Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[disneymamaof2]

And if one can without major disruption or consequence....more power to them. I think it's great that some can. Being sincere here. [/QUOTE]

I live in southwest PA and at my DD school after 3 unexcused days you are turned in and fined up to $300 and with a recurring offense face jail time. I think it depends on each school district, my neice and nephew go to a school about 30 miles from us and the rules there are different. Our school district is very particular about attendance.

 

[MiaSRN62]

You state you live in PA and that if you pulled your kids out of school you would go to jail. I stated I have family in PA that do it without problem.....

Oh no dd08......jail would be a chance we'd be taking down the road of course. And didn't want to get into it, but my sil faced this with my nephew a couple years back. So I know , first hand, they take it seriously here. Our school district definitely starts with warnings, then fines, then excessive absences would lead to jail time. I just didn't want to get into all the specifics. I don't even want to get to the point of meeting with truant officers for a meeting or warning. Saving DVC points is just not worth THAT to me. And PA is different depending on what area of PA you're in. Believe me......western PA can be light years away in rules and policies from southeastern PA where I live. I know my school's policies and I'm not making these things up. So it is wonderful that you know someone in one of the hundreds of school districts in the state that has no problem. I am truly glad for that. But it's not just truancy either. I already mentioned sports and activities that I simply have no "choice" in as far as taking off weekends during the school year. Sorry to keep harping on the word "choice"

I'm thinking, the way of vacationing taking frequent shorter weekend trips in slow season would add up with the amount of Fridays and Mondays missed at school. This would be both disruptive (and in some cases not allowed) with both the school and sport coaches. I shouldn't have to explain all the specifics or defend my reasons as to why I cannot travel in slow season. Just takes to long to explain all the details. Just please let it suffice, that between my work and kid's school and activities it is not doable. Being a hospital-based nurse, I am required to work holidays too (and weekends and be on-call during the month)....so again....many issues for me if u can please try and understand.

 

[La2kw]

This is the worst part of all of this imo - the fact that they raised the minimum add on points purchase just before issuing the new points charts. It really seems underhanded even if it wasn't meant to be. Flexibility is one of the hallmarks of this system and yet DVC is, in affect, funneling people into staying during the weekend. Personally this change has little affect on my plans, but I can see why those who don't normally stay during the weekends are upset.

It is underhanded. It is also very calculated, which is why I believe the intent is to boost sales. Just because DVC can do it, doesn't mean they should do it. The lack of respect towards the purchasers is what bothers me most.

 

[La2kw]

Uhhh....you know there was a full re-allocation in 1996 at OKW, right? Studios went from 69 pts a week in adv. season to 80. Also there was a re-allocation to create the booking classes at BWV. So they have excercised this right before, why would you think the DVC you purchased would not exercise those rights again?

This simply affects all resorts instead of one or two.

True, but those were not quite at the extent that this reallocation is. I will reword it to say that the DVC I puchased would have never handled it the way this was handled. At least that's the impression I got when I purchased.

 

[drakethib]

Maybe someone who is good at word smithing can draft up some kind of form letter that we could all enter our info (Name, member number) and email to jim lewis.

At this time there have been 26,000 views to this thread. I bet if they get 20,000 emails they would at least have to consider revisiting (well I would think they would anyway)

I think DVC just cost themselves some money as people wont be staying as long anymore.

If they wanted to "even out the playing field" I would have just as soon them make the weekend points the same as daily points, that way my family could take longer trips in lieu of a couple a times a year.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I only pull Mon-Tues of Thanksgiving week and the response from Jr. High to elementary is "Okay have a good time, we have a lot of students out those days and just remember to fill and return the "form".

Our county doesn't penalized absenses due to "family events"...we had a rare family disease that took at least one family member every year. Nobody ever questioned it......

 

[dd08]

Oh no dd08......jail would be a chance we'd be taking down the road of course. And didn't want to get into it, but my sil faced this with my nephew a couple years back. So I know , first hand, they take it seriously here. Our school district definitely starts with warnings, then fines, then excessive absences would lead to jail time. I just didn't want to get into all the specifics. I don't even want to get to the point of meeting with truant officers for a meeting or warning. Saving DVC points is just not worth THAT to me. And PA is different depending on what area of PA you're in. Believe me......western PA can be light years away in rules and policies from southeastern PA where I live. I know my school's policies and I'm not making these things up. So it is wonderful that you know someone in one of the hundreds of school districts in the state that has no problem. I am truly glad for that. But it's not just truancy either. I already mentioned sports and activities that I simply have no "choice" in as far as taking off weekends during the school year. Sorry to keep harping on the word "choice"

I'm thinking, the way of vacationing taking frequent shorter weekend trips in slow season would add up with the amount of Fridays and Mondays missed at school. This would be both disruptive (and in some cases not allowed) with both the school and sport coaches. I shouldn't have to explain all the specifics or defend my reasons as to why I cannot travel in slow season. Just takes to long to explain all the details. Just please let it suffice, that between my work and kid's school and activities it is not doable. Being a hospital-based nurse, I am required to work holidays too (and weekends and be on-call during the month)....so again....many issues for me if u can please try and understand.

Sorry, shouldn't have spoke, hopefully you saw some of my positive comments, I was just questioning. Because sometimes people "hear" somethign from a friend that just isn't correct. For example this thread....there is a TON of misinformation on the thread, I wasn't trying to judge, criticize anything, just trying to let you know that what your friend told you may (or may not have been) an exaggeration.......

BTW - family = Philly and Bucks county so can't get much more Southeastern than that. and again don't want to promote you pulling your kids from school, just was asking

 

[anna08]

well, only one poll responder said they would add on points so far....
about 44% say they will stay fewer nights or elsewhere. I don't think that's good for Disney's bottom line. They only reason they are doing this is that they are counting on lots of folks adding on. I just don't think that's realistic - look at the large volume of resales available. I don't think in this economy a lot of folks are going to add a minimum $2500 to their DVC investment. Who is making these stupid decisions for Disney?

 

[Chuck S]

True, but those were not quite at the extent that this reallocation is. I will reword it to say that the DVC I puchased would have never handled it the way this was handled. At least that's the impression I got when I purchased.

I agree, I think this was handled very poorly, as have been all the change announcements (glassware, etc.) the last few years.


But the re-allocation itself really isn't a surprise to me, given the number of posters just on the DIS that were Sun-Thur DVCers. I figured the open weekends for cash helped offset the costs for the trades to the non-DVC locations....maybe they simply had way too many rooms open on the weekends

Also there were several posts a year wanting the weekend points more in line with weekdays.

 

[dd08]

do you imagine she'd complain if DVC's market data told them that there was still an imbalance on the other side and they announced they'd have to make weekends even more expensive to keep things in balance? after she used the word "gouge" to describe the point costs that have been consistent for the prior 15 years and that she was aware of when she signed the contract, i'd find it difficult to believe that she'd just meekly "accept" it.

yes, if you sign a contract - all the while knowing that under the current rules you are going to be "gouged" - then it's your fault. (i can't believe that i even need to type that sentence.)

and yes, when point charts have remained unchanged for 15 years and DVC decides that the middle of a recession is a good time to make some alterations to people's travel plans, people have the right to complain. (especially on message boards - it's part of why al gore invented them shortly after he finished cobbling together the internet.) this is true even if they've been cruelly "taking advantage" of disney for bungling the charts in 1994 and not realizing they needed changing until now. i'd agree that they don't have any legal recourse - it's in the contract and legally binding that the charts can change even when they historically almost never do - but owners do still have the right to complain.

so she shouldn't use the term "gouge" but you can miscorrectly state that DVC "changed the rules?" OK.


Don't overstate my words, I didn't say SUn-THurs "Cruelly" took advantage. But they DID take advantage of the disproportionate system. Not saying it wasn't their right to do so, or that it was "cruel" just stating a fact. If there wasn't an advantage in staying Sun-thurs to be had, I don't think there would be such an uproar on a 54 page and counting thread.........

 

[ilovepooh]

A 2-BR at VWL

2009 Sun.-Thurs. 200 points

2010 Sun.-Thurs. 220 points!!!!!!!

Sun.-Thurs. 40 now 44 points
Fri.-Sat. 75 to 66 points

We are 20 points short! Even if I try to build in a weekend night....it doesn't work! This is not right! I don't care if it says it in the contract. Let's be realistic here! We were all told that the only time points were rearranged was to accomodate the holidays, etc. This is wrong on so many levels.
I will not add-on to make-up the difference and give them more money to do this to me again! I will not recommend DVC to others any more!

 

[ldo]

WE came very close to adding on at AKV before the $ went up, but decided since we had enough points for 2009, that we would just wait until we really "needed" the add-on. Now, I can't really justify adding on---the Sun-Thur. (our normal pattern) costs too many points for us--and staying less days (3-4) is just not worth it---for that, I might as well just stay at a moderate, if it is only for 3 days!

 

[BeccaG]

WilsonFlyer - we'll all get over it and move on. But that doesn't mean a few us can't vent a bit. For some of us, the increased points needed is a bit of a kick in the head. And it'll require a change in how we plan and vacation. I'd say that's worth at least a small vent.

DisFlan

Well said. Our family does not have a set vacation plan, so I am not sure how this will effect us, but I have been surprised at the "shut up and get over it" attitude many have expressed towards those who are upset. Why can't we let people vent a bit without lecturing them on what they should have done or what they can do? We are all adults, we will figure it out. . but sometimes you are just ticked off and want to voice it. A message board should be a fairly safe place to do that. . but maybe that was wishful thinking on my part. I think we should all share our opinions without berating the "winners" and "loosers" in this scenario. . .

 

[Marshay]

For anyone who received the new DVC Dream book, are the 2010 point charts the Old or New Version?

Obviously, the books had to be published a while ago ... just curious since the New point charts just went up today...

 

[BeccaG]

1)pull my kids out of school at the risk of fines, jail time, lost school work, missed sports, getting kicked off their sports teams ,etc

I would not want to live where you do if i want to pull my kids out of school
i do not want fined or face jail time. I did not know that could happen if you took them out for a few days.

Yup. . , in most states it is illegal to pull your kids out of school, its just not enforced. . .do it enough and they will however. .its called a compulsory attendance law. Of course as a school teacher who is trying to make sure No Child gets Left Behind, I am some opinions on the taking kids out of school bit, but I digress. . .

 

[keishashadow]

It definitely can. It depends on the policies of the local school boards. As far as I know, every public school in Texas has a set number of unexcused absences allowed before the court system kicks in. Penalties for unexcused absences (not excess ones, just normal ones) vary widely. In my kids' school (they've both been out for over 10 years), they would get a zero on any work they missed and were not allowed to make it up. This included tests. In most cases (again talking only about Texas public schools), family vacations are unexcused. We strictly vacationed in the summer or during school holidays.

u r correct

Shame to see members nit-picking each other, when the issue is DVC making a major change very last minute

Like Mia, i live in PA & know that policies vary widely from one district to the next. While all our state's districts follow the minimum requirements set by the state, each can further institute a more stringent set of rules

This year's handbook for my DSs HS contains a section addressing absenteesim (both excused & unexcused) & is pages long. There is a formal application wherein proper form is submitted prior to vacation with the details of "educational benefits" clearly spelled out. Once approved by the principal, all teachers must sign off & indicate what work will need to be completed. Then the student & parent must resign & submit; basically becoming a contract.

BTW, only 5 days per school year r suggested for family vacations, absolutely none will be approved during Aug, Sept, May or June

At least my school district's rules r clearly set forth and we know (at most) they'll only be modified once a year before the 1st term begins; unlike DVC which has been tweaking things in what i feel is in a rather capricious fashion lately

 

[jamstew]

well, only one poll responder said they would add on points so far....

That would be me I did say that the only reason I'd add on is that I was already considering it. I still may not; I have to run some numbers.

 

[Megsmachine]

Oh no dd08......jail would be a chance we'd be taking down the road of course. And didn't want to get into it, but my sil faced this with my nephew a couple years back. So I know , first hand, they take it seriously here. Our school district definitely starts with warnings, then fines, then excessive absences would lead to jail time. I just didn't want to get into all the specifics. I don't even want to get to the point of meeting with truant officers for a meeting or warning. Saving DVC points is just not worth THAT to me. And PA is different depending on what area of PA you're in. Believe me......western PA can be light years away in rules and policies from southeastern PA where I live. I know my school's policies and I'm not making these things up. So it is wonderful that you know someone in one of the hundreds of school districts in the state that has no problem. I am truly glad for that. But it's not just truancy either. I already mentioned sports and activities that I simply have no "choice" in as far as taking off weekends during the school year. Sorry to keep harping on the word "choice"

I'm thinking, the way of vacationing taking frequent shorter weekend trips in slow season would add up with the amount of Fridays and Mondays missed at school. This would be both disruptive (and in some cases not allowed) with both the school and sport coaches. I shouldn't have to explain all the specifics or defend my reasons as to why I cannot travel in slow season. Just takes to long to explain all the details. Just please let it suffice, that between my work and kid's school and activities it is not doable. Being a hospital-based nurse, I am required to work holidays too (and weekends and be on-call during the month)....so again....many issues for me if u can please try and understand.

Homeschool, then you can go whenever you want.

 

[hellerjw]

Well said. Our family does not have a set vacation plan, so I am not sure how this will effect us, but I have been surprised at the "shut up and get over it" attitude many have expressed towards those who are upset. Why can't we let people vent a bit without lecturing them on what they should have done or what they can do? We are all adults, we will figure it out. . but sometimes you are just ticked off and want to voice it. A message board should be a fairly safe place to do that. . but maybe that was wishful thinking on my part. I think we should all share our opinions without berating the "winners" and "loosers" in this scenario. . .

I completely agree. Being ridiculed or berated for simply expressing your opinion (and that is all these 55+ pages really are for the most part - people's opinions) is one step away from censorship. It would be a really dull world if everyone agreed on everything. I say vent away, it's what makes these boards so interesting!

 

[Mattsmommy]

The weird part is ONE week in February at VB got bumped from Magic to Premier and ONE week in April bumped down from Premier to Magic...anyone know why February 21 to 28 is so special in 2010? A local event in Vero, maybe?

That's President's week. Many kids have the whole week off.