Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[KLR-wlv]

Actually, you can still get 25 pt add-ons at AKV and SSR (and BWV, VWL, BCV, VB, and HHI if Disney has them). It is only BLT and GCV that have the 100 pt minimum add-on.

I thought AKV went up to 100 pt minimum as of Jan 15? I May be wrong on that...

 

[tjkraz]

Was there a typo in this statement? (see below)

Yup. Thanks!

 

[KLR-wlv]

I understand that.

What I was addressing is a different issue--the question of whether DVC has increased the WEEKLY cost of a single room at the expense of another.



Where do you see that?

Beach Cottage Adventure Season: 429 (2009), 433 (2010)
Ocean View Inn Dream Season: 118 (2009), 118 (2010)
Two Bedroom Magic Season: 327 (2009), 325 (2010)

(Just pulled those at random. Yes there are minor variances but that's just because there are 2 weekend nights and 5 weekday nights--you can't charge fractions of points so they had to round up or down.)



I suspect it was pretty easy to make guesses based upon aggregate information for the other resorts.



Probably. They have been open for about 1 1/2 years now (70-80 weeks) so that should be enough info to draw some conclusions.

20% increase Sunday thru Thursday. We all know the overall week has not changed drastically - I am talking about the weekday point changes for us freeloaders who travel those 5 days of the week...

 

[chalee94]

I need some clarification on VWL. I stay a week using my 270 point contract each year. Now I need 272? Will DVC sell me 2 points or do I need to borrow?

they will sell you a minimum of 25 pts. (or you could buy a 25 pt resale.)

if you can find a DVCer who lucked into needing 2 fewer pts under the 2010 charts, maybe they'll transfer them to you.

otherwise, you need to borrow them...

 

[chalee94]

I think it would make Disney look a LOT better if they relaxed the transfer rule for a few years to allow people to adjust their vacations or get transfers as needed. Those with extra points might be willing to do smaller transfers but not probably won't if they can only do one in a year.

this is a good point.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I had thought that Sun - Thurs points were less simply because the parks/WDW hotels have significantly less volume during the week, and this was good incentive to bring a loyal number of consumers into the parks on those days. I really don't see in this economy and with some of the 100pt addon minimums that DVCers will add points to get their same vacation. I think they will simply stay fewer days and that is bad for Disney. Anyone agree? Don't know how to set up a poll, but would be interesting to poll if people will..
1. stay fewer nights
2. add on points
3. stay somewhere else (ie Universal..)
4. try to transfer in the points to make up the difference
5. stay the same, makes no difference
6. stay more nights, it's a benefit b/c i'm a weekender

If it confirmed fewer nights, maybe Disney would pay attention...

I gave it a try.

 

[highlander]

Thanks for the response. Nothing I can do about the change, so I'll stick with being happy that I can enjoy Disney and VWL.

 

[MiaSRN62]

tkraz :We all CHOOSE our profession. We choose where to live. We choose to have kids or not have kids. We choose to vacation in summer months or holiday periods or pull the kids out of school.

I feel your pain--really I do. I have kids who are into sports, girl scouts, etc. I live 1100 miles away. I have a relatively small number of points.

True about my profession....which I chose 10 years prior to buying DVC and planned my vacation around my work requirements 8 years ago. I became an RN at the age of 25---before DVC even existed.

Honestly, if you and others want to use the term "choose", then I guess you are right on the following points:

NO, I don't "CHOOSE" to :
1)pull my kids out of school at the risk of fines, jail time, lost school work, missed sports, getting kicked off their sports teams ,etc
2) change my profession to make it easier to get DVC vacation time in which could result in getting fired from my job.
Nope....cannot in good conscience choose these options.

Those above two choices would be ENTIRELY disruptive to life and job security and DVC is in NO WAY worth that. Respectfully Tim, those options are not seen as a "choice" to me personally.

Why is noone saying all the people who complained about the weekend points made the CHOICE to pay higher amounts and stay the weekend. They are saying they have been "gouged" at the expense of those of us utilizing lower weekday points. Haven't they CHOSEN all these years to book weekend stays ? I mean what is fair for the goose is fair for the gander, no ?

This is all being put on those of us who are finding drastic changes to our DVC Membership. I mean I understand what you are saying Tim. It's just not as easy as it sounds that we are making these "choices" lightly. For me, it feels like mandation that we vacation in the summer. For some, taking weekend trips in slow season is MUCH easier than it is for others. But people here are assuming that everyone has the same set of circumstances.

I would MUCH prefer the slow seasons. MUCH. I'd save points and get an escape from the cold winter here in PA. And probably one day down the line there will be a period where we can. But I anticipate it going back to summer once the grandkids come too......there will be a period of time when my kids are out of school, and graduated from college, where we will be able to vacation in slow season.

I planned.....I thought it out....with a guide at our side......thought we did the best we could at the time 8 years ago.

 

[MiaSRN62]

Another thought.....

Someone suggested it might be easier for DVC in terms of housekeeping, to encourage week-long stays.

Well that won't happen with us. But what I could see us doing (I'm working the points in all sorts of combinations to maximize our days), is staying in 1 or 2 bedrooms on week nights.....then switching to studios for weekends. So they will still incur the extra cleaning for me and those like me that will be doing this. I know it won't be everyone, but DVC Membership is tens of thousands strong. I predict many will be working different combinations that will include switching size units during a stay. I wonder if due to lower weekend points and people like me who will switch rooms to a studio on weekend nights will affect the ability to secure studios during some time periods. Because we will have no problem switching rooms to save points---though it's not our preference during a vacation.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I would like to see if I can form a "class" from BLT owners that feel that the combination of changing the points charts < 4 months after initial sales began, raising the minimum add-on amount < a week after implementing the 2010 charts and limiting that raise to only BLT and the fact that the resort will only be open for < 4 months based on the charts we were all sold with is all just a little too much to be coincidental.

I think we may collectively have a class here, if for no other purpose than to have our minimum add-on changed back to 25 like all the other DVC resort owners have.

Please PM me if you're interested in forming a class. If there's enough interest, I will start contacting some friends of mine and see if we have a legal foot to stand on. I've got some close friends that are lawyers that will do it just to make their legal department miserable.

 

[Inkmahm]

Why is noone saying all the people who complained about the weekend points made the CHOICE to pay higher amounts and stay the weekend. They are saying they have been "gouged" at the expense of those of us utilizing lower weekday points. Haven't they CHOSEN all these years to book weekend stays ? I mean what is fair for the goose is fair for the gander, no ?

I DID say that I chose to vacation over the weekends and I bought points accordingly. That doesn't mean the points required didn't gouge those of us staying on the weekend, we just accepted it. Same as the reallocation will have to be accepted by the Sun-thurs crowd. IMHO, the points are more fair with the weekends not being double what week days cost.

 

[DebbieB]

they will sell you a minimum of 25 pts. (or you could buy a 25 pt resale.)

if you can find a DVCer who lucked into needing 2 fewer pts under the 2010 charts, maybe they'll transfer them to you.

otherwise, you need to borrow them...

I'd find a member to transfer 25 or 50 points to you. With banking, you could stretch that out several years to make up the difference. Bank the left over current year points each year.

 

[CheapMom]

I'd find a member to transfer 25 or 50 points to you. With banking, you could stretch that out several years to make up the difference. Bank the left over current year points each year.

This is a smart solution!

 

[tjkraz]

20% increase Sunday thru Thursday. We all know the overall week has not changed drastically - I am talking about the weekday point changes for us freeloaders who travel those 5 days of the week...

The overall weekly totals are exactly what I was addressing in my post.

I understand that 99% of the weekday rates went up. But some posts have suggested that weekly totals increased or decreased independent of the weekday/weekend rebalacing.

 

[toocherie]

I'd find a member to transfer 25 or 50 points to you. With banking, you could stretch that out several years to make up the difference. Bank the left over current year points each year.

Debbie: I was thinking the same thing. Get a bigger transfer and then rollover unused regular points to the next year each year until you "use up" the extra.

But I still think DVC should make an exception to the 100 point add on limit for those who recently bought.

 

[MiaSRN62]

That doesn't mean the points required didn't gouge those of us staying on the weekend, we just accepted it.

Just as I accepted that I was paying much more to stay in Magic season vs low season.....I could have saved 40 points x 8 years if we had stayed in Adventure season. That's 320 points I got "gouged" out of ? But I never saw it that way Inkmahm. I knew what the point structure was when we signed the contract and planned accordingly. If we felt we were going to be staying more weekends, we would have bought differently.

 

[princessfionasmom]

But what I could see us doing (I'm working the points in all sorts of combinations to maximize our days), is staying in 1 or 2 bedrooms on week nights.....then switching to studios for weekends.

Wow that's a great idea, I didn't even think of doing that (I know, I"m a little slow on the uptake). I wouldn't mind switching rooms for two nights and save the points. Good thinking!

 

[toocherie]

Wow that's a great idea, I didn't even think of doing that (I know, I"m a little slow on the uptake). I wouldn't mind switching rooms for two nights and save the points. Good thinking!

Except I would get the smaller room for the first two nights and then switch to the larger unit . . . . .

 

[tjkraz]

I planned.....I thought it out....with a guide at our side......thought we did the best we could at the time 8 years ago.

And I'm sure you did set everything up correctly 8 years ago. The problem is that the travel habits and membership makeup of DVC has evolved dramatically over those 8 years. That is why DVC has the reallocation provisions written into the contract.

You can't just keep pouring more and more Sun - Thus vacationers into those finite number of weekday slots. And I'm not just talking about new resorts--I'm talking about people who buy small add-ons from DVC or via resale at the older resorts with the intention of using points for a few weeknight stays.

DVC members have evolved a lot over the last decade and DVC itself must adapt, too.

 

[Starr W.]

The overall weekly totals are exactly what I was addressing in my post.

I understand that 99% of the weekday rates went up. But some posts have suggested that weekly totals increased or decreased independent of the weekday/weekend rebalacing.

Premier season 2br at VB went up 3pts. 447 to 450. That was the first I looked at because my VB cushion isn't as big as my SSR one.