Do You think DISNEY has gone down hlll the last few years?

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WDW has to be the only entity I know where they can raise the price, eliminate something, cut back on services, make something smaller, or lower the quality and many will say they are doing it for us. I own a business and if I lowered my quality of service or cut back on them and did this with a price increase I doubt I would have many of my customers walk into my doors and say, "Thank you may I have another, I'm glad you are looking out for me." ;)
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Some believe, Disney is focusing on new blood..guests, who don't know any better (difference).
 
Im shocked....The quality of how Universal employees act is enough to keep me away.....

That wasn't our experience! We found the Universal Orlando workers to be awesome. I know each family has different experiences with WDW vs. Universal Orlando, but we found the WDW CM's not up to par on our last trip to WDW, and the Universal Orlando workers going above and beyond on our last Universal Orlando trip.

Each trip brings different experiences, so we won't make comparisons. We love BOTH parks for different reasons.
 

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Hey there! Great post! I think on the monorail thread they are saying it's for maintenance. :confused3 This is something I don't buy. Disney has had monorails since their inception in 1971, never, EVER had they had to shut down service earlier than expected. And you're right, if it were one or two things they were cutting back on, okay I could accept that, but it's a whole laundry list of cutbacks and raising prices.

Couldn't agree more brunette.For 40 years the monorail was serviced fine now all of a sudden we need to close early for service.I ain't buying it.Looks like another cost cutter ploy to me! If this policy stays in effect it is a definite downgrade!
 
As a few of you know, I haven't been able to respond back to this thread, as hubby has been in hospital. We had a very stressful week, and were due at Disney today, but we had to cancel.

I am linking a thread I just started on the DVC board about how amazing they have been with us:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2764644


I wanted to share it here as a way to show you all that Disney has not gone downhill in terms of helping guests who are faced with emergencies, such as we were. They truly showed a level of compassion, kindness and support, that not many other companies show to customers/guests.

Thanks, Tiger
 
Glad to hear that disney treated you well during this ordeal.Hope everything works out!
 
Well from the grape vine I saw on another thread somewhere, Disney is only interested in the foreign visitor as they bring the money in and not the Americans. So they are reducing services and enjoyment along with discounts that Americans rely on. They think they can make up the loss of revenue from Americans that won't go without a discount with the foreign visitors. What will Disney do when air fare gets so out of range even the foreign visitors will not come? Large foreign tour groups equal big bucks for Disney.
 
That wasn't our experience! We found the Universal Orlando workers to be awesome. I know each family has different experiences with WDW vs. Universal Orlando, but we found the WDW CM's not up to par on our last trip to WDW, and the Universal Orlando workers going above and beyond on our last Universal Orlando trip.

Each trip brings different experiences, so we won't make comparisons. We love BOTH parks for different reasons.

We also found, the Universal employees went above and beyond on our last visit. If, they didn't have the answer to a question. They found someone who did. Very helpful and pleasant..:goodvibes
 
Many TM's and CM's work part time.

Many work at both parks.


the cm you see at splash mountain is also working at the mummy.



i haven't encountered problem cm's or tm's at either park.

 
Couldn't agree more brunette.For 40 years the monorail was serviced fine now all of a sudden we need to close early for service.I ain't buying it.Looks like another cost cutter ploy to me! If this policy stays in effect it is a definite downgrade!

Then again ... over 40 years, there had never been a fatal monorail crash or the significant amount of downtime that there has been lately. (Times where the monorails are simply unusable and extra bus fleets are deployed.) The intense scrutiny that the monorail system in particular took after the crash could have revealed a whole host of servicing issues that are now being addressed. Even though the accident itself was human error, who's to say that OSHA or NTSB or someone else didn't find other issues.

I imagine that it's two parts cost-cutting and one part upping the maintenance standards. If the monorails end up working better, being off-line less, are cleaner and better maintained due to less time on the beam and more time in service, then it might be worth it in the end.

:earsboy:
 
This is the hard part of this entire discussion....

I've read the responses written since my last post and continue to find myself fighting different emotions. My DW and I have spent tens of thousands of dollars at Disney over the years. We have stayed at all the premium resorts and a few moderates. We have been AP holders and TIW members for many years. We own a home near the parks, yet stay at least once a year on property.

While some may take issue with our positions, I feel that we are enough prime Disney Customers to have a legitimate gripe with the way some things work out. We have watched these changes take place and some of them are extremely sad to watch happen.

We go to the parks and spend a few hours, or to eat at a restaurant for the umteenth time (we have eaten at every park venue and all the major resort restaurants) so we know first hand some of the changes. Many, have been for the good, I have to admit.

Many unfortunately, for the worse. As a continued Disney Fan and supporter, it is clear that as a business, Disney needs to remain solvent and some of these changes, are necessary.

Rude CM's are not part of this equation. That said, you are less likely to run into a rude CM than you are a pleasant typical CM who is a pleasure to be around. The difference being, it seems that even though they are still an the exception, there seems to be more rude ones now than in the past. Though it is clear, most CM's are all that we had ever hoped for when visiting!

On Universal Studios....

For as much as at times we get frustrated with Disney, it is still "light years" ahead of US. DW and I spend hours upon hours at WDW. We have spent one day (albeit prior to Harry Potter) at US and don't desire to return. It is little more than Six Flags to us. It does little to stimulate the imagination or transform you into worlds of fantasy like no place other than Disney can provide. There are no miles of monorail lines that take you to beautifully themed resorts, where you can mingle and become absorbed in the ambiance of the theme. There are no boats connecting you to the different worlds and markets that can literally take up months to see in their entirety.

And crowd control? Has anyone left at closing time at US? How was the exit from the park and parking lot? How was the traffic?

No, US is no comparison to Disney. While we are frustrated with WDW, it is still a magical place that US is not on par with.

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Some of our best times at Disney were the ones that cost us little or nothing to realize. Disney is a business, this we all know.

For some of us, it is more than that and as patrons, we feel that we have a right to express our frustration with the way some things are progressing. It doesn't mean that we aren't huge Disney Fans. It simply means that we like the way things used to be and don't want to see Disney become so concerned with the bottom line that they forget what makes Disney, so magical....

Whether you agree or not with some of our assessments of the way things are, that is something I think we can all agree.

Pirate Jeff....

Aaaargh!!
 
Then again ... over 40 years, there had never been a fatal monorail crash or the significant amount of downtime that there has been lately. (Times where the monorails are simply unusable and extra bus fleets are deployed.) The intense scrutiny that the monorail system in particular took after the crash could have revealed a whole host of servicing issues that are now being addressed. Even though the accident itself was human error, who's to say that OSHA or NTSB or someone else didn't find other issues.

I imagine that it's two parts cost-cutting and one part upping the maintenance standards. If the monorails end up working better, being off-line less, are cleaner and better maintained due to less time on the beam and more time in service, then it might be worth it in the end.

:earsboy:
The fact remains the same, less hours of the monorail running for paying guests. Cutback any way you spin it. The crash should have nothing to do with it, it was driver error,period.I also would like to think disney was on top of the monorail maintenance for 40 years.If there is a problem, put more people on it fix it and be done with it.
 
This is the hard part of this entire discussion....

I've read the responses written since my last post and continue to find myself fighting different emotions. My DW and I have spent tens of thousands of dollars at Disney over the years. We have stayed at all the premium resorts and a few moderates. We have been AP holders and TIW members for many years. We own a home near the parks, yet stay at least once a year on property.

While some may take issue with our positions, I feel that we are enough prime Disney Customers to have a legitimate gripe with the way some things work out. We have watched these changes take place and some of them are extremely sad to watch happen.

We go to the parks and spend a few hours, or to eat at a restaurant for the umteenth time (we have eaten at every park venue and all the major resort restaurants) so we know first hand some of the changes. Many, have been for the good, I have to admit.

Many unfortunately, for the worse. As a continued Disney Fan and supporter, it is clear that as a business, Disney needs to remain solvent and some of these changes, are necessary.

Rude CM's are not part of this equation. That said, you are less likely to run into a rude CM than you are a pleasant typical CM who is a pleasure to be around. The difference being, it seems that even though they are still an the exception, there seems to be more rude ones now than in the past. Though it is clear, most CM's are all that we had ever hoped for when visiting!

On Universal Studios....

For as much as at times we get frustrated with Disney, it is still "light years" ahead of US. DW and I spend hours upon hours at WDW. We have spent one day (albeit prior to Harry Potter) at US and don't desire to return. It is little more than Six Flags to us. It does little to stimulate the imagination or transform you into worlds of fantasy like no place other than Disney can provide. There are no miles of monorail lines that take you to beautifully themed resorts, where you can mingle and become absorbed in the ambiance of the theme. There are no boats connecting you to the different worlds and markets that can literally take up months to see in their entirety.

And crowd control? Has anyone left at closing time at US? How was the exit from the park and parking lot? How was the traffic?

No, US is no comparison to Disney. While we are frustrated with WDW, it is still a magical place that US is not on par with.

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Some of our best times at Disney were the ones that cost us little or nothing to realize. Disney is a business, this we all know.

For some of us, it is more than that and as patrons, we feel that we have a right to express our frustration with the way some things are progressing. It doesn't mean that we aren't huge Disney Fans. It simply means that we like the way things used to be and don't want to see Disney become so concerned with the bottom line that they forget what makes Disney, so magical....

Whether you agree or not with some of our assessments of the way things are, that is something I think we can all agree.

Pirate Jeff....

Aaaargh!!

It's a funny coincidence that you posted Universal is like Six Flags because I was coming to post that Disney has become like Six Flags.

In our many experiences at both Universal(since 2002) and WDW(since 1973), Universal has leapt ahead in a few key areas:

Resorts- Feel more luxe, fabulously helpful CMs-their club levels staffs puts Disney's club level CMs to shame. They make you feel that they appreciate your business. You can actually walk to the parks instead of taking the bus, driving, or paying for a taxi. The resort restaurants has fantastic food.

Parks-The themeing is over the top wonderful. We love the restaurants. The rides are terrific. FOTL makes for a relaxing trip rather than having to run around the parks like the proverbial chicken getting FPs. The merchandise at Uni is unique throughout the parks. Shrek has Shrek themed merchandise. Revenge of the Mummy has cool Egyptian themed items. At Disney much of the merchandise has become homogenized. I remember when at WDW each ride had their own unique items and I don't mean just t shirts.

City Walk- While Disney has all but closed every adult night time venue, Universal offers many clubs and restaurants. There is some great merchandise as well.

I'm an eternal optimist, I keep returning to WDW hoping that it will improve. We don't hate Disney, we just LOVE Universal.
 
...this one's a hard one for me to weigh in on, but I guess I'll jump in and put my 2 cents in...

While I'm at the parks, I find that I'm really trying my best to be a GUEST and as a mom who wants to experience Disney with her daughter and put on THOSE sunglasses :3dglasses and not see things through the eyes of a CM :eek: and that has been the toughest challenge for me.

I've loved Disney since I was a little girl and growing up, I had a Mickey Mouse bedroom, was one of those who cried when I saw Beauty & the Beast and Little Mermaid and my folks took us to Disneyland when we were 7 or 8 and then again when I graduated from HS and then I was hooked. When I had the chance to work at WDW, I took it...and in a few years when we retire, I'm hoping to go back! :woohoo:

At the time, I didn't realize it, but I had THE BEST SUPERVISORS ***EVER*** while working at WDW. In the mid-90s, "empowerment" was the buzz word and at the groundlevel, it was instilled in us that we were empowered to make decisions since we were the "face" of Disney that the guests saw up close & personal. Loved that. In exchange for that responsibility, we were to make sure that everything in our work place was in tip-top shape--no litter on the floor, it's raining, the floor's slick--safety issue--quick! Go get a mop & a sign so no one slips. Call maintenance that a lightbulb's out [and the bulb was--indeed--replaced the very next morning :wizard:]. We'd even see cobwebs--knock them down--if we could. If they were too high, then we'd call for them to take care of that overnight [and it was :wizard:]. If we saw a palmetto bug or two :scared1:--our 'supe' made sure that was addressed too. What I did not know at the time and found as I continued to work there, I had hard-nosed "old school" supervisors who had it drilled in them and, in turn, they drilled it into me/us--people are here from all over the world, they take vacation time to get away, they spend $$$, our business is 'magic'--let's do all and everything we can to make it as magical as possible for them.

Were our supervisors on us? ABSOLUTELY. Every single day, they'd check in with us and make sure we were on our toes--had a bad day? Leave it backstage. Have a tough encounter with a guest? Go backstage, take a break, collect yourself and them come back out--I'll take over for you 'til you can come back out. Hey, you're looking sweaty, go change and wipe down. Tuck your shirt in. Your nails--don't use that color. Your eye makeup is on too heavy. Did you put highlights in your hair or are you just getting too much sun? You got too much sun--you're skin's peeling--that's not very Disney. We even had breathmints in the office so that we wouldn't have coffee breath--or worse--while talking to a guest. There was a lightning strike and my neighbor got her entire face burned by the corded telephone she was using during the storm and had to work backstage because of how she looked until she got better. Your uniform is too tight--you need the next size up. [I'm not the skinny kid I used to be and the weight I am now, I probably wouldn't be able to work onstage--I know I'd probably be backstage.] We were inspected from head to toe. When we were hired, we knew we were hired for a role and the park was our stage--we knew the rules upfront and we could take them or take them. There was no "leave them." It was expected of us. Many times, guests safety was in our hands--and at least our team--we didn't take that lightly! We didn't want to let our supes down.

They'd even have undercover CMs in disguise that were testing/checking us out, how we'd act under pressure, if we fit the "disney look," if we were courteous, if we used the 'two finger' point, etc. And we'd get the 'report cards' later and 'coached' if necessary.

So, fast forward to now--I'm a guest, we've been going every year for 4 years, and every year I really try to go as a GUEST and enjoy myself, but it's hard--especially when I see safety issues and I see older guests with canes headed that way [like at the Figment ride at EPCOT just this past year]. I saw 2 guests in a row slip and fall on their @sses--serious hard falls because they were both wearing crocs and it had just rained and people were running inside to get to the ride because of the rain. I was sitting there for just a few minutes as I got dd out of the stroller, and boom! Someone fell and then boom! another fell. Sorry--I can't just let that happen, esp. when I see someone elderly getting ready to walk in. What are the CMs doing??? Chatting with each other--they saw what happened, but they continued on making their plans for later that night. That was :eek: for me. I told one of them to get a mop or call someone to get a caution sign out, get a rug so people wouldn't slip as they walked in. Their reaction? Oh--that's not necessary. :scared1: You just saw 2 guests slip and fall and you think that's not necessary? That was it--I then asked to speak to their supe.

The flagrant safety things that are obvious to me (either because they are really obvious or because of the training I received at WDW) makes me wonder about training now or maybe they don't care? I was on a thread about CMs wearing their costumes offsite. We would've never dreamed of ever doing that. It was part of the magic and we didn't want to do anything that would detract from anything less than an incredible magical stay at WDW.

I bought the magic bit--hook, line and sinker. It's hard for me to see the changes--the declines, if you will--even in just the past four years. While checking into All Star Music last year, there were 2 CMs actually ARGUING with each other in front of the guests :scared1: while there was a mile-long wait for guests waiting and watching the whole thing. "I'm off the clock, you take the next guest" "no, I'm on a break, you take him"--it was awful. Called the supe over again since these two CMs couldn't seem to work it out after several back-and-forths of this. My point is, you've got guests, like us, who were just checking in and you have two CMs in a very loud, verbal altercation near the front door? :sad2: Yeah, no. That was my first impression when we walked in after flying all day, anticipating our visit for a year, planning, getting a rental in high heat and humidity and you walk in with such great anticipation to find that--sorry. That's a 'no go' for me and a chip in the 'magic.'

I've noticed over the past few years that Disney has taken on a large contingent of CMs from other countries [namely China] and haven't seen so many American CMs--I'm curious as to why from a management perspective. That probably wouldn't even enter the minds of a regular guest.

Now, would these sorts of things bother/enter the minds of the regular guest? I don't know. Probably they wouldn't notice these things or it wouldn't bother them. But it's not the Disney that was drilled into me.

But, that's how I see some decline in my beloved Disney...This next trip will be our last for a few years as dd will start school fulltime. Maybe with knowing it's the last trip 'til I don't know when, it'll be my farewell trip filled with pixiedust: once again...
 
It's a funny coincidence that you posted Universal is like Six Flags because I was coming to post that Disney has become like Six Flags.

In our many experiences at both Universal(since 2002) and WDW(since 1973), Universal has leapt ahead in a few key areas:

Resorts- Feel more luxe, fabulously helpful CMs-their club levels staffs puts Disney's club level CMs to shame. They make you feel that they appreciate your business. You can actually walk to the parks instead of taking the bus, driving, or paying for a taxi. The resort restaurants has fantastic food.

Parks-The themeing is over the top wonderful. We love the restaurants. The rides are terrific. FOTL makes for a relaxing trip rather than having to run around the parks like the proverbial chicken getting FPs. The merchandise at Uni is unique throughout the parks. Shrek has Shrek themed merchandise. Revenge of the Mummy has cool Egyptian themed items. At Disney much of the merchandise has become homogenized. I remember when at WDW each ride had their own unique items and I don't mean just t shirts.

City Walk- While Disney has all but closed every adult night time venue, Universal offers many clubs and restaurants. There is some great merchandise as well.

I'm an eternal optimist, I keep returning to WDW hoping that it will improve. We don't hate Disney, we just LOVE Universal.

I totally agree. Give me Universal anytime. WDW is feeling very dated and stagnant. I would take DL over WDW any day. At least they are keeping things fresh and exciting.
 
Not sure I agree with that, not in it's entireity (sp). Disneys profits as a company are up almost 54% but their theme park divisions profits and revenue continue to be flat. They had a small uptick in spending over the holidays but thats it...

What I found interesting is the Iger recently said that the reason Disney is having a good year is because of Harry Potter land at Universal. So don't you think it would be wise to step up their game if your ceo is mentioning the competitor. Sorry no way, no how can you compare what disneyoffers today to what it offered 5,8 or 10 years ago.

Although it did not provide specific figures, Disney said Disney World attendance was up "more than 2 percent" during the quarter while Disneyland, in Anaheim, Calif., was "slightly down" from last year. Disney suggested its Orlando theme parks are benefitting from the huge crowds being drawn to the region by Universal Orlando's popular Wizarding World of Harry Potter.

There use to be a time when Disney was the reason people where coming to Orlando. LOL.

"They built a great property down there," Iger said during a conference call with analysts. "And I believe when a competitor puts a good property in the marketplace, it brings more people to the market. So I think it stimulates attendance to Orlando, and we all know that's good for us. Because we usually get a good piece of all visitation to Orlando."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...hip-disney-world-attendance-walt-disney-parks

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:eek:

I'm sorry...:sad2: When you have the CEO saying these things--it just doesn't leave me with a feeling of warm & fuzzies. It seems like they KNOW there's a decline and are just riding US' coat tails. Maybe the problem is this pervasive attitude that we're seeing at the park-level is because it's the attitude that coming down from the very top of the ladder. Sad.

Has Iger ever heard of, "It's not what you said, it's what you didn't say..." ? :confused:
 
Pirate Jeff, I agree with much of what you say as a rule but you comparing Universal to Six Flags is way out there IMO. I've done both and trust me, Universal is no Six Flags. Maybe it was at one time but right now it's pretty darn nice.

However, to me that is irrelevant. If Disney has gone downhill that is comparing the Disney parks to what they once were and how good or bad other parks are has nothing to do with that. If Disney was an 'A' and has become a 'B' while the prices skyrocket that in itself is room for concern.
 
...this one's a hard one for me to weigh in on, but I guess I'll jump in and put my 2 cents in...

:At the time, I didn't realize it, but I had THE BEST SUPERVISORS ***EVER*** while working at WDW. In the mid-90s, "empowerment" was the buzz word and at the groundlevel, it was instilled in us that we were empowered to make decisions since we were the "face" of Disney that the guests saw up close & personal. Loved that. In exchange for that responsibility, we were to make sure that everything in our work place was in tip-top shape--no litter on the floor, it's raining, the floor's slick--safety issue--quick! Go get a mop & a sign so no one slips. Call maintenance that a lightbulb's out [and the bulb was--indeed--replaced the very next morning :wizard:]. We'd even see cobwebs--knock them down--if we could. If they were too high, then we'd call for them to take care of that overnight [and it was :wizard:]. If we saw a palmetto bug or two :scared1:--our 'supe' made sure that was addressed too. What I did not know at the time and found as I continued to work there, I had hard-nosed "old school" supervisors who had it drilled in them and, in turn, they drilled it into me/us--people are here from all over the world, they take vacation time to get away, they spend $$$, our business is 'magic'--let's do all and everything we can to make it as magical as possible for them.

Were our supervisors on us? ABSOLUTELY. Every single day, they'd check in with us and make sure we were on our toes--had a bad day? Leave it backstage. Have a tough encounter with a guest? Go backstage, take a break, collect yourself and them come back out--I'll take over for you 'til you can come back out. Hey, you're looking sweaty, go change and wipe down. Tuck your shirt in. Your nails--don't use that color. Your eye makeup is on too heavy. Did you put highlights in your hair or are you just getting too much sun? You got too much sun--you're skin's peeling--that's not very Disney. We even had breathmints in the office so that we wouldn't have coffee breath--or worse--while talking to a guest. There was a lightning strike and my neighbor got her entire face burned by the corded telephone she was using during the storm and had to work backstage because of how she looked until she got better. Your uniform is too tight--you need the next size up. [I'm not the skinny kid I used to be and the weight I am now, I probably wouldn't be able to work onstage--I know I'd probably be backstage.] We were inspected from head to toe. When we were hired, we knew we were hired for a role and the park was our stage--we knew the rules upfront and we could take them or take them. There was no "leave them." It was expected of us. Many times, guests safety was in our hands--and at least our team--we didn't take that lightly! We didn't want to let our supes down.

They'd even have undercover CMs in disguise that were testing/checking us out, how we'd act under pressure, if we fit the "disney look," if we were courteous, if we used the 'two finger' point, etc. And we'd get the 'report cards' later and 'coached' if necessary.

So, fast forward to now--I'm a guest, we've been going every year for 4 years, and every year I really try to go as a GUEST and enjoy myself, but it's hard--especially when I see safety issues and I see older guests with canes headed that way [like at the Figment ride at EPCOT just this past year]. I saw 2 guests in a row slip and fall on their @sses--serious hard falls because they were both wearing crocs and it had just rained and people were running inside to get to the ride because of the rain. I was sitting there for just a few minutes as I got dd out of the stroller, and boom! Someone fell and then boom! another fell. Sorry--I can't just let that happen, esp. when I see someone elderly getting ready to walk in. What are the CMs doing??? Chatting with each other--they saw what happened, but they continued on making their plans for later that night. That was :eek: for me. I told one of them to get a mop or call someone to get a caution sign out, get a rug so people wouldn't slip as they walked in. Their reaction? Oh--that's not necessary. :scared1: You just saw 2 guests slip and fall and you think that's not necessary? That was it--I then asked to speak to their supe.

The flagrant safety things that are obvious to me (either because they are really obvious or because of the training I received at WDW) makes me wonder about training now or maybe they don't care? I was on a thread about CMs wearing their costumes offsite. We would've never dreamed of ever doing that. It was part of the magic and we didn't want to do anything that would detract from anything less than an incredible magical stay at WDW.

I bought the magic bit--hook, line and sinker. It's hard for me to see the changes--the declines, if you will--even in just the past four years. While checking into All Star Music last year, there were 2 CMs actually ARGUING with each other in front of the guests :scared1: while there was a mile-long wait for guests waiting and watching the whole thing. "I'm off the clock, you take the next guest" "no, I'm on a break, you take him"--it was awful. Called the supe over again since these two CMs couldn't seem to work it out after several back-and-forths of this. My point is, you've got guests, like us, who were just checking in and you have two CMs in a very loud, verbal altercation near the front door? :sad2: Yeah, no. That was my first impression when we walked in after flying all day, anticipating our visit for a year, planning, getting a rental in high heat and humidity and you walk in with such great anticipation to find that--sorry. That's a 'no go' for me and a chip in the 'magic.'

I've noticed over the past few years that Disney has taken on a large contingent of CMs from other countries [namely China] and haven't seen so many American CMs--I'm curious as to why from a management perspective. That probably wouldn't even enter the minds of a regular guest.

Now, would these sorts of things bother/enter the minds of the regular guest? I don't know. Probably they wouldn't notice these things or it wouldn't bother them. But it's not the Disney that was drilled into me.

But, that's how I see some decline in my beloved Disney...This next trip will be our last for a few years as dd will start school fulltime. Maybe with knowing it's the last trip 'til I don't know when, it'll be my farewell trip filled with pixiedust: once again...
Great post.. spot on!! Yes, there is a tremendous difference. Unfortunately, some just accept mediocrity. Thank you for being part of the Magical years!:goodvibes
 
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