Does Disney "need" another moderate resort?

[FantasiaMagic]

Yes! That would be very nice and I agree w/ pp one that fits 5 adults! There are only 4 mods (5 counting FWL), but I would like to see another mod!

 

[maxiesmom]

For as nice as some posters think a resort built to hold 5 adults would be, I'm betting they wouldn't like the price IF Disney ever decided such a thing would be beneficial to them. And that won't happen.

If it was bigger Disney would charge more. And still most likely have the additional adult charge. By then you have already priced it up with the deluxe resorts, so what would be the point of it? A resort that cost as much as a deluxe but having the lesser amenities that a moderate resort has? Doesn't make sense.

 

[TandLMommy28]

You cannot design a resort with all the rooms for 5 adults at a standard design with two beds, one bathroom and one door. 5 adults in an entire resort cannot safely evacuate in one corridor without going to large suites.

As an architect, this cannot be done.

Also, to the OP, you can wish all you want, but it can no longer be a moderate if you accommodate larger parties. Then it becomes a deluxe, with larger spaces, more exits, and larger corridors to accommodate adults, not a combo of kids ans adults.

You. Can ask the question 60 days to Sunday, but it is still the same. Design of a hotel/resort falls to the mass market and any other party size does not make money for the stockholders. This is not a Motel 6.

The Holiday Inn we stayed at two weeks ago was almost entirely made up of rooms that slept six adults (two queens and a sleeper sofa, one door, one normal sized bathroom). Slightly larger than a regular room but not suites by any means. It surely can be done and I don't think anyone would consider a Holiday Inn to be up to deluxe standards. Disney could easily copy the floor plan of the hotel I stayed at, slap a theme on it and call it a mod that sleeps up to six adults in a non-suite room. How can you say it can't be done? It's done all the time everywhere but at Disney.

Whether or not it would be profitable to Disney as a mod is a different question. Disney would likely call it a deluxe and charge as much as possible even though it could easily be done at a mod level of amenities.

 

[Mkrop]

Yes! That would be very nice and I agree w/ pp one that fits 5 adults! There are only 4 mods (5 counting FWL), but I would like to see another mod!

They have those, they are called deluxes You just dont want to pay the price WDW has put on them. And WDW has done the research to know how to price their hotels.

The Holiday Inn we stayed at two weeks ago was almost entirely made up of rooms that slept six adults (two queens and a sleeper sofa, one door, one normal sized bathroom). Slightly larger than a regular room but not suites by any means. It surely can be done and I don't think anyone would consider a Holiday Inn to be up to deluxe standards. Disney could easily copy the floor plan of the hotel I stayed at, slap a theme on it and call it a mod that sleeps up to six adults in a non-suite room. How can you say it can't be done? It's done all the time everywhere but at Disney.

Whether or not it would be profitable to Disney as a mod is a different question. Disney would likely call it a deluxe and charge as much as possible even though it could easily be done at a mod level of amenities.

Every hotel I have ever stayed in with this setup is considered a suite, we just stayed at one for a family wedding and it was a considered a suite, Doubletree.

WDW heeded the call for more suites to accomodate larger families, they built AoA. But everyone is whining about the cost bc they want it to cost the same as a 4 person room at Pop or a Holiday Inn Once again WDW I am sure has countless cost analysts working on how much to price their rooms. They price them to fill them, if they find that the current pricing structure is not working then they will offer discounts or change the rack rate eventually. If the WDW resorts didnt have more to offer (and more can be subjective term) than people would not be clamoring to stay there vs staying at a DTD offsite hotel.

You need to look at how much offsite suite is and than compare the price to the onsite and the different amentities offered, are these worth the extra $. WDW thinks that people are willing to pay for those extras and they price accordingly!

 

[CammelleandBre]

YES!!!

 

[maxiesmom]

It surely can be done and I don't think anyone would consider a Holiday Inn to be up to deluxe standards. Disney could easily copy the floor plan of the hotel I stayed at, slap a theme on it and call it a mod that sleeps up to six adults in a non-suite room. How can you say it can't be done? It's done all the time everywhere but at Disney.

The poster you are referring to stated it couldn't be done if the room was set up with 2 beds, one bathroom, and one door. And Disney already has many suites with different set ups. The real issue is people want them to cost the same as a suite at the Holiday Inn, and that is just not going to happen.

 

[TandLMommy28]

She said it couldn't happen from an architectural standpoint due to evacuation needs. And I said that doesn't make any sense because there are plenty of hotels with one bathroom and one door that open into an inside corridor and sleep six that obviously meet evacuation requirements. That is what I questioned. Not the cost. It won't happen as a mod because WDW is never going to reasonably price a room that sleeps more than four.

AoA is a supposed value category with lower end deluxe prices. I don't think people are annoyed at the prices so much as they are at Disney calling it a value hotel. We have two rooms at POR for cheaper than one room at AoA. Some "value". Based on that, If Disney ever created a mod that slept 5 or 6 adults with mod level amenities, I could see it being as pricey as a Poly theme park view.

 

[Mkrop]

She said it couldn't happen from an architectural standpoint due to evacuation needs. And I said that doesn't make any sense because there are plenty of hotels with one bathroom and one door that open into an inside corridor and sleep six that obviously meet evacuation requirements. That is what I questioned. Not the cost. It won't happen as a mod because WDW is never going to reasonably price a room that sleeps more than four.

AoA is a supposed value category with lower end deluxe prices. I don't think people are annoyed at the prices so much as they are at Disney calling it a value hotel. We have two rooms at POR for cheaper than one room at AoA. Some "value". Based on that, If Disney ever created a mod that slept 5 or 6 adults with mod level amenities, I could see it being as pricey as a Poly theme park view.

The "value" for many are not having to get two rooms and having to worry about not getting connecting rooms. They can keep the whole family in one spot. They have a dining table etc. You are not getting that with two rooms at a value or mod.


ETA I think you should think aboout it in terms of flying say SW, you can get a cheaper flight but you dont get to choose your seat, for some this is no big deal and the price is just right. For others they do not like to "risk" not being able to pick their seat so they pay more for this service. You are paying to have the security of having your family all together.

 

[sjs314]

The "value" for many are not having to get two rooms and having to worry about not getting connecting rooms. They can keep the whole family in one spot. They have a dining table etc. You are not getting that with two rooms at a value or mod.


ETA I think you should think aboout it in terms of flying say SW, you can get a cheaper flight but you dont get to choose your seat, for some this is no big deal and the price is just right. For others they do not like to "risk" not being able to pick their seat so they pay more for this service. You are paying to have the security of having your family all together.

I totally agree with you about where the "value" is in the AOA Suites. Personally if I had a family of 5 I would stay at one of the Deluxe Resorts that sleep 5 CR, Poly, BC etc before paying for two rooms at a Mod. A room @ BC $385 vs POR @ $179 x 2 rooms = $358. A lion King Suite $ 265 a nite(Based on rack rate Nov 29). IMO a difference of $27 more a night the BC would win hands down over 2 Mod rooms and I am sure Disney has done their research and knows many think like I do.

 

[nkereina]

Even though there are more deluxe resorts, there are more moderate rooms to be had.

True, but I was referring to selection. For each individual family, people don't care about the number of rooms but which resort they want to try. You could stay at a different deluxe resort every trip for years but for the mods, there's only 4 to rotate between and if you are like me and not fond of CBR or POFQ, then that really limits selection

 

[sjs314]

True, but I was referring to selection. For each individual family, people don't care about the number of rooms but which resort they want to try. You could stay at a different deluxe resort every trip for years but for the mods, there's only 4 to rotate between and if you are like me and not fond of CBR or POFQ, then that really limits selection

Maybe by staying in the different sections of the Mod's would keep the newness alive. With the exception of POFQ they all have differently themed areas within the resort, POR with the AB & The Mansion and now even varied themed rooms within those resorts CBR has the Pirate Rooms and. POR has the Royal Rooms.

Deluxe resorts carry one theme throughout all their rooms and many return to the same resort year after year having fallen in love with a particular resorts theme

 

[reiella]

Dunno if they need another mod for capacity issues, but different theming maybe. But honestly, capacity needs to be what drives expansion of the resort space.

I think that may be why we're seeing themed rooms/areas within the moderates now to try to allow for new theming variance, without having to open another mod.

 

[Deb & Bill]

WL and AKL both are deluxe light or a bit fancier moderate. They don't have rooms that sleep five or more unless you book a more expensive room.
But if you want a single room that sleeps five, book a deluxe resort. There is no way you will get a moderate that sleeps five adults for the same price as a moderate that sleeps four.