Do you think Disney will require vaccinations for Covid to board?

[Cheburashka]

During the Pfizer trials, there were approximately 21K people in both the trial and the control groups. In the vaccinated group, of the 21K people, 8 people contracted the virus. Clearly 8 is not 5% of 21,000 people.

One thing to note is that the vaccine trials only tested symptomatic people for the virus. Neither Moderna nor Pfizer tested asymptomatic participants, so there is currently no way to know how effective the vaccines are at preventing asymptomatic transmission of the virus (which we know is a huge factor in its spread). We know that the vaccines help prevent a large percentage of people from getting obviously sick from Covid, but that's not the same thing as preventing them from contracting Covid at all, or from spreading it to others.

 

[mmackeymouse]

My family and I fully intend to cruise Dec ‘21 if it happens! We’d prefer not to wear masks, but we will if that’s a requirement. My biggest reservation would be kids club...we don’t use the pool - we have one at home so it’s not “special” - and I am not a fan of buffets, so I’ll be fine to see those go - but DD loves kids club....so how (and IF) that will go is my primary concern!!

I think the kids clubs are a huge question mark. Theoretically, even if vaccines are required, kids are a group that (at least for a while) will not be included in that. Perhaps, even if masks are not required on the ship, they will be in the kids club. BUT....then, you are talking about those poor club counselors who will have to play mask police for a bunch of young kids. My niece and nephew are great about wearing masks, but trust me, I have seen some kids who want no part of masks.

I think there is also something to be said for relative risk. If they said, "You know....this virus isn't all that transmissible among children, isn't all that severe for children, it's rare for it to be transmitted from a child to adult, and should be even more rare if the adults are vaccinated." And just say....hey we're willing to take this chance and see how it goes.

Unfortunately, PR is everything. And, they could sail with 100,000 kids just fine, and all it would take for 1 child to get the virus and get it severely.....and you know it would be all over the news.

 

[jane01jp]

I think the kids clubs are a huge question mark. Theoretically, even if vaccines are required, kids are a group that (at least for a while) will not be included in that. Perhaps, even if masks are not required on the ship, they will be in the kids club. BUT....then, you are talking about those poor club counselors who will have to play mask police for a bunch of young kids. My niece and nephew are great about wearing masks, but trust me, I have seen some kids who want no part of masks.

I think there is also something to be said for relative risk. If they said, "You know....this virus isn't all that transmissible among children, isn't all that severe for children, it's rare for it to be transmitted from a child to adult, and should be even more rare if the adults are vaccinated." And just say....hey we're willing to take this chance and see how it goes.

Unfortunately, PR is everything. And, they could sail with 100,000 kids just fine, and all it would take for 1 child to get the virus and get it severely.....and you know it would be all over the news.

One part of me thinks that if there was a serious infection of a child on a DCL cruise we would never hear the end of it. Another part of me thinks that Disney is pretty good at keeping things from being overblown in the media.

 

[homeboycartel]

I was/am a Pfizer study participant. I’ve been tested 4 times within the trial, never when symptomatic. Your sources saying they only tested symptomatic subjects missing wrong.

 

[braysmommy]

I don't think DCL will decide this but if another major cruise line announces they will be requiring proof of vaccine I'm sure Disney will announce a few weeks later.

 

[Cheburashka]

I was/am a Pfizer study participant. I’ve been tested 4 times within the trial, never when symptomatic. Your sources saying they only tested symptomatic subjects missing wrong.

Pfizer did not assess for asymptomatic infection as part of their published research findings. Whatever data they gathered about asymptomatic disease prevention or lack thereof is not part of the efficacy data that has been published about the Pfizer vaccine. See below:

https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-...rk/vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-Vaccine/
Read down to "Limitations", and you'll find the following:

The primary efficacy endpoint was clinical disease; asymptomatic infection was not assessed, although additional data utilizing a serologic endpoint is being collected.

I'm not putting the vaccine down- I think it's great. Just want to keep the facts straight. Kudos to you for being a vaccine study participant!

 

[homeboycartel]

Pfizer did not assess for asymptomatic infection as part of their published research findings. Whatever data they gathered about asymptomatic disease prevention or lack thereof is not part of the efficacy data that has been published about the Pfizer vaccine. See below:

https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-...rk/vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-Vaccine/
Read down to "Limitations", and you'll find the following:

The primary efficacy endpoint was clinical disease; asymptomatic infection was not assessed, although additional data utilizing a serologic endpoint is being collected.

I'm not putting the vaccine down- I think it's great. Just want to keep the facts straight. Kudos to you for being a vaccine study participant!

I know that but I was answer the statement that they’re not testing asymptotic subjects. They tell us they will not know true efficacy here as the trial is 19 months. I log a diary weekly and had to keep an emergency test kit in my home. Their published data is as you state but there is more data being collected.

 

[coloradocutie]

I know that but I was answer the statement that they’re not testing asymptotic subjects. They tell us they will not know true efficacy here as the trial is 19 months. I log a diary weekly and had to keep an emergency test kit in my home. Their published data is as you state but there is more data being collected.

Thank you for being part of the trial! Thank you for all of your continued data collecting and dedication to this! As someone who just got the vaccine due to efforts like you- thank you!

 

[Birdie dog]

I had a thought this morning. DCL doesn't allow guests above 24 weeks gestation to sail, even with a doctors note and a totally normal pregnancy. Approx 10% of births in the US are defined as preterm, This is obviously because if there is a medical emergency, DCL isn't equip to deal with it.
For the same reason, I see DCL denying boarding for unvaccinated people on their ships. During Pfizer trials (with approx 44000 participants) one person who was vaccinated experienced serious illness post vaccine. Of the vaccinated, the small percent who contracted the virus showed mild symptoms and did not require hospitalisation. Therefore, a ship full of vaccinated guests will allow DCL to sail relatively risk free (or at least with the same risk as the occasional heart attack or stroke onboard), and sailing could return to normal.
If DCL can refuse pregnant women, they can 100% refuse those not vaccinated.
(BTW, severe illness is reported in 15-20% of covid patients.)

 

[jane01jp]

If DCL can refuse pregnant women, they can 100% refuse those not vaccinated.

No question that they can. Hard to say whether they will. I think a lot of it will depend on how successful the vaccine acceptance is. If half of Americans refuse it, I don't see DCL requiring it. If only 10% refuse it, I think they would.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

If DCL can refuse pregnant women, they can 100% refuse those not vaccinated.

Little bit of a difference there. DCL only goes by what the passenger tells them. If an over 24 week pregnant woman boards and says she's only at 20 weeks, and there's an issue, it's on her if there is a bad outcome.

If someone boards the ship who hasn't had the vaccine, saying they had the vaccine it can affect the entire ship's passenger load as well as crew.

 

[DisneyPrincess1]

I honestly don't think they will require vaccination before they allow folks to cruise. That is because I believe the cruise ships will be up and running before everyone gets vaccinated. If Disney feels it's safe to open Disney World and would love to open Disneyland, than I do not think they will require vaccinations. Maybe a Covid test at the very most.

 

[BadPinkTink]

I honestly don't think they will require vaccination before they allow folks to cruise. That is because I believe the cruise ships will be up and running before everyone gets vaccinated. If Disney feels it's safe to open Disney World and would love to open Disneyland, than I do not think they will require vaccinations. Maybe a Covid test at the very most.

the difference between cruising and Walt Disney World is that with cruising its international travel and to visit ports you have to comply with whatever rules and regulations the international Governments of the countries DCL wants to port at.

 

[TreeFalls]

I know that but I was answer the statement that they’re not testing asymptotic subjects. They tell us they will not know true efficacy here as the trial is 19 months. I log a diary weekly and had to keep an emergency test kit in my home. Their published data is as you state but there is more data being collected.

They said in the FDA meeting that they tested everyone, but the defined endpoint (the outcome that would get them the emergency use) was the reduction in symptomatic COVID infections so that is the data they analyzed first and presented. So we know the vaccine prevents symptomatic COVID, but they said they are currently analyzing the data to see whether it prevents detectable infection (and therefore, likely contagion).

 

[Birdie dog]

Little bit of a difference there. DCL only goes by what the passenger tells them. If an over 24 week pregnant woman boards and says she's only at 20 weeks, and there's an issue, it's on her if there is a bad outcome.

If someone boards the ship who hasn't had the vaccine, saying they had the vaccine it can affect the entire ship's passenger load as well as crew.

There will be vaccine passports. I'd expect to have to show one to board.

 

[Birdie dog]

No question that they can. Hard to say whether they will. I think a lot of it will depend on how successful the vaccine acceptance is. If half of Americans refuse it, I don't see DCL requiring it. If only 10% refuse it, I think they would.

If 50% of Americans get the vaccine, ships can sail relatively full and the cruise can be successful. Allowing un-vaccinated people on board will lead to more ships returning early, cancelled cruises, refunds and more lost money. Disney can't afford that.

 

[Birdie dog]

I honestly don't think they will require vaccination before they allow folks to cruise. That is because I believe the cruise ships will be up and running before everyone gets vaccinated. If Disney feels it's safe to open Disney World and would love to open Disneyland, than I do not think they will require vaccinations. Maybe a Covid test at the very most.

Disney World is a huge, open air area. Ships, unless you're on a crowded deck are all inside. That alone is the reason WDW is open and DCL is shuttered.

 

[Birdie dog]

There will be vaccine passports. I'd expect to have to show one to board.

https://www.hawaii-guide.com/hawaii-covid-vaccine
There is already language coming out of Hawaii that vaccine passports will be used for travel there. Europe will 100% require them.

 

[jane01jp]

Disney World is a huge, open air area. Ships, unless you're on a crowded deck are all inside. That alone is the reason WDW is open and DCL is shuttered.

That, and the CDC orders for cruises over 7 days, the international makeup of DCL cruise ship personnel, etc.

 

[jane01jp]

Europe will 100% require them.

Have European officials announced this?