you as you appear to have for your DH then we would have nothing left and I would divorce him in a second. And know, as the primary care giver I would be very likely be awarded custody, child support, and alimony. Unless you want life as you know it to change dramatically, I really think you need to start focusing on the positive and find a way to make the situation work for you. You can't change people, only the way you react to them. As much of a lazy slob you think he is, he may think you're an overcontrolling, uptight, neat freak. You won't know how he perceives the situation unless you thoroughly examine the entire marriage together.
 

sap1227...Me too!

yes I am lazy if now that I finally have some free time to myself, I do not fill it with cleaning.

But...unlike Missypie who works outside the home AND does the housework, my dh doesn't clean the house either...we just wait for me to get around to it.

I worked for 12+ years before becoming a SAHM and this is my theory....even though you are taken care of with your SO's paycheck, you do not get paid. There is just very little motivation for me to clean this darn house AGAIN just to have it trashed again. For those who work outside the home, don't you have days when you know you didn't give 100%? but you know if you keep that up, you'll get fired. Except for maybe divorce, you don't get fired for having a messy house. And I think my kids will remember our times together and not the state of the house (cause they certainly don't care about a mess now)

As for the original question, yes I'm sure it can help you focus and discuss your issues and maybe stay calmer with another person listening.

Good Luck!!!!

Vivienne
 















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