Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[JBird77]

Here's what I did for a test...We had a 5/12-5/18 reservation at the campground. Yesterday I shortened it to 5/14-5/18 to see what would happen. Granted, I made these FP+s with that weird early window that some of us are able to access..but my husband just got the warning in his email. The "If action is not taken to restore your eligibility, these FP+ selections are subject to cancellation on 3/2/2019." I will report back if/when they actually get cancelled.

 

[Runnsally]

Here's what I did for a test...We had a 5/12-5/18 reservation at the campground. Yesterday I shortened it to 5/14-5/18 to see what would happen. Granted, I made these FP+s with that weird early window that some of us are able to access..but my husband just got the warning in his email. The "If action is not taken to restore your eligibility, these FP+ selections are subject to cancellation on 3/2/2019." I will report back if/when they actually get cancelled.

My read of the tea leaves...we will actually start to see FPs outside of 30d cancelled if there is not an onsite reservation to support them. However, once inside of thirty days, at least this iteration of MDE will not care if there is a corresponding resort reservation regardless of the original FP booking window. This will effectively accomplish nothing.

 

[anomamatt]

My read of the tea leaves...we will actually start to see FPs outside of 30d cancelled if there is not an onsite reservation to support them. However, once inside of thirty days, at least this iteration of MDE will not care if there is a corresponding resort reservation regardless of the original FP booking window. This will effectively accomplish nothing.

This is also what I think will happen for the time being. Correcting the loophole inside 30 days will take some sorcery on Mickey's part. it could be done, but unclear if MDE would be cooperative enough.

 

[Sonia Lamp]

I'm still wondering about how the changes will affect split stays. I know earlier in the week there were several accounts of split stays opening up as separate windows for FP booking purposes, so I emailed Guest Services to express my disapproval (I have a 3-way split coming up in August). The first response was rather vague and generic, but after going back and forth a few times and asking for clarification, the Guest Experiences Services agent told me specifically that the window for my entire stay should open at 60 days before the check in date of my first reservation. She even gave me her direct # and told me that if I have any issues, I should contact her directly and she will make sure I can book all of my fastpasses at one time. Given that MDE was acting weird and allowing people to book fastpasses earlier than expected and there seem to be some changes that are just being implemented today, I'm wondering if the updates to the system just hadn't been finalized yet earlier in the week when people reported the issues with booking FP for split stays? Or perhaps there have been a lot of complaints and they are now fixing it to allow split stays to be considered as a continuous reservation? Does anyone have any feedback on what is happening with booking FP for split stays as of today?

 

[otten]

I'm still wondering about how the changes will affect split stays. I know earlier in the week there were several accounts of split stays opening up as separate windows for FP booking purposes, so I emailed Guest Services to express my disapproval (I have a 3-way split coming up in August). The first response was rather vague and generic, but after going back and forth a few times and asking for clarification, the Guest Experiences Services agent told me specifically that the window for my entire stay should open at 60 days before the check in date of my first reservation. She even gave me her direct # and told me that if I have any issues, I should contact her directly and she will make sure I can book all of my fastpasses at one time. Given that MDE was acting weird and allowing people to book fastpasses earlier than expected and there seem to be some changes that are just being implemented today, I'm wondering if the updates to the system just hadn't been finalized yet earlier in the week when people reported the issues with booking FP for split stays? Or perhaps there have been a lot of complaints and they are now fixing it to allow split stays to be considered as a continuous reservation? Does anyone have any feedback on what is happening with booking FP for split stays as of today?

I had to wait until today to book the second stay. However I could book for my third stay today. Hard to know if that's because of the the glitch that is opening windows early or because they resolved the split stay issue but to be honest I doubt it's the latter.

I would take anything to hear from a CM on this subject with a huge grain of salt right now. People are getting a ton of conflicting responses on the subject. By the time you can book fastpasses hopefully it's at least clear how it's working.

 

[DavidNYC]

My read of the tea leaves...we will actually start to see FPs outside of 30d cancelled if there is not an onsite reservation to support them. However, once inside of thirty days, at least this iteration of MDE will not care if there is a corresponding resort reservation regardless of the original FP booking window. This will effectively accomplish nothing.

If the cancel FP for days that you cancel a reservation it won't accomplish "nothing". Right now you can use a loophole to get early FP for nothing by booking, getting FP, and cancelling. There will still be loopholes if you're willing to use a throwaway room but I'd guess that far more people fully cancel a reservation after getting FP than use a throwaway room. We'll see when people that book now try to cancel within 30 days.

 

[Runnsally]

If the cancel FP for days that you cancel a reservation it won't accomplish "nothing". Right now you can use a loophole to get early FP for nothing by booking, getting FP, and cancelling. There will still be loopholes if you're willing to use a throwaway room but I'd guess that far more people fully cancel a reservation after getting FP than use a throwaway room. We'll see when people that book now try to cancel within 30 days.

I think we’re on the same page. My assumption is that FPs inside of 30d will remain untouched. Thus, nothing accomplished.

 

[PrincessWithABlaster]

I think we’re on the same page. My assumption is that FPs inside of 30d will remain untouched. Thus, nothing accomplished.

Except to make their occupancy issue even worse because people who might have cancelled earlier are now going to cancel later in the game.

 

[DavidNYC]

Except to make their occupancy issue even worse because people who might have cancelled earlier are now going to cancel later in the game.

I’m still sticking with the theory that cancelled rooms will cause cancelled FP when they finally get this working. Otherwise there was no reason for any change and as you said makes the loophole worse for them. The new loophole will be overlapping reservations which will still be a problem - but using the loophole requires 2 reservations - one of which you cannot cancel - and thus likely to be used far less.

 

[Amcd33]

So am I reading this right?

I have a 7 day tickets. The first five days are at a Disney resort. We then go on a four day DCL cruise and then come back to stay one more night at the Dolphin and use the last two days. Part of the perk of going to the park for a few days on the tail end was to get the more elusive FPs because it would be like 60 plus 10. Would these changes make it to where I would have to deal with another early morning of grabbing Fastpasses, and I would have to start over at 60 day FPs?

 

[Tiggerlover91]

So am I reading this right?

I have a 7 day tickets. The first five days are at a Disney resort. We then go on a four day DCL cruise and then come back to stay one more night at the Dolphin and use the last two days. Part of the perk of going to the park for a few days on the tail end was to get the more elusive FPs because it would be like 60 plus 10. Would these changes make it to where I would have to deal with another early morning of grabbing Fastpasses, and I would have to start over at 60 day FPs?

Yes you have to start over. You'll have 2 60 day windows. And from what I understand reading this thread, your second stay will be a bit harder for FPs as you'll only be 60 and 60+1.

 

[iujen94]

So am I reading this right?

I have a 7 day tickets. The first five days are at a Disney resort. We then go on a four day DCL cruise and then come back to stay one more night at the Dolphin and use the last two days. Part of the perk of going to the park for a few days on the tail end was to get the more elusive FPs because it would be like 60 plus 10. Would these changes make it to where I would have to deal with another early morning of grabbing Fastpasses, and I would have to start over at 60 day FPs?

That would have been the case even before the recent changes. In order for a split stay to be treated as one continuous visit for FP purposes (under the old rules), your check-out day from resort #1 had to be your check-in day at resort #2. Since you’ll have a gap between your stays, you wouldn’t have had a “split stay”.

 

[Amcd33]

That would have been the case even before the recent changes. In order for a split stay to be treated as one continuous visit for FP purposes (under the old rules), your check-out day from resort #1 had to be your check-in day at resort #2. Since you’ll have a gap between your stays, you wouldn’t have had a “split stay”.[/QUOTE

So if I stayed offsite pre-changes, than I could have the extended FPs days but not if I actually gave them my money and stayed onsite? Oh Disney. ‍ If I feel like if cancel the dolphin and just go the parks the day we get off the cruise, Disney should not make me start over at 60 days, especially when I’ve still technically been on Disney property with DCL. This makes me want to just toss out Disney post cruise and stay again at a Universal hotel one night and get a one day park ticket with express pass. . It sounds a lot less complicated.

 

[DisBuckMan]

That would have been the case even before the recent changes. In order for a split stay to be treated as one continuous visit for FP purposes (under the old rules), your check-out day from resort #1 had to be your check-in day at resort #2. Since you’ll have a gap between your stays, you wouldn’t have had a “split stay”.

Yep...never worked like the poster was attempting to do.

 

[otten]

So if I stayed offsite pre-changes, than I could have the extended FPs days but not if I actually gave them my money and stayed onsite? Oh Disney. ‍ If I feel like if cancel the dolphin and just go the parks the day we get off the cruise, Disney should not make me start over at 60 days, especially when I’ve still technically been on Disney property with DCL. This makes me want to just toss out Disney post cruise and stay again at a Universal hotel one night and get a one day park ticket with express pass. . It sounds a lot less complicated.

If you had stayed off site pre changes you would have had a rolling 60 day window. You would have been able to book fastpasses at 60 days each day of your offsite stay. You would NOT have been able to book FP at 60+2 etc.

 

[Lesley Wake]

So am I reading this right?

I have a 7 day tickets. The first five days are at a Disney resort. We then go on a four day DCL cruise and then come back to stay one more night at the Dolphin and use the last two days. Part of the perk of going to the park for a few days on the tail end was to get the more elusive FPs because it would be like 60 plus 10. Would these changes make it to where I would have to deal with another early morning of grabbing Fastpasses, and I would have to start over at 60 day FPs?

Also, did you check the dates for your tickets? If you got them prior to dated tickets, then you are fine (just need to use the last one within 14 days (I think) of the first one). But if you got dated tickets then the window to use them is much shorter and may not extend over the cruise. You can pay more to get that window longer, but you should double check!

 

[cel_disney]

Also, did you check the dates for your tickets? If you got them prior to dated tickets, then you are fine (just need to use the last one within 14 days (I think) of the first one). But if you got dated tickets then the window to use them is much shorter and may not extend over the cruise. You can pay more to get that window longer, but you should double check!

Not sure if the PP did this - but I thought Disney Cruise Line is supposed to have special tickets that would allow the longer duration?

 

[Amcd33]

These are group rate tickets from a magical deal and were bought a few months before the specific day requirements, so we are good on that! I’m so glad we booked when we did. I didn’t know there was even an option to extend the length of dates though, so that’s something to remember for our next trip. I like the parks, and the rest of the family likes cruising, so a few days of both is the family compromise.


unl

Also, did you check the dates for your tickets? If you got them prior to dated tickets, then you are fine (just need to use the last one within 14 days (I think) of the first one). But if you got dated tickets then the window to use them is much shorter and may not extend over the cruise. You can pay more to get that window longer, but you should double check!

 

[Runnsally]

I’m still sticking with the theory that cancelled rooms will cause cancelled FP when they finally get this working. Otherwise there was no reason for any change and as you said makes the loophole worse for them. The new loophole will be overlapping reservations which will still be a problem - but using the loophole requires 2 reservations - one of which you cannot cancel - and thus likely to be used far less.

The overlapping loophole is not new...has always been that way for ADRs. Agree that the loophole for guests who actually plan on staying offsite will be eventually closed.

 

[Lesley Wake]

These are group rate tickets from a magical deal and were bought a few months before the specific day requirements, so we are good on that! I’m so glad we booked when we did. I didn’t know there was even an option to extend the length of dates though, so that’s something to remember for our next trip. I like the parks, and the rest of the family likes cruising, so a few days of both is the family compromise.


unl

Ok, cool! Just wanted to make sure you didn't get a nasty surprise! I did the same thing with my mom. Got her 6-day tickets, used 4 pre-cruise, did a 4-night cruise, and 2 more park days.