Dixie Chick's Natalie again....

[wvrevy]

Just for the record wvrevy, I don't think anyone here will condone the death threats they've had to deal with. As for bulldozing their cds, well, people have the right to bulldoze a cd that they paid for if they wish. That's the way it works. If you can't see that, maybe it's you who doesn't understand the concept of freedoms in this country.

We all face consequences for our actions. If you lie to your friends, or cheat on your spouse, or fill in the blank _______, you too will probably have to pay for those actions/words. It's simply the way the world revolves and the Dixie Chicks are certainly no exception to that. PO your base, deal with it.

So, you're all for groups organizing book burning parties then, right? It is the EXACT same thing. Again, just because you have a right to do it, doesn't make you patriotic.

 

[TCPluto]

What's "sad" and "stupid" to me is the way the right wingers in this country have completely misinterpreted the 1st amendment. They think that intimidation and slander is just fine, since it's not the government actually doing it (this, despite the fact that they're intimidating people for daring to criticize the government ).

Their gestapo tactics (death threats and, yes, those "bulldozers" or "steamrollers" mentioned earlier) discourage anyone from exercising their free speech. But boy aren't they quick to hide behind it if you question them on it.

One of many reasons why Miss Maines is 100% correct.

This post is absurd.

These threats were made by kooks, not the voice of the right or left. No one in their right (as in correct) mind would support any physical harm for their political position and caustic opinion.

They have paid dearly for their mouths, as it should be. Part of our right to not support them by buying their records right Rev?

To say that the republicans supports this is over the top ridiculous.

But I wouldn't expect anytheing less from you Rev.

 

[N.Bailey]

Saying you don't agree with them is your right to free speech. Swearing you will never listen to their music again is your right to free speech.

Organizing boycotts and pulling stupid stunts where you burn their book (er...excuse me...wrong gestapo stunt...I mean "steamroll their CD" ) is nothing more than intimidation tactics designed to stop people from speaking out. I couldn't care less if you never buy another album of theirs. If that hurts their album sales....well, that happens sometimes when people speak their minds. But going to the extremes that rednecks (read: Toby Keith, for one) went to with the Chicks is sickening, and I'm sorry, you may have a "right" to do it, but you certainly have no right to wrap yourself in the flag while doing so.

Okay, I see where you were coming from with that comment. I'd just add however that it's not illegal activity and many things would fall under that same category. Bible burning events, flag burning events, attending soldier's funerals to protest gays or the war, etc...etc..

Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should. I can agree with that. As long as you stay consistent in your beliefs, I agree with you. If you're only supporting your own agenda however, then, you turn into a hypocrit. (that's a generic sense of the word you there)

 

[Planogirl]

Didn't Toby Keith badmouth them quite severely? I'm wondering if those who like Toby Keith might not be forgetting his part in this.

Anyway, the battle between Toby Keith and the Dixie Chicks aside, I agree that they are basically saying that if their political viewpoints bother you so much just don't be fans and let it go. I LOVE country music but have never been particularly big fans of theirs whatever they might say. I will never ever quit enjoying someone's music just because their viewpoints are different. To me it's irrelevant.

But then I don't care where they're from, where they say something, how they carry their babies, whether they jump on couches (just not mine ) and so on and so on. If they perform well, I'm buying. JMHO.

 

[wvrevy]

This post is absurd.

These threats were made by kooks, not the voice of the right or left. No one in their right (as in correct) mind would support any physical harm for their political position and caustic opinion.

They have paid dearly for their mouths, as it should be. Part of our right to not support them by buying their records right Rev?

To say that the republicans supports this is over the top ridiculous.

But I wouldn't expect anytheing less from you Rev.

Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit 'A' as to why this administration doesn't have to dirty it's hands with intimidation tactics of their own. They have plenty of fools willing to do it for them.

 

[TCPluto]

I support the Dixie Chicks' right to say whatever they wish WITHOUT death threats. The last time I checked those were illegal.

Someone commented earlier about Bush being from Texas. Natalie is too and so am I and I don't see that as particularly relevant.

You're absolutely right. The only harm that should come to them should be through decreased record sales, should anyone decide they are disgusted with their political opinions.

Natalie made the Texas comment relevant when she said she was from Texas and she was embarrassed that the president was also.

 

[ktulu]

I think John Reuben said it best in the song "Follow Your Leader":

Defend what you want whether it’s right or wrong
And this applies to both sides of the equation
Arrogant men in power sure are frustrating
On a pedestal you hear them reigning and reigning
Proudly proclaiming what they know nothing about
I hear you talking loud but I will not allow
Tinsel town to show me how to run my life
Sure you can sing and dance
But that don’t mean you’re qualified to give America advice

darren

 

[TCPluto]

So it is OK for Natalie Maines to exercise her free speech but it is not right for her fans to do the same

Am I the only one who sees the hypocracy here

If they don't want their politics to have an effect on their pocket book then they should keep their politics to themselves. Their fans are the ones who make or break their careers.

HayGan, you're all over it. Funny, huh? Dixie Chunks can say what they want and the left is all for it, but if someone cirticizes them, the left piles on... Interesting.

 

[wvrevy]

Okay, I see where you were coming from with that comment. I'd just add however that it's not illegal activity and many things would fall under that same category. Bible burning events, flag burning events, attending soldier's funerals to protest gays or the war, etc...etc..

Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should. I can agree with that. As long as you stay consistent in your beliefs, I agree with you. If you're only supporting your own agenda however, then, you turn into a hypocrit. (that's a generic sense of the word you there)

I couldn't agree more. And just so you know that I am being consistant:

Bible burning: Idiots. Yes, I have problems with religion as it's currently practised, but anybody that would burn a bible - even just in protest - is a fool going for publicity, not someone whose message is worthy of attention.

Flag burning: See above. There are better ways than this to get your message across. I don't love everything our country does - I'm not ignorant enough to believe we are always the good guys in every situation - but burning a flag just shows that you aren't articulate enough to get your message across any other way.

Protesting at funerals: Ditto. Those people make me feel violent, and that's not something I'm terribly comfortable with. Nothing could be more inappropriate.

So I agree with you...it is hypocritical to pick and choose. That's why I try to avoid doing so.

 

[TCPluto]

Just for the record wvrevy, I don't think anyone here will condone the death threats they've had to deal with. As for bulldozing their cds, well, people have the right to bulldoze a cd that they paid for if they wish. That's the way it works. If you can't see that, maybe it's you who doesn't understand the concept of freedoms in this country.

I think you've hit on something...

 

[TCPluto]

Organizing boycotts and pulling stupid stunts where you burn their book (er...excuse me...wrong gestapo stunt...I mean "steamroll their CD" ) is nothing more than intimidation tactics designed to stop people from speaking out.

But going to the extremes that rednecks (read: Toby Keith, for one) went to with the Chicks is sickening, and I'm sorry, you may have a "right" to do it, but you certainly have no right to wrap yourself in the flag while doing so.

I guess you're not much for any political protests, huh Rev? You pick the subject matter, they're all trying to influence someone about something. I'm surprised you would'nt see this (well, not really).

So we resort to calling anyone who disagrees with the Dixie Chunks Rednecks?? Wow, that's extreme... Again, not surprising though.

 

[richiebaseball]

Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit 'A' as to why this administration doesn't have to dirty it's hands with intimidation tactics of their own. They have plenty of fools willing to do it for them.

Wow. Complaints about slander coming from you, a generic hypocrite.

 

[TCPluto]

Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit 'A' as to why this administration doesn't have to dirty it's hands with intimidation tactics of their own. They have plenty of fools willing to do it for them.

Come on now Rev, why you gotta be like that???

 

[wvrevy]

I guess you're not much for any political protests, huh Rev? You pick the subject matter, they're all trying to influence someone about something. I'm surprised you would'nt see this (well, not really).

So we resort to calling anyone who disaggees with the Dixie Chunks Rednecks?? Wow, that's extreme... Again, not surprising though.

1 - You're really one to whine about namecalling, since just about every one of your posts to this thread has been a personal insult towards me. 'Course, that's just par for the course for you, isn't it?

2 - PLEASE point out where I called everyone that disagreed with Natalie's comment anything at all. Put up or shut up. I said - clearly enough that even you should have got it - that having that opinion or stating that opinion is perfectly fine. EVERYONE has a right to their opinion. The "rednecks" I spoke of were the Toby Keith types that went out of their way to cause trouble for someone with whom they disagreed.

 

[wvrevy]

Wow. Complaints about slander coming from you, a generic hypocrite.

By all means, please back up your insults by showing where I've been hypocritical. After all, we wouldn't want anyone to think you were just throwing personal insults around for no reason, now, would we?

 

[wvrevy]

Come on now Rev, why you gotta be like that???

Just keeping the rhetoric at the level you set, Pluto. I'll be glad to apologize for calling you a fool...as soon as you do likewise for the continuous insults you've thrown towards me on this thread.

 

[HayGan]

Saying you don't agree with them is your right to free speech. Swearing you will never listen to their music again is your right to free speech.

Organizing boycotts and pulling stupid stunts where you burn their book (er...excuse me...wrong gestapo stunt...I mean "steamroll their CD" ) is nothing more than intimidation tactics designed to stop people from speaking out. I couldn't care less if you never buy another album of theirs. If that hurts their album sales....well, that happens sometimes when people speak their minds. But going to the extremes that rednecks (read: Toby Keith, for one) went to with the Chicks is sickening, and I'm sorry, you may have a "right" to do it, but you certainly have no right to wrap yourself in the flag while doing so.

Well, since these cds were already purchased, how was the average fan going to then show their displeasure with her comments? She has the ability to stand in front of thousands and speak her mind that will then be heard by millions. Don't her fans have the same right? By gathering together and destroying their own property, they could become one strong voice and get their own opinion across. The gestapo destroyed libraries of books trying to keep the public at large from reading the message of others. The people who destroyed their own Dixie Chicks cds were only destroying their own property and not keeping others from listening to the music. There is a big difference there and I'm so sorry that your own politics has blinded your to the obvious difference.

And how did Toby Keith go to more extremes than the Dixie Chicks Once again, it is ok for Natalie but not for Toby

 

[jimmiej]

PLEASE point out where I called everyone that disagreed with Natalie's comment anything at all.

What do you call this?

Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit 'A' as to why this administration doesn't have to dirty it's hands with intimidation tactics of their own. They have plenty of fools willing to do it for them.

 

[TCPluto]

1 - You're really one to whine about namecalling, since just about every one of your posts to this thread has been a personal insult towards me. 'Course, that's just par for the course for you, isn't it?

2 - PLEASE point out where I called everyone that disagreed with Natalie's comment anything at all. Put up or shut up. I said - clearly enough that even you should have got it - that having that opinion or stating that opinion is perfectly fine. EVERYONE has a right to their opinion. The "rednecks" I spoke of were the Toby Keith types that went out of their way to cause trouble for someone with whom they disagreed.

No whining here Rev.

And,I've not called you a fool or Redneck, or anything else for that matter. You basically call everyone who disagrees with you an idiot.

I think that those that disagree with me as just someone with an opposing opinion.

I may have inferred that you might be a little short sighted and closed minded....


Your comment in post #39:

"But going to the extremes that rednecks (read: Toby Keith, for one)" .

Does this work for you?

 

[TCPluto]

Well, since these cds were already purchased, how was the average fan going to then show their displeasure with her comments? She has the ability to stand in front of thousands and speak her mind that will then be heard by millions. Don't her fans have the same right? By gathering together and destroying their own property, they could become one strong voice and get their own opinion across. The gestapo destroyed libraries of books trying to keep the public at large from reading the message of others. The people who destroyed their own Dixie Chicks cds were only destroying their own property and not keeping others from listening to the music. There is a big difference there and I'm so sorry that your own politics has blinded your to the obvious difference.

And how did Toby Keith go to more extremes than the Dixie Chicks Once again, it is ok for Natalie but not for Toby

For the record, Haygan and I are not one in the same.

Very well put Haygan.