Does anyone else not piling on the Concordia Captain

[extechie rbd/wdt]

Nope not a coward. No evidence of that at all just speculation. No law that a captain must remain with his ship. That phone call just shows a ranting coast guard officer and a man in shock and confused. He was not arguing with the cg at all.

No he didn't argue. And morally he should have stayed regardless of any law's.
He caused the accident, he was responsible, he should be the last off the vessel.

If you look at the timeline, when could they have launched the lifeboats while the ship was still moving during to its momentum.

People could have already been waiting and ready at the Muster stations or in those lifeboat's ready to launch when the ship was slow enough it was safe to do so.

I really cannot understand your defense or reasoning towards him DCLSecondChance, just excuses on his behalf for the reckless actions, deceit, bold faced lies and delay in following a pro-active procedure that have cost many lives.

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[EastYorkDisneyFan]

This story reminds me a lot of a similar disaster on a cruise ship of the coast of Africa that I saw a show on discovery about. The ship I think ran a ground to and lost all power and stared to sink, all of the officers except for the cruise director downed life jacket and left the ship. They told a passing freighter they were the only survivors. The cruise director was able to get in touch of the coat guard who were able to rescue everyone. The last person off was one of the passengers who was helping with the rescue.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Schettino was reckless, irresponsible and incompetent. My understanding, he can be tried under International and National laws. He's in even deeper doo with Italy's Maritime Law, because these laws are more direct. It states, a captain who abandons ship, before it sinks, while passengers are on board...faces up to 12 years in prison.


I listened to the transcript in Italian, that arrogant mule, should have been on board. I would have yanked him, off his butt ,and drug him onboard. No excuse, no excuse,... not one. He had no idea, how to handle the situation. This is a very sad story and It makes me ill.

He's very hated in Italy and will have a very unpleasant life, if he escapes going to prison....by some fluke. He should also be held responsible for each and every death.

 

[DCLSecondChance]

How exactly was he supposed to get back on board with a stream of survivors coming down? Where was he supposed to stand? The underwater bridge? Outside on the window?

Sorry I just do not hear him arguing with the CG.

One of the reasons I don't believe 90% of the things printed about the captain can be found in a new story started by the BBC that Costa is offering the survivors a full refund and 30% off a future cruise. This is false.

What Costa HAS offered is a full refund and 30% refund of the cruise price to be used on a future cruise for passengers that were supposed to board Concordia on 1/14 and beyond. As all Concordia sailings have been cancelled, all booked passengers have been offered this compensation.

This is a prime example of an embarrassing incorrect media desperate to be the first to report "facts".

 

[pxlbarrel]

How exactly was he supposed to get back on board with a stream of survivors coming down? Where was he supposed to stand? The underwater bridge? Outside on the window?

Sorry I just do not hear him arguing with the CG.

One of the reasons I don't believe 90% of the things printed about the captain can be found in a new story started by the BBC that Costa is offering the survivors a full refund and 30% off a future cruise. This is false.

What Costa HAS offered is a full refund and 30% refund of the cruise price to be used on a future cruise for passengers that were supposed to board Concordia on 1/14 and beyond. As all Concordia sailings have been cancelled, all booked passengers have been offered this compensation.

This is a prime example of an embarrassing incorrect media desperate to be the first to report "facts".

The deputy mayor of the island managed to get on a tender and get on the ship to help in the evacuation. In fact, he was on the ship for hours helping in the evacuation and he wasn't even on the ship when it hit the rock. If he could do it, how come the Captain couldn't? More to the point, why is the Captain off the ship in the first place?

 

[extechie rbd/wdt]

Sorry but you post in his defense is laughable!

Why would have he been off the ship in the first place?!?
Why did he leave the vessel? If it was to inspect the damage, then he should have sent a subordinate to do that.
He "was" the Master of the vessel and should have stayed aboard to coordinate the evac.
He jumped ship with no regard for anyone else, and the Staff Captain came along, leaving junior Officer's in charge and crew members to complete the evacuation, with him sitting pretty in his own boat away from the devastation he caused.
He didn't argue with the Coast Guard because he was in the wrong and replied like a child being told off.
He knew he was in the wrong but just tried to come up with excuses as to why he didn't need to go back aboard!

Whilst you continue to dispute the media report's, (who give's a ** about refund's and how much off a future cruise when you have just escaped a certain death if not for the crew member's continuing to do their safety duty after their Captain, the leader ran off) but you won't address the recorded phone and radio communications?

Ex Techie

How exactly was he supposed to get back on board with a stream of survivors coming down? Where was he supposed to stand? The underwater bridge? Outside on the window?

Sorry I just do not hear him arguing with the CG.

One of the reasons I don't believe 90% of the things printed about the captain can be found in a new story started by the BBC that Costa is offering the survivors a full refund and 30% off a future cruise. This is false.

What Costa HAS offered is a full refund and 30% refund of the cruise price to be used on a future cruise for passengers that were supposed to board Concordia on 1/14 and beyond. As all Concordia sailings have been cancelled, all booked passengers have been offered this compensation.

This is a prime example of an embarrassing incorrect media desperate to be the first to report "facts".

 

[kcashner]

There are so many conflicting reports and interviews that need to be sorted out. For instance, the captain claims that he was steering the ship at the time, yet I saw an interview with a woman who claims that he was at dinner "In the Costa Lounge" at the time. Is she mistaken? Possibly.

If you believed everything in the 20/20 report on cruise ships, you'd never think of getting on one again.

In my heart, I believe that the captain screwed up--big time. Exactly how and why is for the courts to sort out.

 

[TLSnell1981]

The deputy mayor of the island managed to get on a tender and get on the ship to help in the evacuation. In fact, he was on the ship for hours helping in the evacuation and he wasn't even on the ship when it hit the rock. If he could do it, how come the Captain couldn't? More to the point, why is the Captain off the ship in the first place?

Yep, THIS.

 

[DCLSecondChance]

The deputy mayor of the island managed to get on a tender and get on the ship to help in the evacuation. In fact, he was on the ship for hours helping in the evacuation and he wasn't even on the ship when it hit the rock. If he could do it, how come the Captain couldn't? More to the point, why is the Captain off the ship in the first place?

If you believe that story, consider the timeline of the when it is claimed he came aboard and when the phone call between the CG and captain took place. The list was far different between the two times. You can see video taken as people were evacuated and when the ship is lying in its current position.

 

[extechie rbd/wdt]

If you believe that story, consider the timeline of the when it is claimed he came aboard and when the phone call between the CG and captain took place. The list was far different between the two times. You can see video taken as people were evacuated and when the ship is lying in its current position.

So what are your feeling's or thought's about him and the 2nd Officer both being off the ship in a boat before all of the crew and Guest's were evacuated?

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[pxlbarrel]

If you believe that story, consider the timeline of the when it is claimed he came aboard and when the phone call between the CG and captain took place. The list was far different between the two times. You can see video taken as people were evacuated and when the ship is lying in its current position.

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the timeline. I gather that you doubt that the deputy mayor went on board the ship to help with the evacuation? I suppose if he's lying about that, the truth will come out when nobody remembers him leaving the ship at 5:30 in the morning ....

The problem with your statements is that 1. the Captain still caused the accident and 2. the Captain was still off the ship before his passengers and crew were .... which is a violation of Italian Maritime Code as well as kind of morally reprehensible.

 

[extechie rbd/wdt]

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the timeline. I gather that you doubt that the deputy mayor went on board the ship to help with the evacuation? I suppose if he's lying about that, the truth will come out when nobody remembers him leaving the ship at 5:30 in the morning ....

The problem with your statements is that 1. the Captain still caused the accident and 2. the Captain was still off the ship before his passengers and crew were .... which is a violation of Italian Maritime Code as well as kind of morally reprehensible.

pxlbarrel,

My only disagreement with your post was the "kind of" part.
IT WAS morally wrong for the person who caused the accident to leave the ship he was in charge of before he evacuated everyone he was responsible for and put in danger due to his "mistake" or IMO arrogance and stupidity.

Ex Techie

 

[DCLSecondChance]

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the timeline. I gather that you doubt that the deputy mayor went on board the ship to help with the evacuation? I suppose if he's lying about that, the truth will come out when nobody remembers him leaving the ship at 5:30 in the morning ....

I am saying I am not one of those piling ont he Concordia Captain because the misstatements in the media make me not believe most of it. There are those in the cruise ship world who can exactly see how the captain could have been assisting passengers and could not get out of a lifeboat with the crush of passengers. To me the Italian CG is just ranting and the Concordia captain is not arguing with him at all. He sounds in shock and worried. To me the CG is not listening at all to the reports from the captain. To me it sounds that he is in a lifeboat with his second in command to assess the situation.

An accident is just that. An accident.

 

[pxlbarrel]

An accident is just that. An accident.

No, it's not .... An accident can be gross negligence on the part of this ship's captain for steering the ship into a rock. He went off course on purpose (this has been admitted in court). Just because he's done it before doesn't mean it was right all the times he did before and didn't hit that rock.

Y'know ... even if he had stayed on board and helped with the evacuation, he'd still be an idiot for causing the incident in the first place. Nothing can excuse that fact.

 

[tinkerone]

How exactly was he supposed to get back on board with a stream of survivors coming down? Where was he supposed to stand? The underwater bridge? Outside on the window?

its a pity then that he 'tripped' into that life boat. if he hadn't i'm sure he would have been there to see the passengers safely off the boat. yeah, i'm sure of this.......
anybody know where the rolly eyes icon is???

 

[TLSnell1981]

DCLSecondChance. I've listened to the exchange. I understand, enough Italian to know what was said. He was NOT on the ship, gave every excuse not to go back. Shock, PTSD... Don't care. He's the captain of that ship. Dang it, man up.!!

 

[pxlbarrel]

its a pity then that he 'tripped' into that life boat. if he hadn't i'm sure he would have been there to see the passengers safely off the boat. yeah, i'm sure of this.......
anybody know where the rolly eyes icon is???

Here it is!

 

[tinkerone]

He certainly wasn't the only captain who has passed that close to the shore. I have yet to see evidence that he abandoned ship.

lol....sorry, didn't mean to laugh....lol
its a shame you couldn't have been aboard so you could have that evidence, then you could pass it on to the rest of us. i, for one, don't need any more evidence. media or not, it kind of speaks for it self....imo.

 

[lbgraves]

Nope not a coward. No evidence of that at all just speculation. No law that a captain must remain with his ship. That phone call just shows a ranting coast guard officer and a man in shock and confused. He was not arguing with the cg at all.

You have to have a spine in order to stand up to someone, especially when they challenge you about what you have done wrong.

 

[extechie rbd/wdt]

I am saying I am not one of those piling ont he Concordia Captain because the misstatements in the media make me not believe most of it. There are those in the cruise ship world who can exactly see how the captain could have been assisting passengers and could not get out of a lifeboat with the crush of passengers. To me the Italian CG is just ranting and the Concordia captain is not arguing with him at all. He sounds in shock and worried. To me the CG is not listening at all to the reports from the captain. To me it sounds that he is in a lifeboat with his second in command to assess the situation.

An accident is just that. An accident.

So as a Pilot, if there was a problem with your aircraft, would both you as Captain and your second in command go to inspect the damage or cause of it to assess it and leave a steward to fly the plane?
Why would it take two of you to inspect it?

Why would the Captain and Second Officer both be assisting passenger's onto a lifeboat, the same lifeboat?

AGAIN the Captain WAS NOT arguing with the CG.
He was being told what to do after he ABANDONED his ship. GET BACK ABOARD and evacuate his Guest's and crew member's, No excuses, No reason why not, GET BACK ON YOUR VESSEL!

As for being worried...... WELL BE BLOODY WELL SHOULD BE! He diverted off a safe passage and steered a vessel with 4000 people aboard into rock's, breaching the hull, lied to the Coast Guard and Abandoned the ship with his next in line subordinate following him!

What more do you need to know this guy is a coward and a moron?

Ex Techie