Doctors speak out about H1N1 VACCINE DANGERS

[jrmasm]

I have yet to run across anyone whose doc is NOT recommending the shot, except for some people who are posting about it here. I also don't know anyone IRL who isn't planning on getting it when its available.

First post on this thread for me.

Our pediatrician is not recommending it.

Just because you haven't run into it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[mefordis]

This is a very thoughtful post. Sounds like you have done your research.

I find it interesting that everyone can find someone in authority and statistics to back up their particular stand on anything. There are those who feel that vaccinations are the best thing since sliced bread, with many doctors backing that up. But....there are also those that say vaccinations are merely a money maker for some companies and are dangerous to us, and they find officials to back them up.

The same with any kind of study...and that's where I put the whole Vit. D issue. It's a good idea to take some daily supplements...maybe even a bit more of the water soluble vitamins. But, it's also good to remember that some vitamins are just not good for you in huges doses. They stay in your body for long periods of time and can become toxic...too much of a good thing.

I get a seasonal flu shot each year. But, that's only since I turned 50...I have had flu before, as well as pnemonia..don't want either one again. Will I get my dd, 16, an H1N1 shot??? I don't know yet. She is in good heath, I have told her to wash her hands during the day at school. I would almost rather she build up some imunities on her own...much better than a vaccine.
But....some vaccines are truly wonderful. Can you imagine if we hadn't had the polio vaccine???

You really need to do your homework. You need to weigh issues on their own merit, keeping in mind that some people have ulterior motives for saying what they say. I truly don't believe that vaccinations cause autism, but others have a different opinion. And that's their right. You have to look at both sides of an issue. Too many people are making sweeping generalizations out there. Take the whole Guardasil issue...my dd hasn't had a shot yet, and probably won't. My choice, but her pedi is on me every visit about getting the shot for her. But, I've researched it and don't think it's all that big a deal. But, it is a big deal for the pharmaceutical company that puts it out there.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I am a healthcare worker mandated to get the vaccines.

I think one of the reasons we as healthcare workers are "up in arms" is because we are being forced by the government to do something we may or may not want to do. Nobody likes having their personal liberties taken away.

So safety of the vaccine is not the only concern healthcare workers have.

 

[MagicKingdom05]

First post on this thread for me.

Our pediatrician is not recommending it.

Just because you haven't run into it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Our pediatrician said for us all to get the seasonal one, but she wasn't sure about the H1N1, because she doesn't feel that it has been complete tested.

 

[luvmy3]

First post on this thread for me.

Our pediatrician is not recommending it.

Just because you haven't run into it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Let me rephrase: The doctors who I know personally (people in my family are in the medical field) who are against the shot do not speak out because of the potential headache involved.

I never said it doesn't happen, in fact if you read the post you quoted you would see that I acknowledged it does happen to people who post here.

Maybe you should point out that what you say can go both ways. The OP may know docs who won't recommend it, but her claims that most won't or are only doing it because they don't want the backlash are simply false.

 

[jrmasm]

I never said it doesn't happen, in fact if you read the post you quoted you would see that I acknowledged it does happen to people who post here.

Maybe you should point out that what you say can go both ways. The OP may know docs who won't recommend it, but her claims that most won't or are only doing it because they don't want the backlash are simply false.

I am neither for or against what the OP is posting. I was simply responding to your post that you did not know anyone IRL what didn't want the vaccine or know a dr that isn't recommending it. That's it.

I have yet to run across anyone whose doc is NOT recommending the shot, except for some people who are posting about it here. I also don't know anyone IRL who isn't planning on getting it when its available.

You can't dismiss a different experience simply because it was't yours.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

It's a good idea to take some daily supplements...maybe even a bit more of the water soluble vitamins. But, it's also good to remember that some vitamins are just not good for you in huges doses. They stay in your body for long periods of time and can become toxic...too much of a good thing.

I'm glad you brought this up. I was just about to.

There are water soluble vitamins, and there are fat soluble vitamins. With water soluble vitamins, the body takes what it needs and the rest goes to waste, which is why they need to be replenished daily, and why presumably, no harm can be done from taking supplements. With fat soluble vitamins, they get stored in the body, so levels can become too high. This has always been known. I am concerned about what problems could come from people taking too much of the fat soluble vitamins.

There has been some recent interest in Vitamin D levels and how they relate to breast cancer. I was tested to see how my levels were - they were fine, and that was the end of it. They didn't tell me to go out and keep taking Vitamin D supplements (which I wouldn't anyway). My personal opinion is, you have to be careful with something like this.

From the National Institues of Health re Vitamin D Supplements: http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

Before you take anything, whether it's a vaccine, or a pill, or a vitamin supplement, you really need to do your research from reputable people and agencies, look at both sides of the issue, weigh the benefits vs risk, and then make a decision.

Everyone has to do what's right for them.

 

[MagicKingdom05]

I think in this case, everyone can make there own decision for or against getting the flu and H1N1 shot based on what they have been told by there own doctors and there own gut feeling. This is the first year I have ever gotten the flu shot and that is because I have a 17 month old and was told I should.

 

[Planogirl]

It sounds like the vaccine might need more testing. I just hope that healthcare workers don't end up helping to spread this stuff even more. I would never mandate that anyone take this shot but it's a little daunting to think of the same workers treating those with this flu possibly treating one of us.

 

[luvmy3]

I am neither for or against what the OP is posting. I was simply responding to your post that you did not know anyone IRL what didn't want the vaccine or know a dr that isn't recommending it. That's it.



You can't dismiss a different experience simply because it was't yours.

I'm not dismissing anything other than the OP's claim that MOST docs aren't recommending it. I'm not sure why you don't seem to understand that

ETA, she did state that she was referring to those she personally knew. Before that I took her statements to mean the majority of docs in the US which is why I posted what I did.

 

[Geoff_M]

The government said the last Swine Flu vaccine was safe, too.....oh-but then they pulled it, remember? So, we're suppose to believe everything the government says, until they change thier mind?

There's one key difference you aren't mentioning. While there were questions surrounding the effects of that vaccine, the program wasn't stopped because the vaccine was declared "unsafe", it was stopped because a) questions were being floated about the elevated levels of adverse reactions, but even more importantly b) there was no actual outbreak of Swine Flu that was being combated. Here's the CDC's analysis of what happened (bolding mine):

What NIIP did not and could not survive, however, was the second blow, finding cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) among persons receiving swine flu immunizations. As of 1976, >50 "antecedent events" had been identified in temporal relationship to GBS, events that were considered as possible factors in its cause. The list included viral infections, injections, and "being struck by lightning." Whether or not any of the antecedents had a causal relationship to GBS was, and remains, unclear. When cases of GBS were identified among recipients of the swine flu vaccines, they were, of course, well covered by the press. Because GBS cases are always present in the population, the necessary public health questions concerning the cases among vaccine recipients were "Is the number of cases of GBS among vaccine recipients higher than would be expected? And if so, are the increased cases the result of increased surveillance or a true increase?" Leading epidemiologists debated these points, but the consensus, based on the intensified surveillance for GBS (and other conditions) in recipients of the vaccines, was that the number of cases of GBS appeared to be an excess.

Had H1N1 influenza been transmitted at that time, the small apparent risk of GBS from immunization would have been eclipsed by the obvious immediate benefit of vaccine-induced protection against swine flu. However, in December 1976, with >40 million persons immunized and no evidence of H1N1 transmission, federal health officials decided that the possibility of an association of GBS with the vaccine, however small, necessitated stopping immunization, at least until the issue could be explored. A moratorium on the use of the influenza vaccines was announced on December 16

It's also not "the Government" saying that this and other vaccines are safe. It's multiple health agencies and organizations, universities (both private and public), hospitals, etc.

Also, do you have any idea how dangerous mercury is?

If your position is that "mercury" is "mercury" no matter the form, or amount, please please I beg you to stop using all table salt at once as is contains highly toxic chlorine. It's deadly and is even used as a chemical weapon! Here's some of the MSDS info for liquid chlorine:

Color: Green to yellow gas amber liquid
Physical State: Compressed, liquefied gas
Odor: Irritating, Pungent
Signal Word: DANGER
MAJOR HEALTH HAZARDS: HIGHLY TOXIC. MAY BE FATAL IF INHALED. CAUSES BURNS TO THE RESPIRATORY TRACT, SKIN AND EYES. MAY CAUSE CHEMICAL PNEUMONIA. MAY CAUSE PERMANENT EYE DAMAGE.
PHYSICAL HAZARDS: OXIDIZER. Hazardous gas under pressure. May react explosively with organic materials. May ignite or explode on contact with combustible materials.
ECOLOGICAL HAZARDS: This material is highly toxic to aquatic organisms on an acute basis.
PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENTS: Do not breathe vapor or mist. Do not get in eyes, on skin, or on clothing. Store away from organic and combustible materials. Keep container tightly closed. Wash thoroughly after handling.

2. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS:
Inhalation: May cause irritation (possibly seversevere), chemical burns, and pulmonary edema.
Skin contact: Causes skin burns. Rapid evaporation of the material may cause frostbite.
Eye contact: Causes serious eye damage. Rapid evaporation of the material may cause frostbite.
Ingestion: Not a likely route of exposure.
Chronic Effects: Causes damage to the respiratory system through prolonged or repeated exposure. Medical Conditions Aggravated by Exposure: Respiratory system (including asthma and other breathing disorders)

Some people who smoke never get lung cancer, either. Does that mean it is safe? You need 100 percent of people to get sick to believe something is bad? Really? Okaay.

You're making my point for me: Anecdotes aren't data. Some people not getting cancer from cigarettes doesn't mean anything one way or another. Also, I'm not the one making the 100% claim, the doctor in the video is. If they guy had made a more rational claim like "Surveys and preliminary data shows that taking high doses of Vitamin D is associated with a reduction in the number of, and severity of, illnesses in patients", then I could buy that as being certainly possible... but instead he claimed that "everyone" never gets sick while on Vitamin D.

 

[jrmasm]

I'm not dismissing anything other than the OP's claim that MOST docs aren't recommending it. I'm not sure why you don't seem to understand that

ETA, she did state that she was referring to those she personally knew. Before that I took her statements to mean the majority of docs in the US which is why I posted what I did.

And your statement implies that most dr are recommeding it. I don't either you or the OP can make that statement unless you've polled most doctors.

 

[Geoff_M]

You are fighting a losing battle, "geoff".. Most folks are using their common sense and heeding the advice of doctors and NOT getting shot up.

Fighting a losing battle... right. I guess that's why we see all of the threads from people looking for the H1N1 vaccines, but can't find it and the makers can't produce stock fast enough to meet demand.

Why do you care so much about whether or not people are getting the shot? I think enough people are getting the shots to sustain the pharm industry so there is no real threat to your job, at least due to revenue, not so sure how you have enough time to do your job with all the disboarding you do.

It's not so much that I care about people getting the vaccine... I just have a high personal disdain for when people propagate junk science and out-right falsehoods... repeatedly. And to your last question... it's called "multi-tasking" and staying up late.

 

[DVC Sadie]

I know many who are taking the advice of their Dr. and getting the shot when it is available.

Yes, I am taking my doctors advice and did get the H1N1 flu mist.

I've stated on other threads that I go to the hospital 3x a week for treatment and ALL of the doctors, nurses and technicians I have spoken with have all had the H1N1 vaccine and so have their families. I have not had one of them say that they didn't take it or that they didn't allow their families to have it.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

It sounds like the vaccine might need more testing. I just hope that healthcare workers don't end up helping to spread this stuff even more. I would never mandate that anyone take this shot but it's a little daunting to think of the same workers treating those with this flu possibly treating one of us.

You're probably far more likely to pick it up in the grocery store.

 

[Geoff_M]

If you do a a little research you will find several doctors who are not afraid to speak out against the flu vax, both seasonal and h1n1.

And seeing, from the links that you've provided from several of these doctors, that these folks can't even seem to get the basic facts right about the vaccines they are slamming, what does that say about their medical advice as a whole?

 

[luvmy3]

And your statement implies that most dr are recommeding it. I don't either you or the OP can make that statement unless you've polled most doctors.

I said that I have yet to come across any doc who isn't recommending it. In fact my kids have seen 4 different docs in the last month and each one has reminded me of the importance of the vaccine. I also stated that I do not know anyone in real life who isn't getting the vaccine(implying that their doc is not NOT recommending it). Just how that implies that I think most docs are recommending it is beyond me.

 

[wdwfan16]

Let me rephrase: The doctors who I know personally (people in my family are in the medical field) who are against the shot do not speak out because of the potential headache involved.

So not all of the medical professionals in your family are against it.

 

[robinb]

It's not so much that I care about people getting the vaccine... I just have a high personal disdain for when people propagate junk science and out-right falsehoods... repeatedly.

In the spirit of full disclosure I will be signing the permission slip for my DD to get the H1N1 vaccine in school. She already had the regular flu vaccine.

 

[ma2jr]

Thanks for posting this...