Do people really do this? Use 2 Magic Bands for 6 FP+??

[BuckeyeBama]

I didn't scan that article very closely. But am I getting the idea that I can take our magic bands from a trip back in Sept 2013 that was booked on a completely different MDE account to the parks next month to use for extra fast passes?

I am not arguing the right or wrong, or even really planning on doing this (I am in the "that's a lot of work" camp), I just don't fully understand the idea.

Only if those bands are linked to a different "person" and have tickets attached to them.

 

[FigmentIsTheBest]

From Disney website (my hi-lights) Passes/Rules

Under General Rules:
Tickets and other entitlements are non-transferable, non-exchangeable, non-refundable, revocable and void if altered. The ticket must be used by the same person during its period of validity and is not valid for special events that require a separate admission charge. Please present your ticket and TicketTag confirmation for re-entry into the Park on the same day.

Under Passes:
All Passes: All passes exclude activities/events separately priced. Pass types, entitlements and prices subject to change without notice. Passes are nontransferable and nonrefundable.


Just saying.

 

[Rhetts1stWDW]

But the article did say the second magic bands didn't need a ticket attached to them. That is why I am confused.

 

[IrishNYC]

I truly think that if people are more vocal about this, and let their complaints be heard, Disney will put an end to it.

 

[Disfan1968]

I didn't scan that article very closely. But am I getting the idea that I can take our magic bands from a trip back in Sept 2013 that was booked on a completely different MDE account to the parks next month to use for extra fast passes?

I am not arguing the right or wrong, or even really planning on doing this (I am in the "that's a lot of work" camp), I just don't fully understand the idea.

The article was worse actually. It stated you can hide your magic bands and find a CM at a kiosk and claim you knew nothing about Fast Passes until you arrived. Then you can buy some or already have some unlinked Magic Bands and have the cast member activate them and book you a second set of passes. The article further encourages you to play dumb and claim you have something else going on during your "real" fastpass window (such as, "We are going back to the resort to swim right now, can we book these for this evening?). It's really skeezy.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

From Disney website (my hi-lights)

Under General Rules:
Tickets and other entitlements are non-transferable, non-exchangeable, non-refundable, revocable and void if altered. The ticket must be used by the same person during its period of validity and is not valid for special events that require a separate admission charge. Please present your ticket and TicketTag confirmation for re-entry into the Park on the same day.

Under Passes:
All Passes: All passes exclude activities/events separately priced. Pass types, entitlements and prices subject to change without notice. Passes are nontransferable and nonrefundable.


Just saying.

I see nothing in that policy that would keep me from doing what I do, and neither does Disney - I have asked multiple times. Just saying.

 

[sunshine girl]

But it's not that the system wouldn't allow making FP+ in advance. It's that there are many of us who think it should be an easy fix to only allow SDFP to be accessed when the admission media attached to a given magic band has been used to enter the park that day.

Under FP-, you couldn't use a ticket that had not been used to enter the park that day to get a FP. Why can't the same principle work with MBs?

Actually, under old FP- there was a point before the switch to magicbands, etc., at which one could use any room-only Key to the World card to pull a FP. There was never a ticket involved/attached to the KTTW card - it was just a room key. So if you had a big stack of old room keys, you could get a big stack of FPs.

I also heard that there was a time when the old FP machines would give you a FP if you inserted any card with a magnetic strip, such as a credit card.

Anyway, my point is, the old fastpass system was not foolproof either. There were plenty of ways to game that system!

 

[FigmentIsTheBest]

But the article did say the second magic bands didn't need a ticket attached to them. That is why I am confused.

I think it does to be able to book passes, but if they don't use that band at the gate that ticket is not activated. = Free FP



POST #32 would fix this.

 

[IrishNYC]

I see nothing in that policy that would keep me from doing what I do, and neither does Disney - I have asked multiple times. Just saying.

"Passes must be used by the same person" and "passes are non-transferrable" means your ticket is your ticket and your wife's ticket is your wife's ticket and you aren't supposed to switch with each other. You've never been told no because that's not the Disney way. It doesn't make it right.

 

[soniam]

I'm happy with my one MB...pink...and looking forward to reserving my rides in advance. It sounds like the rides booked at the Kiosks are not prime times, from what folks above are saying. It will be interesting to watch people around the parks to see if they are swapping their wrist bands out for other wrist bands. It will be like a hidden Mickey game. THE LOOK AND SEE WHO SWAPS OUT BANDS GAME. Lol...people are crazy for fun! I'm sure Disney will find a fix at some point.

I wouldn't assume that everyone swapping out MB or wearing more than one is cheating. They might be wearing them like jewelry. They might have different things on different MB because of split stays, DVC, or AP. I have read many times in these boards about people having issues with MB, where one works with this and another works for that. Just saying.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Disney is well aware of this hole, and they know how to fix it because they fixed the same problem with FP-. The problem: the FP+ system is not linked, in any way, with the system that validates tickets at park entrances. When they are able to link these systems, this problem disappears. You will not be able to use a band that does not have a ticket used to enter that park to activate a FP+ in that park. When Disney does this, I will gladly stop using my wife's AP for additional FP+, just as I didn't use it to get additional FP-.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

"Passes must be used by the same person" and "passes are non-transferrable" means your ticket is your ticket and your wife's ticket is your wife's ticket and you aren't supposed to switch with each other. You've never been told no because that's not the Disney way. It doesn't make it right.

Disney makes their rules, not you. I have asked Disney. They disagree with you on this one.

 

[JimmyV]

It is the same as somebody going to a kiosk after they have used their three and booking another.

There will likely be a significant difference between booking at Rope Drop as opposed to whenever your first three are used up. What time is that typically, 2:00 p.m.; 3:00 p.m.?

Never underestimate the audacity of ethically dubious people with too much money.

$$$ has nothing to do with this. If the people doing this are cancelling reservation #1 in order to get the extra bands, then their total OOP is simply whatever their actual vacation was going to cost. The people staying at the cheapest room at the cheapest Resort can do this.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

They might have different things on different MB because of split stays, DVC, or AP.

In Disney's world, you have one MDX account and all of your bands are linked to that account. You do not have different stays and different tickets on different bands because nothing is stored on the bands; all the bands do is access back to your MDX account. Someone (or many someones) have figured out that a loophole may come into play when you have more than one MDX account. It's not having more than one band that gives you access to the loophole...it's having more than one account. Just because a guest has multiple bands does not mean they have multiple accounts.

I have seen persons on this board claiming to have two accounts, tickets linked to each account, and a throwaway room reservation on one account so they can book 2 sets of FPs at 60 days. Apparently you do not need to use a ticket on both accounts to enter the park before you redeem the fastpasses.

 

[tjmw2727]

I was going to post this as well, my dd and my niece carry at least 2 of their MB with them to switch colors - not something I would do but they think its fun. They are both their MB's linked to their ticket and no extra FP. I have also traded my MB with my dd or niece so they can ride a ride I don't enjoy, as far as I know there is no rule against this or against wearing more than one of your MB's a day.

So I hope we won't be so quick to judge!!

I wouldn't assume that everyone swapping out MB or wearing more than one is cheating. They might be wearing them like jewelry. They might have different things on different MB because of split stays, DVC, or AP. I have read many times in these boards about people having issues with MB, where one works with this and another works for that. Just saying.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I have done this on a few trips when I went by myself. My wife and I have APs. I use both to reserve and use FP+ when in the park by myself. I have even talked to a few different CMs about it when I had problems with a FP+. They pointed out that the AP was my wife's, not mine. I told them what I was doing and they were totally fine with it - said it was not uncommon - and this was about a year ago.

I paid for the APs. I am not scamming Disney in any way. Park entrance is not a requirement right now. I would be foolish not to do this.

Those booking a trip that they have no intention of taking and canceling without paying after leveraging the phantom tickets for FP+ are scamming the system. That is pretty easy for Disney to stop. All they have to do is make these trips non-refundable if the tickets are used in this fashion. It would be easy to monitor and prove.

I'm not saying that individuals who do this at this point in time are wrong. That's not my call to make.

All I'm saying is that I personally hope Disney puts a stop to all variations of this at some point.

 

[soniam]

In Disney's world, you have one MDX account and all of your bands are linked to that account. You do not have different stays and different tickets on different bands because nothing is stored on the bands; all the bands do is access back to your MDX account. Someone (or many someones) have figured out that a loophole may come into play when you have more than one MDX account. It's not having more than one band that gives you access to the loophole...it's having more than one account.

I have seen persons on this board claiming to have two accounts, tickets linked to each account, and a throwaway room reservation on one account so they can book 2 sets of FPs at 60 days. Apparently you do not need to use a ticket on both accounts to enter the park before you redeem the fastpasses.

People may have multiple MDX accounts for legitimate reasons; however, I am mainly referring to malfunctioning MB. I have read where some DVC people are having problems where one MB works at the property entrance and another works for park entrance. I understand how the bands and the IT behind them work; I am an electrical engineer. Despite how things should work, they don't always work that way.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I'm not saying that individuals who do this at this point in time are wrong. That's not my call to make.

All I'm saying is that I personally hope Disney puts a stop to all variations of this at some point.

I would not complain for my "loss". FWIW, I have probably picked up an additional 10-12 FP+ over all of my stays by doing this.

It was really handy when I popped in for 2 days during Spring Break last year while on a business trip. In fact, without the extra FP+ I would almost certainly have skipped those days as the parks were packed. Still, as a single traveler I had no problem landing good FP+ options on the days that I entered the parks, even with a "10" crowd park day.

 

[dfb]

I have two sets of magic bands. Used both on my first trip this year. Didn’t use the 2nd set at all on the second trip. It simply not worth it!
I did this mostly to see if I could! What I found out is that you use your time early morning to obtain the FPs. This time is better spent taking advantage of rope drop accessibility to rides. Mostly rides available for the 2nd set of FPs are rides that don’t need FP or some “used to be headliners” during Wishes or late in the day. ie At MK I could get BTM and space Mtn for late in the evening (actually during Wishes), Pooh late in the day, Dumbo in the afternoon, etc. Not even a Peter Pan. At HS maybe a Tower of Terror for late but no TSMM, RnR nothing not even late. At Epcot nothing much at all. No Soarin no test track. You could get spaceship earth, turtle talk, mission space was about the best and at not really good times either. Didn’t even try it at AK.
I’ve seen the post about the second set of MBs and think some people try it but I don’t think a lot of people keep trying it. It’s too much a pain and with little benefit. I don’t see it as having as much of an impact on other guest as you think. It should be an easy fix for Disney to remedy and I’m not sure why they have not. Probably because it’s not that big a priority!
I think the new FP+ system itself has more of an impact on wasted FPs than anything. I have numerous friends who got tired of trying to chase their 60 day old FP plans because their plans changed. So FPs were wasted. I had a late night (legitimately obtained) FP for spaceship earth. Plans changed, we wanted to take a boat to HS to pick up a 4th FP and get dinner. Found out I could not cancel my SE FP from my phone. Went to the kiosk only to find out I couldn’t cancel it there either. The systems been “a little glitchy” as the cm told me ( a common theme). Went to guest relations just to see what it would take to actually get it cancelled and they did cancel it. To do this took so much time we could not make dinner or additional FPs at HS. Went to the room and ate a sandwich. I would like to be courteous to other guest and cancel any FPs not to be used but I doubt I’ll go thru that much trouble again. And I bet I’m not the only one!
I would dare say more FPs are wasted by the “ethical” people than are obtained by us D-bags with a second set of MBs.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I would not complain for my "loss". FWIW, I have probably picked up an additional 10-12 FP+ over all of my stays by doing this.

It was really handy when I popped in for 2 days during Spring Break last year while on a business trip. In fact, without the extra FP+ I would almost certainly have skipped those days as the parks were packed. Still, as a single traveler I had no problem landing good FP+ options on the days that I entered the parks, even with a "10" crowd park day.

I'm sure it did come in handy! I think we probably all agree that 3 extra FPs a day can make a difference. Heck I'd argue even one or two makes a significant difference.