Does ANYONE believe Iran?

[eclectics]

I agree 100% with that.....and as you know i am a Repbulican who leans ever so slightly to the right.....that being said.....now that you agree he is Commander in Cheif of military....LET HIM DO HIS JOB!!!! You may not like the fact he won in 2000 and 2004, but at least we elected a prez with a BACKBONE!!!! Ok, now its time for lunch.....im thinking grilled chicken salad with a raspberry vinagrette dressing.

Slightly? Define Republican "center" then, please.

 

[salmoneous]

Ronald Reagan said publicly that he wouldn't negotiate and if elected President would go after Iran if the hostages weren't immediately released.

For the curious, what Reagan actually was saying during the election:

MR. REAGAN: Barbara, you've asked that question twice. I think you ought to have at least one answer to it. I have been accused lately of having a secret plan with regard to the hostages. Now, this comes from an answer that I've made at least 50 times during this campaign to the press, when I am asked have you any ideas of what you would do if you were there? And I said, well, yes. And I think that anyone that's seeking this position, as well as other people, probably, have thought to themselves, what about this, what about that? These are just ideas of what I would think of if I were in that position and had access to the information, and which I would know all the options that were open to me. I have never answered the question, however; second, the one that says, well, tell me, what are some of those ideas? First of all, I would be fearful that I might say something that was presently under way or in negotiations, and thus expose it and endanger the hostages, and sometimes, I think some of my ideas might require quiet diplomacy where you don't say in advance, or say to anyone, what it is you're thinking of doing. Your question is difficult to answer, because, in the situation right now, no one wants to say anything that would inadvertently delay, in any way, the return of those hostages if there if there is a chance that they're coming home soon, or that might cause them harm. What I do think should be done, once they are safely here with their families, and that tragedy is over - we've endured this humiliation for just lacking one week of a year now - then, I think, it is time for us to have a complete investigation as to the diplomatic efforts that were made in the beginning, why they have been there so long, and when they came home, what did we have to do in order to bring that about - what arrangements were made? And I would suggest that Congress should hold such an investigation. In the meantime, I'm going to continue praying that they'll carne home.

 

[eclectics]

Really? I very much look forward to your explaining the following DIRECT QUOTE from Ms ODonnell. It's on her website, at: http://www.rosie.com/blog/page/2/ (the quote below is towards the bottom of that page).

""False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The British did it on purpose. They went into Iranian waters ."

Bottom line: Rosie has publicly stated she believes the Iranians.

Interesting, because on the show she claimed the GPS was correct.
I happened to be watching that day and heard it myself. Not sure of the date of the show but I think it was after her blog entry (which I must say, today being my first visit there, maybe she retracted it somehere?) Sorry, don't know.

 

[Anewman]

2006 was the BEST thing that could have happened. America is already starting to see the error they made in 06......they have 2 years (which is plenty) to see the dems are.....umm, well to say it politley......"clueless".

So they held their first session 3 months ago, did you really think they would fix the mess republicans left that fast??


But Yes I agree America has learned their lesson.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

 

[beachblanket]

Interesting, because on the show she claimed the GPS was correct.

Link to proof (a.k.a. video), please.

 

[LukenDC]

I do not believe Iran at all and I stand behind Britain 100%.

 

[eclectics]

Link to proof (a.k.a. video), please.

Sorry, I don't hate Rosie, but I don't hang on her every word either. I happened to be watching the day they were all discussing it and the GPS came up ( I don't remember the day and I have no link) and I heard her say the coordinates show the boat to be in Iraqi waters. There was no controversy or yelling match on the show that day nor was there an outcry about Rosie being a traitor again, so I was unaware she wrote what she did in her blog. I don't think I misunderstood her, but if I did and she truly believes the British did this on purpose, I'll go on record as saying I believe she is totally wrong.

If she does believe this, where is the lynch mob? Her detractors pounce on everything she says and I don't recall any big slug match about this issue? You would think there would be.

 

[beattyfamily]

Sorry, I don't hate Rosie, but I don't hang on her every word either. I happened to be watching the day they were all discussing it and the GPS came up ( I don't remember the day and I have no link) and I heard her say the coordinates show the boat to be in Iraqi waters. There was no controversy or yelling match on the show that day nor was there an outcry about Rosie being a traitor again, so I was unaware she wrote what she did in her blog. I don't think I misunderstood her, but if I did and she truly believes the British did this on purpose, I'll go on record as saying I believe she is totally wrong.

If she does believe this, where is the lynch mob? Her detractors pounce on everything she says and I don't recall any big slug match about this issue? You would think there would be.

I saw two separate shows where she was basically saying that the sailors were taken on purpose. First she said; "Google is your friend, Gulf of Tonkin, people". Then just the other day, she and Elisabeth were arguing and Elizabeth came out and asked her if she thought the sailors were taken 'on purpose' and Rosie, in a round about way said 'yes'.

She also has mentioned the Gulf of Tonkin/that the Brits were taken 'on purpose' in her blog. Here it is below, written late in the PM of last Thursday night which means AFTER any shows that aired last week live, since Friday is a taped show:

british hostages
Posted by ro on March 28th at 10:35pm in in the news

anderson cooper
wake up

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities.

the british did it on purpose
into iranian waters
as
US MILITARY BUILD UP ON THE IRANIAN BORDER

we will be in iran
before summer
as planned

come on people
u have 2 c
i know u can

 

[beachblanket]

I happened to be watching the day they were all discussing it and the GPS came up ( I don't remember the day and I have no link) and I heard her say the coordinates show the boat to be in Iraqi waters.

In the past, when I've stated something as fact on these boards, within minutes those who disagree with my opinion (who are usually to the left) come back stating that in the lack of posted proof, my argument will be viewed as having no crediblity since there is no hard evidence.

So in the interest of not allowing a double standard, with all due respect someone simply saying "I heard it" isn't good enough.

 

[eclectics]

Then just the other day, she and Elisabeth were arguing and Elizabeth came out and asked her if she thought the sailors were taken 'on purpose' and Rosie, in a round about way said 'yes'.

Okay. I stand corrected. I don't watch every day, and if I do it's mainly for Joy Behar. I've enjoyed her for many years. I swear I heard Rosie admit the GPS appeared to be right. I guess she twisted it around and I didn't notice or I missed something on some other show. Like I said, the show is not a must see for me. Interesting that there wasn't a big outcry. Everything else controversial she says seems to generate one.

 

[beachblanket]

She also has mentioned the Gulf of Tonkin/that the Brits were taken 'on purpose' in her blog.

Unfortunately, you are mixing up arguments here, pulling this discussion off on a tangent of whether the U.K. "intentionally set up their sailors."

Frankly, I think that's a pile of you-know-what, but again, that's a different issue - what we are discussing here is whether Rosie said the British crafts were in Iran's waters. She clearly did, and it's there in plain english in the original quote I posted:

"the british did it on purpose
into iranian waters"
Rosie O'Donnell, 3/28/07

And we have yet to see any proof she ever said otherwise.

 

[eclectics]

In the past, when I've stated something as fact on these boards, within minutes those who disagree with my opinion (who are usually to the left) come back stating that in the lack of posted proof, my argument will be viewed as having no crediblity since there is no hard evidence.

So in the interest of not allowing a double standard, with all due respect someone simply saying "I heard it" isn't good enough.

You are absolutely right. I must have misunderstood her statement, although in my defense, she certainly is one that gets misquoted more than her fair share. I'm one of the first ones to ask for proof and I wish I had a link of that show with her comment so I could offer it up. I'm still amazed that her critics aren't more vocal in regards to this, another reason for me to assume what I assumed. Can't exactly argue with the written word of the person in question though. So, I'll say it again for the record. "If you believe it Rosie, you are wrong!"

 

[LakeAriel]

You are absolutely right. I must have misunderstood her statement, although in my defense, she certainly is one that gets misquoted more than her fair share. I'm one of the first ones to ask for proof and I wish I had a link of that show with her comment so I could offer it up. I'm still amazed that her critics aren't more vocal in regards to this, another reason for me to assume what I assumed. Can't exactly argue with the written word of the person in question though. So, I'll say it again for the record. "If you believe that Rosie, you are wrong!"

Yes you heard correct, I heard the same thing. She clearly may not feel that way privately, I don't know. The waters in question have been in dispute between Iraq and Iran for many years. Obviously they still are. Funny thing is maybe the debate should be why the hell are all of us in Iraqi waters? Oh that's right we attacked them and now occupy them...

 

[LuvDuke]

For the curious, what Reagan actually was saying during the election:

MR. REAGAN: Barbara, you've asked that question twice. I think you ought to have at least one answer to it. I have been accused lately of having a secret plan with regard to the hostages. Now, this comes from an answer that I've made at least 50 times during this campaign to the press, when I am asked have you any ideas of what you would do if you were there? And I said, well, yes. And I think that anyone that's seeking this position, as well as other people, probably, have thought to themselves, what about this, what about that? These are just ideas of what I would think of if I were in that position and had access to the information, and which I would know all the options that were open to me. I have never answered the question, however; second, the one that says, well, tell me, what are some of those ideas? First of all, I would be fearful that I might say something that was presently under way or in negotiations, and thus expose it and endanger the hostages, and sometimes, I think some of my ideas might require quiet diplomacy where you don't say in advance, or say to anyone, what it is you're thinking of doing. Your question is difficult to answer, because, in the situation right now, no one wants to say anything that would inadvertently delay, in any way, the return of those hostages if there if there is a chance that they're coming home soon, or that might cause them harm. What I do think should be done, once they are safely here with their families, and that tragedy is over - we've endured this humiliation for just lacking one week of a year now - then, I think, it is time for us to have a complete investigation as to the diplomatic efforts that were made in the beginning, why they have been there so long, and when they came home, what did we have to do in order to bring that about - what arrangements were made? And I would suggest that Congress should hold such an investigation. In the meantime, I'm going to continue praying that they'll carne home.

You just broke the 11th commandment: Never confuse people with facts when they're on a roll.

Btw, not one "wow that Ronnie was sure tough" devotee has availed themselves of the opportunity to explain why they thought it was a good thing Reagan sold the Iranian hostage takers arms for their influence in Beirut.

Hmmmm ............. anybody?

Hell, the only thing Carter did was bring the hostages home and in one piece. And he gets raked over the coals. But, not dear Ronnie Reagan for selling arms to the very people who did it.

It's a puzzlement. Nah, not really.

 

[eclectics]

Yes you heard correct, I heard the same thing. She clearly may not feel that way privately, I don't know. The waters in question have been in dispute between Iraq and Iran for many years. Obviously they still are. Funny thing is maybe the debate should be why the hell are all of us in Iraqi waters? Oh that's right we attacked them and now occupy them...

Thank you! I thought I was going crazy. I can now scratch "another senior moment" off the list!

 

[beachblanket]

Yes you heard correct, I heard the same thing. She clearly may not feel that way privately, I don't know.

Translation: when it comes to integrity (or more importantly, lack thereof), Rosie O'Donnell apparently has a free pass.

Hell, the only thing Carter did was bring the hostages home and in one piece.

And after they suffered for 444 days. Real impressive sense of urgency.

 

[LukenDC]

The Bush administration---yes, I am blaming them---has emboldened Iran through their myraid blunders in the Middle East. The removal of Saddam created a vacuum that Iran has rushed to fill. Iraq's Shiite majority is sympathetic to Iran and will likely support Iran's foreign policy initiatives.

Since the Iraq invasion, Iran has stepped up funding and arming for militants in Palestine and Lebanon, become increasingly belligerant and secretive about its nuclear program, become increasingly bellicose towards other countries in the region, begun arming anti-American insurgents in Iraq, fostered ties with Chavez and Castro, and now has abducted 15 British sailors. Iran is far more a danger than Saddam's Iraq ever was.

American and allied forces are spread thin through engagements in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other other areas of the world. Iran believes, rightly or wrongly, that we cannot respond militarily to their aggression. Yet at some point we will need to confront this menace head on.

 

[LuvDuke]

Translation: when it comes to integrity (or more importantly, lack thereof), Rosie O'Donnell apparently has a free pass.



And after they suffered for 444 days. Real impressive sense of urgency.

Did Carter bring them home and in one piece? Yes or no.

And did you feel Reagan emboldend Iran when he sold them arms for hostages? Yes or no.

Sorry, I really can't comment about Rosie O'Donnell because I don't give a crap.

 

[LakeAriel]

Did Carter bring them home and in one piece? Yes or no.

And did you feel Reagan emboldend Iran when he sold them arms for hostages? Yes or no.

Sorry, I really can't comment about Rosie O'Donnell because I don't give a crap.

Thank God they weren't held at Abu ghraib under the Bush administration. As a matter of fact, thank God the British sailors aren't there either. This is the very point we have been trying to make about Bush's torture memo. Hopefully other nations don't ascribe to it.

 

[LakeAriel]

I found this, an interveiw with Terry Anderson, a hostage in Iran, made after 9/11. is very sobering and prophetic.

http://www.racematters.org/terryandersonpbp.htm