Disney's Legacy FastPass Failure

[TooExcitedCantSleep]

Here is the Legacy FastPass distribution line on one of the slowest days of the year. You have to stand in a long line to get the FastPass and then return later to wait in line again. What is so special about this????? Do folks really want to go back to this????? I, for one.....do not. This happened to me at other rides too and I don't miss it!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqNZcBgWSxs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs_l2-Vqo0M

 

[Disneyhabs]

You can't post that stuff it goes against everything that the FP legacy lovers claim lol.

 

[juliebug1997]

The only thing I miss about the old one is I could get multiple ones for that ride if I was very industrious. We don't ride ToT or RnRC, so why can't I have more for TSM? The only other ride that it could possibly warrant us getting a FP would be Star Tours, but even then it's not so bad. I just would rather ride TSMM three times.

 

[CAHarwell]

That is so funny! Not funny "haha", but funny "hmmm". OK maybe it is funny "haha" considering all the "FP+ is so unfair" threads. When I told DH about the new system when I started planning our return to WDW this coming October, he smiled and said "Honey, don't you remember the horrible lines for just getting FP, not to mention the so-called speedy FP return lines when we were there last time", which was in October 2009. Like childbirth, I had forgotten the pain, but he had not. So glad you were there to remind us!

 

[MrInfinity]

That's awesome. I waited in that line on both of my past trips. And that's for a noon return time.

Love the girl asking "Is this the fast pass line?" "Yeah this is the line to get fast passes."

 

[Jennasis]

Aren't there long lines for the FP+ kiosks now? Only now you have the added bonus of waiting all that time to find out FP for what you want are gone, or wait while glitches get worked out, or for a clueless family to figure out how to do it or what they want.

 

[siskaren]

Those are both for TSMM, which was notorious for having long lines for the FP tickets as well as the ride itself, plus the second one is dated June 10, which is not a slow time of year, so I really don't think those videos are representative of the legacy FP experience. I haven't been able to go since TSMM opened, but I never experienced a long line just to get a FP, although I will agree that FP+ does sound like it works better for getting on TSMM than legacy FP did.

 

[surferdave]

I knew without looking the example was going to be Toy Story Midway Mania, which has a singular problem no distribution system is going to be able to fix but has somehow become the poster child for NextGen. It will only be addressed when new major attractions are introduced to Hollywood Studios. The same attraction doesn't have this problem in California where it's not in a park starving for family attractions.

 

[Kristina4109]

June 10th is not a slow time of the year, but neither is it July 4th or Christmas Day.

 

[MrInfinity]

That is so funny! Not funny "haha", but funny "hmmm". OK maybe it is funny "haha" considering all the "FP+ is so unfair" threads. When I told DH about the new system when I started planning our return to WDW this coming October, he smiled and said "Honey, don't you remember the horrible lines for just getting FP, not to mention the so-called speedy FP return lines when we were there last time", which was in October 2009. Like childbirth, I had forgotten the pain, but he had not. So glad you were there to remind us!

Don't you get about the same?

To do it before, you had to spend 1/2 hour in this line to get a FP, to wait 20 min in line, then hope they're not gone and you can maybe get another FP for later that night. Total, 2 ridings, utilizing rope drop to squeak them in.

Now, you schedule a FP for one any time you want, and you rope drop TSMM right off. You still ride twice. Only your first ride is complete sooner and your second ride is whenever you want it.

This is such a great reminder of just how awful FP- was for TSMM.

 

[*disgal*]

Wow. One whole ride. And the last time Oct was a slow time of year was prob when we went in 1996. Obviously everyone else had figured out it was a great time to go so after our trip in 2001 we decided to go another time of year because the of the crowds. We homeschooled back then so we could pick our time to go.

But my DH will not miss having to go all over a park to get a FP now so that is def an improvement.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Now just imagine all those people in that line sitting on their couch and hitting a button on their computer to reserve it for October 24, 2014! The return time is already out to "noon". If that many people can do it from their couch while slurpping down a bowl of ice cream then what do u think your return time will be?

 

[minniemous]

The only thing I miss about the old one is I could get multiple ones for that ride if I was very industrious.

I mean no offense really. But this is what I have been saying was part of the problem with the old system and that there was many people who had there ways of getting more that the intended number of fast passes.

I received responses from people who are against the new fast pass system saying that this is not the case and there was no abuse of the old system. But then I see people making comments like this one.

I rarely used fast passes in the past. But when I would go on Toy story Midway Mania and I would over hear multiple people taking about how many times they had been on the ride that day and their scores I knew they were getting more fast passes then was intended. I saw people turn right around after exiting the door and going back in. I did not understand it.

It all really confuses me because I did not know all the ins and outs of the old system. I do really like the fact that the new system has more of an equality to it built in.

I really liked my experience with the new fast pass and it made our stay much more enjoyable.

 

[JDUCKY]

Those are both for TSMM, which was notorious for having long lines for the FP tickets as well as the ride itself, plus the second one is dated June 10, which is not a slow time of year, so I really don't think those videos are representative of the legacy FP experience. I haven't been able to go since TSMM opened, but I never experienced a long line just to get a FP, although I will agree that FP+ does sound like it works better for getting on TSMM than legacy FP did.

Exactly.

TSMM after 30-45 min after opening has settled down. The initial rush of people have their FPs and it's nothing like the rest of the day.

Compare that to the video of the line to get on the actual EE ride with the new FP- system in that other thread up here.

 

[Caboosey]

This example is one ride in one park. I didn't see issues like this at any other rides. So FP+ may have made Midway Mania more manageable, but it prevents me from also pulling a Rock 'N Roller Coaster FP or Fast Passes at any other park that day.

 

[KYDisneyDad]

I mean no offense really. But this is what I have been saying was part of the problem with the old system and that there was many people who had there ways of getting more that the intended number of fast passes. I received responses from people who are against the new fast pass system saying that this is not the case and there was no abuse of the old system. But then I see people making comments like this one. I rarely used fast passes in the past. But when I would go on Toy story Midway Mania and I would over hear multiple people taking about how many times they had been on the ride that day and their scores I knew they were getting more fast passes then was intended. I saw people turn right around after exiting the door and going back in. I did not understand it. It all really confuses me because I did not know all the ins and outs of the old system. I do really like the fact that the new system has more of an equality to it built in. I really liked my experience with the new fast pass and it made our stay much more enjoyable.

Here we go again..... I'm still wondering how if someone uses any system exactly how it is designed, that they can be claimed to be abusing it, but oh we'll....

The problem with TSMM is simply that it is an incredibly popular ride made more so by the fact that it is a family friendly ride in a park the has very few of those, and it is a VERY slow loading ride system. If it was an omnimover rider throughput would increase. And guess what? Those masses of people are still running there at rope drop to get on a ride with heavy weight times to be able to ride it more than the one time FP+ allows.

The fact that TSMM, Soarin, and Space Mountain are mobbed by guests at rope drop demonstrates that rides are the most important thing to most park visitors and is why most of us feel we are getting less value out of WDW with FP+ ride restrictions.

 

[siskaren]

I received responses from people who are against the new fast pass system saying that this is not the case and there was no abuse of the old system. But then I see people making comments like this one.

Why do you feel that getting more than one FP for the same ride was abusing the old system? Once someone pulled a FP, they would have to wait until the return window opened or 2 hours had passed (whichever came first) before they could get another one, whether it was for an attraction they had already gotten one or for a new one. It's not like they could go to the FP kiosk and pull multiple FPs for that ride at one time (unless of course they inserted multiple tickets.) And considering that TSMM was literally the hot ticket at DHS, I'd be kind of surprised if anyone was able to get more than 2 in a day.

 

[minniemous]

Why do you feel that getting more than one FP for the same ride was abusing the old system? Once someone pulled a FP, they would have to wait until the return window opened or 2 hours had passed (whichever came first) before they could get another one, whether it was for an attraction they had already gotten one or for a new one. It's not like they could go to the FP kiosk and pull multiple FPs for that ride at one time (unless of course they inserted multiple tickets.) And considering that TSMM was literally the hot ticket at DHS, I'd be kind of surprised if anyone was able to get more than 2 in a day.

This is my confusion. You say you could not get more fast passes unless you inserted multiple tickets. Do you mean current plastic tickets purchased for that day? or just tickets (old plastic park tickets)?

I have no problem with people riding a popular ride 2 times if they had to wait the allotted time to get the new fast pass. I am just confused as to whether people were able to get really crafty under the old system and ride many times and go back to back?

I know people were able to do it when they were introducing the new system in November and people were pulling crazy number sod tickets. Really just trying to understand. I quoted a person who said if they were industrious they could get more than one ticket from the fast pass, I thought they meant in waiting in that one line? Am I misunderstanding?

 

[wdwfanatic80]

I mean no offense really. But this is what I have been saying was part of the problem with the old system and that there was many people who had there ways of getting more that the intended number of fast passes.

I received responses from people who are against the new fast pass system saying that this is not the case and there was no abuse of the old system. But then I see people making comments like this one.

I rarely used fast passes in the past. But when I would go on Toy story Midway Mania and I would over hear multiple people taking about how many times they had been on the ride that day and their scores I knew they were getting more fast passes then was intended. I saw people turn right around after exiting the door and going back in. I did not understand it.

It all really confuses me because I did not know all the ins and outs of the old system. I do really like the fact that the new system has more of an equality to it built in.

I really liked my experience with the new fast pass and it made our stay much more enjoyable.

So let me get this straight.....because you didn't know the ins and outs of the old system then it was unfair, but because I researched it and knew how to get around and get multiple fastpasses a day within the rules set BY Disney I was misusing it? Am I understanding you correctly?

I will not miss running from ride to ride to get fastpasses, but I do not like the limitations or the tiered system that is in place. I hate only getting 3 per day and I hate that it is available for rides that do not need it therefore causing new lines to form there that weren't there before to let fastpass people in. I agree with only being allowed to prebook 3 if any at all, because honestly that should be done a day in advance for onsite guests and day of for off site (yes I am in the camp that onsite deserves a bit of a perk, oh well). Then I think after the prebooked number when you are in the park you should be able to do like the old system and go to a ride not a dumb kiosk and scan your band and get a time to come back.

Knowing how to tour the parks and utilize your time wisely was not a misuse of the old system. It was research and time and a well planned day/trip. This new system hurts my head. We are going in May and the fact that I have to decide now where I want to be and what time drives me insane!! The planning out where to be and what time is why we stopped doing the plus dining and switched to quick service dining, because I hate ADRs. Even now I have two for my upcoming trip for the Star Wars Character meals and ugh....knowing I have to be in HS at this time on this date and I can't change my mind is frustrating. As is my prebooked FP for Anna and Elsa.

Sorry, not trying to attack, but it bugs me when people say the things you said....

 

[*disgal*]

I mean no offense really. But this is what I have been saying was part of the problem with the old system and that there was many people who had there ways of getting more that the intended number of fast passes.

I received responses from people who are against the new fast pass system saying that this is not the case and there was no abuse of the old system. But then I see people making comments like this one.

I rarely used fast passes in the past. But when I would go on Toy story Midway Mania and I would over hear multiple people taking about how many times they had been on the ride that day and their scores I knew they were getting more fast passes then was intended. I saw people turn right around after exiting the door and going back in. I did not understand it.

It all really confuses me because I did not know all the ins and outs of the old system. I do really like the fact that the new system has more of an equality to it built in.

I really liked my experience with the new fast pass and it made our stay much more enjoyable.

I say this all the time but I will say it again. Yes, it's true that some of us got more than 3 Fps in a day at a park. Usually, because we were there at RD. But ANYONE was able to do that if they wanted to. Of course, most don't want to get up at the butt crack of dawn for a Space FP. Fine. It is not MY fault that they won't get there when I do. Why should my family feel badly or be accused of abusing a system because we got there to start getting FPs? When it tells me right on the FP when I can get the next one. That makes absolutely NO sense to me. Believe me, no machine ever gave us a FP that we weren't ENTITLED TO.

I understand if they create a system to spread the love a little better. Fine. My family will deal. But don't make it seem like I am taking food from a child's mouth just because I was able to maximize a situation. I put that smilie there so everyone will know I'm not mad, it just bugs me when people try to make that point.

Why do you feel that getting more than one FP for the same ride was abusing the old system? Once someone pulled a FP, they would have to wait until the return window opened or 2 hours had passed (whichever came first) before they could get another one, whether it was for an attraction they had already gotten one or for a new one. It's not like they could go to the FP kiosk and pull multiple FPs for that ride at one time (unless of course they inserted multiple tickets.) And considering that TSMM was literally the hot ticket at DHS, I'd be kind of surprised if anyone was able to get more than 2 in a day.

I'm not saying it was impossible because maybe someone on here was able to get more than 2 at a slow time of year, but we were never even able to get 2. We would ride it stand by at RD right after we got FPs for it. Never could do more than that but it's not our fav ride so maybe we didn't try hard enough. Who knows. But I agree with you.