Do YOU wear Confederate apparel ?

Cool-Beans said:
Regardless of what the swastika stood for before the Nazis adopted it, it now stands for everything the Nazis did. Same deal with that flag. It now represents slavery and the KKK. That's why we don't like it.

Adolph Hitler was a God-fearing Catholic. if the KKK wants to hide behind the swastika, they're hypocrites. they're morons at best. I regard anyone sporting a confederate flag shirt or a camo shirt in public as the same thing, but for different reasons. they're the same people with an '81 Camaro on blocks in their front yard.

I don't get the whole racism angle, I just think it's trashy.
 
I don't wear CF stuff, neither do my children.

I think a lot of the popularity of the CF comes from the recent (last 10 years or so) attempts to outlaw it ... tell me I CAN'T wear/display something and I will fight even more to do it.

It seems like more of the clothing, etc. is out now than even 10 years ago.

Controversy is helping that industry!
 
flatline said:
Adolph Hitler was a God-fearing Catholic. if the KKK wants to hide behind the swastika, they're hypocrites. they're morons at best. I regard anyone sporting a confederate flag shirt or a camo shirt in public as the same thing, but for different reasons. they're the same people with an '81 Camaro on blocks in their front yard.

I don't get the whole racism angle, I just think it's trashy.
Hitler was NOT a God-fearing Catholic. If he were afraid of God, he wouldn't have starved, tortured and murdered 6-8 million people. The Catholics believe there is a rule against that...I think it is in the Top 10 of rules, actually.

Hitler a God-fearing Catholic. Don't make me open a can of Whup-Butt on you, flat. ;) (Doesn't sound quite the same saying "butt," but you get my drift.)
 
LOL, this is an intersting new mode of defensive (distraction) on this board: if your cause is getting beat, blame the Catholics (like that South Park song,"Blame Canada") or say, "Well Catholics are worse".

First of all, the Catholic Church is huge and very very old. Just like the US would like to be respected and loved, even though it has done some horrible things (and the Catholic church has had lots more time to make mistakes), many countries and groups of people have things to be ashamed of.

When you are debating something, you can't just change the subject like that all the time. It's like my mom, when she knew she was losing an argument with us, she'd bring up some mistake we made in the past. ("I don't care if you are right about curfew, you broke the washing machine last year!")

How did you all think you were going to make your point by bringing up the Catholic Church? It makes you seem like you really can't support your argument. In this debate, we are talking about the Confederate Flag. To say, "Yeah,well, Catholics did bad stuff too" is just so weak!"

Blame Catholics
South Park Parents

Times have changed,
Our kids are getting worse
They won't obey their parents,
They just want to fart and curse. Should we blame the government, or blame society, or should we blame the images on tv No!
Blame Catholics! Blame Catholics!

With all their beady little eyes,
their flapping heads so full of lies
Blame Catholics!
Blame Cathoics!
We need to form a full assault, it's Catholicism's fault! Don't blame me, for my son Stan, He saw the darn cartoon, and now he's off to
join the klan!> And my boy eric once, had my picture on his shelf, but now when I see him, he tells me to **** myself>

Shame on Catholics!

The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming us!

Blame Catholics
 

No, but I don't live in the South.

Whenever I am down there, I see a lot of Confederate apparel.

My DFIL had a friend who used to say "The war's not over...we're just taking a break".
 
Cool-Beans said:
That flag represents a time during which we had slavery in the southern states. While the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery, slavery was a part of the South at that time...the two went hand in hand.

Then the KKK adopted it as theirs. The KKK is a group devoted to hatred of blacks, Jews, Catholics, gays, and I don't even know what else. Not only do they use it to CELEBRATE that part of our history, but it symbolizes all of their violent acts. They humiliated, beat, hung, tortured and killed people...and that flag has come to symbolize everything they stand for and celebrate.


I don't deny that there was slavery in the south during the Civil War era. However, I don't think you can really say that slavery and the South go "hand in hand." Very few people actually owned slaves, so even though slavery existed in the South, life wasn't a Gone With the Wind parallel for most Southerners.

Didn't Thomas Jefferson own slaves? So you could say the Presidency and slavery go hand in hand, too, by that logic.

Slavery and the KKK and racism are all horrible things, and I wish none of them had happened. It's a shame the confederate flag got all tied up with the the idea of hatred adn bigotry, because that's really not what it was supposed to be.
 
When you fly the Confederate flag you make a choice. And it's a choice that thank God we live in America is your choice to make. You've made the choice to say, "To me, this symbol is more important than how other people feel."

You guys can keep coming back with reasons that it "doesn't mean what we think it means", but that will never change what we think.

I'm not sure about this, but I don't think anyone on this thread has said to censor you. We're just saying we don't like the flag. We don't respect it. You can't change that.

For many of us the Confederate flag screams slavery and racism. And as much as you would like to try to explain it away, nothing will change in that regard. I don't know how many other ways we can say it. We who find the flag objectionable are not going to change our mind.

So fly it, wear it, paint it on your house. I'm glad that we live in a country where you can do that, whether everyone agrees with you or not.
 
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From Ann Coulter..one of my favorites,

VICE PRESIDENT Al Gore, Bill Bradley and John McCain have all denounced the Confederate battle flag as representing slavery and have demanded that it be removed from all public buildings. Whenever I hear white people somberly opining that the Confederate battle flag symbolizes slavery, I can't help wondering who their friends are. Do their friends support slavery? Does anyone -- apart from a few demonstrably insane losers?

In a duly famous "Saturday Night Live" skit, Eddie Murphy goes on a bus disguised as a white person and discovers that as soon as the white people think all the blacks are off the bus, they start serving cocktails and dancing. Politicians who claim the Confederate battle flag symbolizes slavery may as well be claiming that all the white people get cocktails and music when the last black person leaves the bus. It's not true.

So as a white person, I would like to assure all nonwhites that these politicians are lying: White people do not secretly support slavery any more than they drink cocktails and dance on the bus.

The Confederate battle flag today has nothing to do with race. It stands for a romantic image of a chivalric, honor-based culture that was driven down by the brute force of crass Yankee capitalism, which was better at manufacturing weapons than using them, and that shortly thereafter gave us the Grant administration and the Gilded Age. (We'll leave out trebling the average life span, ending chattel slavery, creating a world in which half the human race gets beaten up a whole lot less by the other half, and various other things that those money-grubbing followers of that awful Hobbes guy somehow accomplished despite caring only about making a buck.)

It stands for a proud military heritage shared by both blacks and whites in the South. The reverence for tradition and pride in historical antecedents are precisely what make Southerners, black and white, such stalwart patriots.

The Confederate battle flag controversy is a completely synthetic issue created by the same people who believe there is a burgeoning class of brilliant blacks graduating from law school every year, but Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg refuses to hire them out purely out of racism. They are picking a fight in an election year to enable The New York Times to distribute daily reports on the superior Democratic response on the question of the Confederate flag.

It is also a completely illogical issue. If the Confederate battle flag can be tagged as a tribute to slavery, how is it that the American flag has gotten a pass so far? Slavery existed far longer under Old Glory than under the Stars and Bars.

More urgently, what's with the African garb and kente cloth worn by some American blacks supposedly as a symbol of black pride? White slave traders weren't dashing into the jungle and capturing their own slaves: They were buying them, fair and square, from their African masters. Slavery, as Joe Sobran has remarked, is the only African institution America has ever adopted. Indeed, slavery still exists today, at the end of the 20th century, in some parts of Africa.

There is no shortage of artifacts that could be accused of "representing" slavery. Perhaps the race demagogues should be demanding that South Carolina change the name of the state since that was the same state that fired on Fort Sumter. They could take a page from the French Revolution and start changing the calendar and the names of the months in light of the fact that slavery existed during months with names like "February."

But there is one problem with a total rejection of all things related to slavery: It was the Democratic Party that supported it. The Republican Party was formed for the specific purpose of opposing slavery. I'll start believing the Confederate battle flag hurts somebody's feelings as soon as the existence of the Democratic Party hurts their feelings, too.

These are the rules -- and pay close attention, because they are completely arbitrary: "Dixie" is bad because it uses Southern black dialect. Rap music, however, is good, even though it employs a black criminal dialect. The flag under which slavery flourished for almost a century is good. But the flag under which slavery existed for less than a decade is bad. One continent's slavery is good, but another continent's purchasing of those very slaves is bad. And for the final rousing conclusion: The party that supported slavery, leading to the Civil War, is good. But the party that was created expressly to oppose slavery is bad.

This is pure demagoguery. The only purpose is to breed chaos and hatred, and to keep both blacks and whites off balance: Think this about the artifacts of slavery! No, you idiots, think that! And today is the Fourth of Thermidor
 
That's great! I hope you and Ann Coulter will be very happy flying your Confederate flags together. Knock yourselves out. Get a couple of confederate uniforms and wear them to WDW. :confused3 Have fun!
 
Polly,
will I see you there?
I'll look for somebody in a Che Guevera shirt and assume it's you.
 
shrubber said:
Polly,
will I see you there?
I'll look for somebody in a Che Guevera shirt and assume it's you.

Actually, I do have a really nice Che Guevera t-shirt!

Seriously, I don't care if you fly the confederate flag -- do you guys get that? I wouldn't like it if my state were flying it, because that would mean it was speaking for me. (Any more than you would want a flag with Che on it over your state).

I but all these pages of trying to justify it's use :confused3 -- kind of a waste of breath. You like it, fine.
 
As someone who has always lived in the North, Massachusetts to be sure, I have to say I got the opportunity this year to visit the South and see it up close and personal. I did not get to see everything, but visited some very interesting cities and viewed Civil War battlefields, truly something I will not forget for a long time.

I saw the Battle site at the Crater, my husband purchased a Southern hat there, much to the Ranger's surprise...We also visited the Siege Museum in Petersburg, VA, watched a dated movie narrated by Joseph Cotton and viewed the museum maintained by a volunteer group of women who are so proud of their heritage. I could understand the pride they had in their Southern roots. We stayed in Charleston and on the way home in Savannah, GA, and I found it so intriguing, steeped in history. I did have one person talk to me about the Civil War, but he called it the battle of Northern Aggression, I had never heard that before and thought it was humerous.

I do not care if you choose to wear Confederate apparel, it does not bother me one way or another. If you choose to display your flag, that does not bother me either...I guess it is because I can understand your Southern pride and do not take the flag as a symbol of anything other than that. These, of course, are my opinions.....
 
So it's ok for you to wear a Che Guevera shirt. A vile communist who ran forced labor camps, killed innocent civilians and excecuted hundreds without trials and yet....it's not ok for a high school to wear a shirt with a confederate flag?

seems a tad hypocritical.
 
shrubber said:
So it's ok for you to wear a Che Guevera shirt. A vile communist who ran forced labor camps, killed innocent civilians and excecuted hundreds without trials and yet....it's not ok for a high school to wear a shirt with a confederate flag?

seems a tad hypocritical.

Oh my, no one can kid around here -- no, honey, auntpolly does not wear a Che Guevera anything (that's why I said "seriously". I usually dress like Pat Nixon). And we can argue about communism and all of that in another thread.

And --- this is tiresome -- I've said -- how many times now, that I don't care what the little white trash high school student wants to wear in her free time. If there is a dress code, she should follow it at school.

If she doesn't care that it makes her look like a racist hillbilly, she should make any fashion statement she likes -- I don't care.
 
Hey, I don't fly the confederate flag, nor do I wear it on clothing. My whole point in this thread is that if someone does choose to do so, it doesn't automatically mean they're hillbilly racists. Because, whether you choose to believe it or not, the flag *did* originally stand for something different. And while some people who fly the confederate flags are, indeed, proudly showing off their bigotry, others have an entirely different and much more harmless intent.
 
I'm sorry -- that's what it means to me. And so many other people. Especially African Americans.

If you don't care about that, and obviously you guys don't, then fine.

I'm not being facetious -- I mean it, fine. :confused3 There are lots of things I don't like in this country. Skin heads, nazis, rap.... ;) , but I'll fight to the death (and give thousands to the ACLU) for your right to free expression, no matter how repugnant I find it. What do you care what I think anyway, or any of us who have a problem with it? But you can stop trying to convince us that we are wrong about how we feel.
 
auntpolly said:
Oh my, no one can kid around here -- no, honey, auntpolly does not wear a Che Guevera anything (that's why I said "seriously". I usually dress like Pat Nixon). And we can argue about communism and all of that in another thread.

And --- this is tiresome -- I've said -- how many times now, that I don't care what the little white trash high school student wants to wear in her free time. If there is a dress code, she should follow it at school.

If she doesn't care that it makes her look like a racist hillbilly, she should make any fashion statement she likes -- I don't care.

This is the only post in 12 pages that I find offensive. I'm ashamed for you and your ignorance if you think the confederate flag is represented by white trash and racist hillbillies.

I do agree with you that if it is against dress code the student needs to follow the code requirements.
 
Southern4sure said:
This is the only post in 12 pages that I find offensive. I'm ashamed for you and your ignorance if you think the confederate flag is represented by white trash and racist hillbillies.

I do agree with you that if it is against dress code the student needs to follow the code requirements.

I've always respected you and I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by my statement. We're talking about how we feel about things, what things mean to us. I guess it's OK for you guys but not for me.

If I were trying to tell you what to do, I could see your anger -- but you can't tell me how to feel!!!!

Edited to add -- want me to lie and say I don't feel that way when I see someone flying a confederate flag?
 
Auntpolly, you're a fun poster and I usually enjoy reading what you have to say. Heck, more often than not, I agree with you.

However, this thread is kind of frustrating to me. You can feel what you want to feel, but, honestly, to make a sweeping generalization and say that every single person who flies and/or wears a confederate flag is a racist hillbilly seems sadly misguided and uninformed.

I'll agree with you that many people who display the flag are doing it for the wrong reasons and many of them are racists.

But to make a snap judgment that EVERYBODY who does it is hillbilly white trash.... well that's just as sad to me as someone actually *being* a racist or hillbilly. :sad2: Both are prejudiced and unhealthy.
 
auntpolly said:
I've always respected you and I'm sorry you feel that way, but I stand by my statement. We're talking about how we feel about things, what things mean to us. I guess it's OK for you guys but not for me.

If I were trying to tell you what to do, I could see your anger -- but you can't tell me how to feel!!!!


First, thank you. I usually agree with most of your posts but this one really hit below the belt. Everyone has a right to feel what they feel and express it...whether everyone agrees with it or not. I just find it offensive that you want to label most if not all of the south as white trash and racist hillbillies. Did you mean to, I hope not but you did.

You may never understand why or what the confederate flag means to some and that is ok. It is just a southern thing that many cannot relate to outside of hearing on TV and newspaper that it stands for hate and slavery today.

People can get compassionate about the confederate flag as you have witnessed on this thread. My stance is I know what it means to me as a southern born and southern bred lady. I do not own anything with the cf emblem on it and if I did it would not be flaunted around. A good man died because of a cf cell phone cover. He died in cold blood in front of my dh and other co-workers in the middle of the day. Both men were highly educated and successfull in their careers. One life ended and the other is over.
 

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