Disney Wonder Hawaii Sept. 2015

[DahliaRW]

Do it Do it!!!
Before Sept. 2015 please

I can't even imagine how awful the liscencing and red tape would be!

 

[LeslieG]

If these dates are right, that would put the Panama Canal probably into the first of October? Because if they return to Vancouver at the end of September, they would probably do a repo from there to San Diego before the PC cruise?

 

[jdb in AZ]

If these dates are right, that would put the Panama Canal probably into the first of October? Because if they return to Vancouver at the end of September, they would probably do a repo from there to San Diego before the PC cruise?

Unless the second Hawaiian cruise ends at Ensenada.

 

[CruznLexi]

I have never seen any Hawaii cruise on any line go back to Vancouver in Sept. Ensenada yes. You will then be bussed to SD. RCI used to do this some years ago but has since abandoned the idea. Due to numerous complaints.

 

[luv2sleep]

I have never seen any Hawaii cruise on any line go back to Vancouver in Sept. Ensenada yes. You will then be bussed to SD. RCI used to do this some years ago but has since abandoned the idea. Due to numerous complaints.

I'd never do it.

 

[jdb in AZ]

I'd never do it.

I wouldn't either. I'm guessing the Vancouver to Hawaii cruise will be a lot more popular than Hawaii to Ensenada. Assuming that's what DCL is planning.

On the other hand, passengers from the U.S. complain about the price of flights into Vancouver.

 

[luv2sleep]

I wouldn't either. I'm guessing the Vancouver to Hawaii cruise will be a lot more popular than Hawaii to Ensenada. Assuming that's what DCL is planning. On the other hand, passengers from the U.S. complain about the price of flights into Vancouver.

I'd rather just fly home from Ensenada than have to take a bus to SD then. Hopefully there's options.

 

[NancyIL]

I'd rather just fly home from Ensenada than have to take a bus to SD then. Hopefully there's options.

The closest airport to Ensenada (according to Kayak.com) is Tijuana - 52 miles away. San Diego is 68 miles away, and that's why people are bussed there.

 

[luv2sleep]

The closest airport to Ensenada (according to Kayak.com) is Tijuana - 52 miles away. San Diego is 68 miles away, and that's why people are bussed there.

Ah, got it.

 

[MousseauMob]

I can't imagine them unloading in Ensenada and busing people over the border. There are still Alaska sailings in Sept, so Vancover is an option. Can people disembark in Ensenada and re'emabrk for a B2B repositioning cruise to San Diego or must the ship be passenger less from Ensenada to San Diego?

 

[NancyIL]

I can't imagine them unloading in Ensenada and busing people over the border. There are still Alaska sailings in Sept, so Vancover is an option. Can people disembark in Ensenada and re'emabrk for a B2B repositioning cruise to San Diego or must the ship be passenger less from Ensenada to San Diego?

The last Alaska cruise ends in Vancouver on Sept. 7. The ship could do two one-ways between Vancouver and Honolulu, and then a repo cruise from Vancouver to San Diego. Or, it could do Vancouver to Honolulu and Honolulu to Ensenada one-way cruises. However, the passengers who embark in Honolulu could not travel on the ship from Ensenada to San Diego. Also - passengers could not do a B2B from Honolulu to Vancouver and then Vancouver to San Diego.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

I can't imagine them unloading in Ensenada and busing people over the border. There are still Alaska sailings in Sept, so Vancover is an option. Can people disembark in Ensenada and re'emabrk for a B2B repositioning cruise to San Diego or must the ship be passenger less from Ensenada to San Diego?

No, as this would constitute a violation of the Passenger Vessel Services Act. A non-US flagged ship cannot transport passengers from one US port to a different US port without a stop in a distant foreign port. There are no distant foreign ports on a Hawaii/Ensenada or Ensenada/San Diego cruise.

And, while they are 2 separate cruises, booking them B2B makes them one cruise - Hawaii to San Diego - in the eyes of the PVSA.

 

[luv2sleep]

No, as this would constitute a violation of the Passenger Vessel Services Act. A non-US flagged ship cannot transport passengers from one US port to a different US port without a stop in a distant foreign port. There are no distant foreign ports on a Hawaii/Ensenada or Ensenada/San Diego cruise. And, while they are 2 separate cruises, booking them B2B makes them one cruise - Hawaii to San Diego - in the eyes of the PVSA.

So people will definitely not be able to do bank to backs on these one way Hawaii cruises period. I think some people were counting on doing that.

 

[PrincessShmoo]

So people will definitely not be able to do bank to backs on these one way Hawaii cruises period. I think some people were counting on doing that.

They could do a Van/Hawaii B2B with a Hawaii/Ensenada. While I believe a Van/Hawaii B2B Hawaii/San Diego would be OK, the cruiseline couldn't have a Hawaii/San Diego cruise, as they couldn't book anyone on that cruise alone.

 

[Poohbear 64]

AAACCCKK, My head is exploding from figuring out the "who" "what" "why" of the Jones Act rules. Why does it have to end in Ensenada?? Couldn't it just stop there and continue to San Diego?? I know, RULES.....UGH. Sorry, just had to vent!!

 

[PrincessShmoo]

AAACCCKK, My head is exploding from figuring out the "who" "what" "why" of the Jones Act rules. Why does it have to end in Ensenada?? Couldn't it just stop there and continue to San Diego?? I know, RULES.....UGH. Sorry, just had to vent!!

Firstly, it's the Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA) not the Jones Act. They basically say the same thing, but the Jones Act refers to cargo, while the PVSA refers to passengers.

The law says "no foreign-flagged ship can transport passengers from one US port to a different US port without a stop in a distant foreign port."

The interpretation has always been that a closed loop cruise must stop at any foreign port (near or distant).

A distant foreign port is described as any port not in "North America, Central America, the Bermuda Islands, or the West Indies (including the Bahama Islands, but not including the Leeward Islands of the Netherlands Antilles, i.e., Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao)"

It's the law. Originally enacted to protect US flagged ships from losing business to foreign flagged ships, because foreign-flagged ships can typically charge lower prices for transportation than US ones.

 

[MousseauMob]

I'm thinking they will do Vancouver to Hawaii, and then Hawaii to Vancouver in which case that B2B is good right? Then they will either go from Vancouver to PC or reposition Vancouver to So Cal and from there to PC.

I just can't imagine them wanting to try and fill a ship with people willing to be bused from Ensenada to San Diego. I know other cruiselines have done it in the past, but these days I think its a harder sell. But who knows, maybe.

 

[goofynut41]

Do you think they will release the details of the cruise before you can book it? I would like to have a little time to think about it and figure up if I can afford it.

 

[sweetlovin']

Do you think they will release the details of the cruise before you can book it? I would like to have a little time to think about it and figure up if I can afford it.

I haven't seen that. Usually we have a really decent idea listening to others find out the port schedule and piece it together. Usually it is 1 day notice for the official Disney announcement. They announce, TUesday, Wednesday Gold and Platinum can book their rooms then Silver and new cruisers can book on Thursday.

So I guess if you are a new cruiser or silver you have 2 days

 

[luv2sleep]

Do you think they will release the details of the cruise before you can book it? I would like to have a little time to think about it and figure up if I can afford it.

Decide on your max cruise price now. Not including airfare or excursions or extras. Have that in mind for when comes out.

If it's a RT Hawaii cruise out of LA they won't be new itineraries and I think everyone should be able to book at the same time.