Dixie Chick's Natalie again....

[richiebaseball]

What do you call this?

He's only responding in kind. That's not being hypocritical. That's a loophole.

 

[wvrevy]

Well, since these cds were already purchased, how was the average fan going to then show their displeasure with her comments? She has the ability to stand in front of thousands and speak her mind that will then be heard by millions. Don't her fans have the same right? By gathering together and destroying their own property, they could become one strong voice and get their own opinion across. The gestapo destroyed libraries of books trying to keep the public at large from reading the message of others. The people who destroyed their own Dixie Chicks cds were only destroying their own property and not keeping others from listening to the music. There is a big difference there and I'm so sorry that your own politics has blinded your to the obvious difference.

I didn't say "gestapo", I said "gestapo tactics". I imagine that the majority of book burnings that have taken place have been with property that was owned by the people destroying it. I'm sorry that they are famous - and thus, have a huge audience to speak to - and you aren't. But you dont have a right to an audience (despite the thinking of this reality-tv infested time ). So yes...organizing a stunt to show your displeasure by steamrolling or burning someone else's work is nothing more than an intimidation tactic...therefore, gestapo-like.

And how did Toby Keith go to more extremes than the Dixie Chicks Once again, it is ok for Natalie but not for Toby

Actually...you're probably right, he probably didn't. I'm just not a big fan of the way he has gone out of his way to make millions by taking advantage of the armed services and the fervor with which we support them. But when it comes down to it, you're right...he hasn't done anything more than they did in response.

 

[HayGan]

For the record, Haygan and I are not one in the same.

Very well put Haygan.

Why thank you!

BTW, everybody around here knows I have no problem in voicing my opinions under my own screen name

 

[wvrevy]

What do you call this?

Actually, Richie was wrong about that. I wasn't "responding in kind" - well, I was, but that's not why it doesn't meet my question. I asked for someone to point out where I had called everyone anything at all - since that is what I was accused of - not just one person with a penchant for insulting me at every opportunity.


and TO PLUTO - Just about every one of your posts to this thread have included some little snide comment towards me, so please don't try to play the innocent. As for your quote...sorry, but the people that went to extremes are rednecks, in my opinion. But not everyone that disagreed with what she said - or the manner in which she said it - went to such extremes. The only people I've made any disparaging comments about were the people that took things well beyond a simple statement that they didn't agree with her comments.

 

[TCPluto]

But you dont have a right to an audience (despite the thinking of this reality-tv infested time ). So yes...organizing a stunt to show your displeasure by steamrolling or burning someone else's work is nothing more than an intimidation tactic...

You are way off on this one Rev. He/she/they can do whatever they want, as long as it's legal (and this is).

If no media covers it, they simply have the audience of those that happen to walk past the event, whatever it may be.

If a news media decides to cover it, so be it. He/she/they have no say in that.

Apparently, whatever bulldozing you speak of was covered by some form of media, that is unless you walked past the event. You don't get to decide what is covered by the media in this context, but neither does the organizer of the event.

 

[TCPluto]

The only people I've made any disparaging comments about were the people that took things well beyond a simple statement that they didn't agree with her comments.

So, by your own definition, you're a Redneck for responding so harshly to those that don't agree with your position?

 

[wvrevy]

So, by your own definition, you're a Redneck for responding so harshly to those that don't agree with your position?

Does it make someone a redneck to vehemently defend their position? No, I don't think so. i'm not tracing IP's and trying to get people fired for posting their opinions from work (when they are, I mean). THAT wouldn't make me a redneck either...just a jerk.

As to your previous post, you're misinterpreting what I said. I was told that the "bulldozing" was the listener's way to gain an audience, just as the Dixie Chicks have theirs. My comment was simply that not everybody gets an audience. That's just life. Besides, what does someone need with a huge audience, if they are just trying to express their opinion? My contention is that "stunts" like the bulldozing thing (and yeah, it was publicized) are more geared to intimidation against anyone that speaks out against this administration. If it was "just" an expression of opinion, there would be no need for heavy machinery.

 

[va32h]

And how did Toby Keith go to more extremes than the Dixie Chicks Once again, it is ok for Natalie but not for Toby

Yes, he did. At his concerts he would refer to Natalie Maines as "Saddam's Girlfriend" and flash Photo-shopped images of the two of them posed as a couple.

And of course the crowd would cheer and Keith would egg them on.

It certainly gave an endorsement to the anti-Dixie Chicks group, and more than a little implied that criticizing the President was tantamount to treason. As if not liking Bush = loving Saddam.

I really like Toby Keith's music, before the jingoistic, MOR crap he started turning out after "Courtesy of the Red White and Blue". He still has a lot of talent as a singer and a songwriter and it's a shame to see him waste it on this stuff.

 

[Papa Deuce]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. After all, they were proven completely right the last time they said something perceived as controversial.

So says you......

 

[wvrevy]

So says you......

And roughly 70% of the American public

Seriously, though...all they said was that they were ashamed that the president was from the same state as them. Unless anyone has some way of proving that they were not actually ashamed, I think it's probably safe to assume that they can tell for themselves.

 

[HOGFAN]

well, the DCs dont have to worry about THIS right wing redneck buying their cds.

 

[TCPluto]

Does it make someone a redneck to vehemently defend their position? No, I don't think so.

As to your previous post, you're misinterpreting what I said. I was told that the "bulldozing" was the listener's way to gain an audience, just as the Dixie Chicks have theirs. My comment was simply that not everybody gets an audience. That's just life. Besides, what does someone need with a huge audience, if they are just trying to express their opinion? My contention is that "stunts" like the bulldozing thing (and yeah, it was publicized) are more geared to intimidation against anyone that speaks out against this administration. If it was "just" an expression of opinion, there would be no need for heavy machinery.

Calling people fools, gestapo, denying them the right to assemble and protest? That would fit your definiton of what a Redneck is (not sure that I agree, but it's your definition).

Anyone can have an audience; and audience of 1 or 1 million. You, nor anyone else, can, nor should, be able to dictate the audience.

Protests are designed to influence, no question about that. Remember when Cindy Sheehan protested in Texas? Seems the media chose to cover that, didn't they? Why is she entitled to an audience, and not the CD destructors??

Each has a right to be heard, you do not get to decide that.

And to reiterate for the record, I've not called you a fool, Gestapo tactics encourager, nor a Redneck. Can you say the same?

 

[richiebaseball]

Actually, Richie was wrong about that. I wasn't "responding in kind" - well, I was, but that's not why it doesn't meet my question. I asked for someone to point out where I had called everyone anything at all - since that is what I was accused of - not just one person with a penchant for insulting me at every opportunity.

What's "sad" and "stupid" to me is the way the right wingers in this country have completely misinterpreted the 1st amendment. They think that intimidation and slander is just fine, since it's not the government actually doing it (this, despite the fact that they're intimidating people for daring to criticize the government

Not everyone, only those you don't agree with, the ones on the right. You remember them, the Repugs. They're the only ones that are "stupid" and "sad". It doesn't take a genius to read between your lines.

 

[wvrevy]

Let's try this one more time, since you seem to be having trouble understanding:

I didn't call anyone "gestapo", and the only people I called fools were...well...you. I'm sorry, but yes, I see rounding up and destroying CD's (or books) as a "gestapo tactic." I specifically said that they had every right to do what they did, but that I thought it reflected poorly on them. Yes, I called them "rednecks" for the way they behaved. I did not call everyone that disagreed with my opinion anything at all.

No, you haven't called anyone any names (well, other than the oh-so-inventive "Dixie Chunks" ). But you have been hostile and insulting towards me in every one of your posts to this point. My mistake was in responding in kind.

 

[wvrevy]

Not everyone, only those you don't agree with, the ones on the right. You remember them, the Repugs. They're the only ones that are "stupid" and "sad". It doesn't take a genius to read between your lines.

So, in other words, the only insult you found was in your imagination ( "between the lines" )?

Perhaps I should have said "some" right wingers....other than that, I'm afraid you're reaching, Richie.

 

[richiebaseball]

So, in other words, the only insult you found was in your imagination ( "between the lines" )?

Perhaps I should have said "some" right wingers....other than that, I'm afraid you're reaching, Richie.

wvrevy, you are one of, no scratch that, you are the biggest hypocrite on this board. Bar none.

 

[wvrevy]

Guys, this is really stupid. We're arguing over who insulted who first like a bunch of third graders. Not only are there bigger issues to debate, I just read the thread about the fellow Dis'er who lost a child, and, as a doting dad, I have to admit it got to me.

I want to apologize to anyone I may have offended on this thread. (Yeah, Pluto, that even includes you ) If you guys want to debate something substantial, I'm all for it (DW is watching Desperate Housewives at the moment, so I've got some free time ). But I think this will probably be my last post on this thread, with additional apologies for helping to take it down a rather ugly road.

Take it easy, folks.

 

[TCPluto]

So, in other words, the only insult you found was in your imagination ( "between the lines" )?

Same for you Rev. For you to read hostility and insults in what I posted, you have to make an assumption.

You on the other hand, directly attack. Isn't that against board policy??

 

[amybippy]

This relative newbie just wants to jump in here and make a few points.

First of all, I hated what Natalie Maines said. I thought it was self-serving, and I thought it was totally designed to create as much publicity for the group as possible. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't particularly like the fact that she assumed that she was speaking for anyone other than herself, and I really don't appreciate the fact that I am now labelled a "redneck" because I like certain artists, and I happen to disagree with her. Whatever. I won't be listening to her anymore. However, I believe that she has the right to say whatever she feels, because this is America, and our military has fought and died to ensure those very rights.

Which brings me to my second point, which is that I have those same rights that Miss Maines has. I can say that I think she is an arrogant twit, because I have the same right to free speech that she has. She doesn't have more rights because she is an artist. And she doesn't have more right because her stand is perceived as being more "correct". I am not a bigot, a warmonger, an idiot, a redneck, a hatemonger, a sheep, a racist, or a right-wing whacko. I am simply a person who has an opinion, and a right to express that opinion. I wish no ill towards the Dixie Chicks, and I am appalled by anyone who takes their opinions to the point of threatening violence. Not all conservatives are like that. Some of us actually read newspapers, and watch news programs, and are capable of making decisions based on something other than what Toby Keith told us to think.

Just my 2 cents...

Amy

 

[rparmfamily]

I love the Dixie Chicks and while I may or may not agree with whatever Nathalie Maines is saying, I still love their music and have every intention of buying their album. I also love Toby Keith too!