Do you really want to go back to WDW so soon?

[The Prophet]

I just posted this elsewhere, but I think I should post it here too. No one should look at when WDW or anywhere else reopening as a sign that it’s “safe”. My whole family got the flu on a Disney Cruise which many consider “safe”. You risk contracting many diseases, some deadlier than others, every time you go out in public. The best any of us can do it to make the most informed decision for ourselves and our families based on the information we have. If I was older and/or high risk, I would be hesitant to go into large crowds on a regular day. I am more cautious during the winter months because of the flu. People keep acting like getting the flu at any age is no big deal. Let me tell you, it’s a huge deal and kills healthy people unlike this virus. This virus is scary because it is novel, we don’t have a vaccine, and we don’t know a lot about it yet. Why are some areas having more hospitals admissions and deaths than others? Why isn’t it spreading in other areas as much when they were slow to shut things down despite a large number of infected? We don’t know, and that’s scary. I’ll close this post with one thing for everyone to think on: Why aren’t they telling us the number of critically ill or dead patient who smoked in the past, currently smoke, or vape as an underlying medical condition? I haven’t seen that data anywhere. Have you?

Look at my post -- #138 of this thread
The video may surprise you

 

[momcubed892]

I had a bounceback reservation for October 2020. I cancelled last week and have already received my refund. My family and I have decided to postpone visiting Disney and USF for now.

 

[ffcheff]

Look at my post -- #138 of this thread
The video may surprise you

Look up Flu deaths for march 2020 in pennsylvania. My state says the flu stopped in pa as of march 28

 

[MouseyMin]

I don't see how they can reopen any time soon. Not until there is universal testing available. Taking temperatures at the gate won't do much to help, since at least 25% of infected people are asymptomatic carriers.

I have another topic that no one has commented on yet - hotel rooms. Are they going to sanitize them in between guests? If not, people can be infected by touching things in their rooms, if the previous guest was a carrier.

And what about people who get sick while at Disney? They can't travel home like that and I've read that some patients are sick for as much as 3 weeks. Are they supposed to stay in their hotel rooms? How will they get food and medical help?

 

[Brett Wyman]

Look at my post -- #138 of this thread
The video may surprise you

Thats a seriously suspect looking webpage.

 

[Mumof4mice]

I’m an ICU physician and have taken care of many COVID-19 patients.

In the last three years, we’ve been to Disney World 7 times, Disneyland twice, and spent two weeks on DCL.

I have no interest in returning to Disney this year. 0.5-2% mortality rate 5% ICU admission rate, and 20% hospitalization rate. Those numbers may be high because of asymptomatic cases, but even if the rates were half of that, I’d still be worried.

I’ve looked this disease in the eye and told family members to make their last calls to each other.

Disney’s a luxury I can pass on for now and we’re all “low-risk.” I’ll wait for either excessive testing with contact tracing and disease suppression, herd immunity, or a vaccine.

DH and I are both MDs; not front line and haven't intubated anyone for 18 years. Our best friends, an ER attending and a surgeon, have updated their will entrusting their child to us. The hospital contingency plans they shared with us are terrifying.

Unfortunately, people of all educational levels can disregard facts when emotions are involved. Even when body bags are carried out of their own buildings, "they have comorbidities". I've given up on trying to reason with people who insist the flu is deadlier (false) or depression and self harm will kill more people therefore we should open everything back up, so stock markets can recover. The same people will either breeze through with mild symptoms, affirming their sense of superiority, or be the ones latching on to the last ventilator in the hospital, demanding treatment.

Thank you for your service, and hope you and your family stay safe and well.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I had a bounceback reservation for October 2020. I cancelled last week and have already received my refund. My family and I have decided to postpone visiting Disney and USF for now.

Cancelling for October? Wow.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

The number of COVID deaths is a lagging indicator and will decease every day.

As I am typing, 3,179 folks passed away today from non-COVID related causes
The US averages 2.8 million non-COVID deaths annually and due to genetics and/or our lifestyle choices, I do not see a big change in this number

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/health/coronavirus-not-leading-cause-of-death-us-trnd/index.html

Not sure if you replied to wrong person. I was specifically talking about NYC, not the entire country. Also, you say deaths will decrease every day. The link I provided shows the opposite. Deaths are increasing every day in NYC.

Another thing I’m confused about. You say 3,179 folks passed away today from non-Covid causes. Am I understanding correctly that you are saying less people passed away today from Covid-19 than passed away from ALL OTHER causes of death combined?

 

[The Prophet]

Not sure if you replied to wrong person. I was specifically talking about NYC, not the entire country. Also, you say deaths will decrease every day. The link I provided shows the opposite. Deaths are increasing every day in NYC.

Another thing I’m confused about. You say 3,179 folks passed away today from non-Covid causes. Am I understanding correctly that you are saying less people passed away today from Covid-19 than passed away from ALL OTHER causes of death combined?

Your last sentence is correct. The US is averaging approximately 7,700 non-COVID deaths daily. This is over 2.8 million per year

 

[TexasChick123]

Wow. I knew heart disease and cancer killed many, but I honestly had no idea it was this many.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...he-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us-cdc-says/
I will add again that every death is sad and tragic regardless of the cause. I just wanted to share some facts.

 

[TexasChick123]

Here is an article which shows what’s going on in places that aren’t overwhelmed:

https://www.businessinsider.com/hos...ic-turmoil-in-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-4

 

[kboo]

I am also wondering whether a lot of the deaths in NYC are in poverty stricken areas.
In our house we have daily conversations with brokers/investors who work in NYC and haven't spoken to ANYONE in the last month who has REMAINED in NYC.
They have all moved out to other homes or are living with relatives in surrounding states.

Yep, and the locals are angry that their hospitals are going to get overwhelmed. We are "stuck" in NYC for the duration* since DH is an MD and he will be volunteering in the (COVID) ICU starting next week. He hasn't intubated anyone in over 25 years, which is partly why he volunteered for the ICU, where they've already been intubated. But he is steeling himself for the worst.

*We were supposed to be in SoCal at DL this week. I had scored a VGC studio, had made plans to visit with a friend who works for Disney and whose husband was going to basically be our DL "concierge" for us. Now hoping for Christmas.

They're lucky... we're lucky too, because we get to stay at home and we're not losing our income. But I have friends who work as doctors in CA and NY and they still have to go to work at their hospitals and treat patients. This is serious and it honestly baffles me how there are still those out there that think this is "just a cold virus" and that all this is unnecessary. My friends tell me that a lot of doctors are working extra and without pay, and they've been having non-ICU doctors work in the ICU at many hospitals across the country. Lack of sufficient medical resources is a real issue.

Yep, DH's hospital is a specialty private hospital, but they are taking covid overflow from one of the big public hospitals in the city. The reason why they haven't done it already (And hooray, deaths are flattening - the last few days it's "only" been slightly over 500 per day *in the hospital*, down from a high of 799 last week) is because they had to secure enough PPE, convert the ORs to ICUs (which also meant convincing a lot of surgeons to cancel their surgeries because they were non-essential) and figure out how to safely care for covid patients with medical personnel who haven't done internal medicine, critical care, and infectious disease care in years (MDs) or ever (support staff). Anecdotally, there are stories of inpatients testing positive and getting really sick with COVID, meaning they got infected while they were in the hospital, on a supposedly covid-free floor.

Almost impossible to get a test where I live. Even with a prescription, there’s nowhere to get it. There’s one hospital near me that does drive through testing, but you first have to get a prescription through one of their affiliates, and from anecdotes I’ve heard from coworkers, friends, and family, they are not just handing our prescriptions. Employees of that hospital can get the test if they have symptoms, however.

DH was exposed in early March (by a then-asymptomatic patient) and could not get a test - at the time, he was told to self quarantine for 2 weeks before he could go "back" to work. Now, there is no such luxury here in NY(C) - they are to gear up, assume they've been exposed, and keep working.

Are they going to sanitize them in between guests? If not, people can be infected by touching things in their rooms, if the previous guest was a carrier.

My workplace (government) is looking into installing some sort of UV system to quickly sanitize certain high traffic spaces. The issue is - apparently only UV-C is very effective, and it's hella dangerous to people. Also, the virus only remains active on surfaces for up to 72 hours, so there's the possibility of closing up a room for 72 hours before anyone goes in there to clean. (I am not a hospitality industry worker, though, and don't claim to have any expertise, so this is probably completely unfeasible!)

@Kevin42565 - thank you for your service.

 

[a1tinkfans]

Op:
Do I Want to go... Yes!!!
Will I go, No... cashing in our Annuals and will look into it early /mid next year.
This Stinks!

 

[donaldbuzz&minnie]

I've given up on trying to reason with people who insist the flu is deadlier (false) or depression and self harm will kill more people therefore we should open everything back up, so stock markets can recover. The same people will either breeze through with mild symptoms, affirming their sense of superiority, or be the ones latching on to the last ventilator in the hospital, demanding treatment.

Yep - or infect the poor cashier at the grocery store who doesn't have any choice about working there because she has to bring home a paycheck.

 

[CaliAdventurer]

Yep, and the locals are angry that their hospitals are going to get overwhelmed. We are "stuck" in NYC for the duration* since DH is an MD and he will be volunteering in the (COVID) ICU starting next week. He hasn't intubated anyone in over 25 years, which is partly why he volunteered for the ICU, where they've already been intubated. But he is steeling himself for the worst.

*We were supposed to be in SoCal at DL this week. I had scored a VGC studio, had made plans to visit with a friend who works for Disney and whose husband was going to basically be our DL "concierge" for us. Now hoping for Christmas.


Yep, DH's hospital is a specialty private hospital, but they are taking covid overflow from one of the big public hospitals in the city. The reason why they haven't done it already (And hooray, deaths are flattening - the last few days it's "only" been slightly over 500 per day *in the hospital*, down from a high of 799 last week) is because they had to secure enough PPE, convert the ORs to ICUs (which also meant convincing a lot of surgeons to cancel their surgeries because they were non-essential) and figure out how to safely care for covid patients with medical personnel who haven't done internal medicine, critical care, and infectious disease care in years (MDs) or ever (support staff). Anecdotally, there are stories of inpatients testing positive and getting really sick with COVID, meaning they got infected while they were in the hospital, on a supposedly covid-free floor.



DH was exposed in early March (by a then-asymptomatic patient) and could not get a test - at the time, he was told to self quarantine for 2 weeks before he could go "back" to work. Now, there is no such luxury here in NY(C) - they are to gear up, assume they've been exposed, and keep working.



My workplace (government) is looking into installing some sort of UV system to quickly sanitize certain high traffic spaces. The issue is - apparently only UV-C is very effective, and it's hella dangerous to people. Also, the virus only remains active on surfaces for up to 72 hours, so there's the possibility of closing up a room for 72 hours before anyone goes in there to clean. (I am not a hospitality industry worker, though, and don't claim to have any expertise, so this is probably completely unfeasible!)

@Kevin42565 - thank you for your service.

UV takes time to work. I work in marketing for commercial HVAC and our proposed solution is 4 parts, polarized field filters, ionizers, humidity, & UV. Sounds like a lot but its actually easily done. We also have portable HEPA clean rooms going out that can be used in school rooms to field hospitals.

 

[monica9]

I think the issue with all of the people looking to judge someone else's plans is, everyone's situation is completely different. Someone who is not high risk will return to normal life quicker than someone who is high risk, and that is fine. Someone high risk will likely still need to wear a mask or other covering for a year or more until they have a vaccine or better treatment option, and that is ok. Someone who is paranoid may not want to return to normal activities ever, and that is ok. Medical personnel (I worked in hospitals for years) also see the worst of a virus and it changes their opinions and responses, and that is ok.

The thing is, we need to stop worrying about what our neighbor is doing and make decisions for ourselves and allow them to do the same thing. Our family is younger and healthier and quite frankly I am not that worried about them contracting it, that is my opinion. I would rather they get immunity that way rather than a new vaccine, again my opinion based on our circumstances. We will likely return mid june if it is open. Will it be annoying when people are bumping into you and will we wash our hands more often and avoid touching things, sure. But we are not looking to change our lives. This will not go away, just like most other diseases, we will likely see another spike, look at the stats from the Spanish Flu, once they release lockdowns it is guaranteed, but that is also the only way to get it through the population and not stay locked down for years to come.

Agreed. God, the vaccine is something I definitely do not want to have to get. I can imagine what’s in it considering how fast they are going with it and skipping animal studies. Yikes. I’d rather build my own immunity to this.

 

[DVC92]

I concur with Kevin42565. I am cancelling all trips for this year and won't return until next May assuming the disease is behind us or there is a vaccine.

 

[TexasChick123]

I think people need to start thinking about what they’re going to do if a vaccine takes several years to come out which it probably will. Most vaccines take decades, not 18 months. Fauci has been very careful to state we are “at least” 12-18 months out from a new vaccine. The first vaccines sometimes have awful side effects and can kill people. I don’t think I’ll be rushing to get this vaccine until it’s been out for a while. I just had to throw away my Zantac, something I’ve taken for years, because it can have 26,000x the acceptable amount of a carcinogen if it wasn’t stored properly at any point in time. This was FDA approved until recently since 1986. I’m in no way an anti-vaxxer, but I won’t be rushing to get this vaccine until it’s out and proven for a several years.

 

[monica9]

I think people need to start thinking about what they’re going to do if a vaccine takes several years to come out which it probably will. Most vaccines take decades, not 18 months. Fauci has been very careful to state we are “at least” 12-18 months out from a new vaccine. The first vaccines sometimes have awful side effects and can kill people. I don’t think I’ll be rushing to get this vaccine until it’s been out for a while. I just had to throw away my Zantac, something I’ve taken for years, because it can have 26,000x the acceptable amount of a carcinogen if it wasn’t stored properly at any point in time. This was FDA approved until recently since 1986. I’m in no way an anti-vaxxer, but I won’t be rushing to get this vaccine until it’s out and proven for a several years.

Same here. I won’t take Zantac anymore. I work at a hospital and praying they don’t make me get a vaccine in the first year!

 

[BWV Dreamin]

So, when they open, if they tell me I have to wear a mask, have my temp taken, use a virtual boarding que for rides, be restricted to what I may have access to, etc., then I can decide if it is worth going.

Hmmmm, trying to find the “ fun” in that kind of trip.......