Disney to cancel FPs if room is cancelled

[gwynne]

I agree. It also seems weird that Disney is not giving everyone the same warnings (some are being told their FP’s are being cancelled, others are not being given a warning.)

It also seems they would want to add new language to the booking page so people are aware before booking what the terms are. Why is Disney so bad at this?

I think Disney likes to leave itself vast leeway as it implements modifications and changes. Quietly make changes, adjust, repeat...the key is to say very little.
It probably keeps the corporate folks happy, but it can be quite unpleasant for guests.

 

[SouthFayetteFan]

My question for all this is, will anybody here admit to using these loopholes when and if they take effect and cause a loss of FP's.
Other than those doing so as a test.

Is it confessional time now? Who gets to be the priest Are they sealed confessions? I’d like to confess that I have booked split stays in the past and enjoyed it - and now I’m sad by this new policy/issue.

I also think that’s why we haven’t heard about any cancellations or lack thereof yet. No one wants to admit it still works. If my AP was still valid I would totally have tested it by now, but alas I have no ticket media.

If any FPs were being cancelled I’m pretty sure the numerous test scenarios people have going on would have caught it. Don’t you think people would share if FPs have been cancelled to protect others.

 

[Boski]

Anybody think this will be discussed on today's DIS show?

Nope, I don't think it will come up.

 

[anomamatt]

Not even the same red text warnings that the split stay/overlapping tester got? (Sorry I forgot who that was!) Or you just mean no separate email warnings?

You get the warnings on the website, yes. Those have been there several years now. I meant I didn't get warnings via email like the original rumor suggested (and then a 2-day period to fix).

 

[Boski]

When they announced they were closing some of the older "loopholes" didn't it take a while for Disney IT to catch up and implement the changes.

 

[JaxDad]

When they announced they were closing some of the older "loopholes" didn't it take a while for Disney IT to catch up and implement the changes.

Yeah, but I heard they recently replaced the vacuum tubes in their mainframe, so things should move faster now.

 

[chaoskids]

Back to our testers:

Has anyone booked a split stay, booked FP then canceled just a portion of the split? (For cash, no DVC stays)

I think since now FP+ can only booked for each section of a split stay at 60 days with two separate booking windows the fastpass would stay because they would be booked during the correct timeframe.

Someone (rteetz) is this right?

 

[Gentry2004]

So it unfortunately does not sound like FP+ availability will improve much if all these test FP’s remain.

 

[jade1]

So it unfortunately does not sound like FP+ availability will improve much if all these test FP’s remain.

Have any changes they've made helped?

 

[anomamatt]

So it unfortunately does not sound like FP+ availability will improve much if all these test FP’s remain.

At best, you are talking about a tiny fraction of overall guests that use loopholes. Even the "big" ones like SDFP had no noticeable impact when WDW prevented its use.

The net result is that 'legitimate' uses (like split stays) will become more difficult and problematic, while no positive changes are observed. (aka, business as usual for Disney/MDE)

 

[SouthFayetteFan]

Have any changes they've made helped?

If by helped you actually mean hurt then yes...

Basically no, none of these changes have really achieved anything other than hurting those with legitimate split stays.

 

[Boski]

Yeah, but I heard they recently replaced the vacuum tubes in their mainframe, so things should move faster now.

You know a billion dollars doesn't get you as much as it use to...

 

[jade1]

If by helped you actually mean hurt then yes...

Basically no, none of these changes have really achieved anything other than hurting those with legitimate split stays.

Agreed, I had really hoped the "must be in the park" and not able to use other bands etc would have helped a lot. Didn't at all that I ever heard.

 

[SouthFayetteFan]

Agreed, I had really hoped the "must be in the park" and not able to use other bands etc would have helped a lot. Didn't at all that I ever heard.

That's a pretty accurate statement I'd say. In my opinion:

Unfortunately, while there is a lot of consternation among the DISboards population about "loopholes", those of us frequenting these boards are already in the 1% when it comes to Disney touring knowledge. And of us probably a VERY small % is actually utilizing said "loophole" (pick your poison). So while it may be "sexy" to be all anti-loophole on the DISboards and proclaim how it's ruining our happy place...closing these loopholes doesn't achieve the desired result. There aren't enough people using them to make a difference. You can be pro-loophole or anti-loophole but to presume that fixing these loopholes will suddenly free up thousands of FPs a day for the major attractions is likely a misguided assumption.

The only thing that would cause thousands of FPs to come available would be a capacity increase. If Disney tripled FOPs capacity or better yet, built three more attractions that were just as popular as FOP...that would make a difference.

 

[jade1]

That's a pretty accurate statement I'd say. In my opinion:

Unfortunately, while there is a lot of consternation among the DISboards population about "loopholes", those of us frequenting these boards are already in the 1% when it comes to Disney touring knowledge. And of us probably a VERY small % is actually utilizing said "loophole" (pick your poison). So while it may be "sexy" to be all anti-loophole on the DISboards and proclaim how it's ruining our happy place...closing these loopholes doesn't achieve the desired result. There aren't enough people using them to make a difference. You can be pro-loophole or anti-loophole but to presume that fixing these loopholes will suddenly free up thousands of FPs a day for the major attractions is likely a misguided assumption.

The only thing that would cause thousands of FPs to come available would be a capacity increase. If Disney tripled FOPs capacity or better yet, built three more attractions that were just as popular as FOP...that would make a difference.

Yea that seems to be the case.

Raising prices even further (and selling FP) would free them up (reduce demand and crowds) I suppose.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

I don’t think Disney cares at all about FP. If they did, stop letting good neighbor hotels have them. This is about rooms being canceled last minute that are now empty.

 

[Gentry2004]

I don’t think Disney cares at all about FP. If they did, stop letting good neighbor hotels have them. This is about rooms being canceled last minute that are now empty.

Except they didn’t fix that.

 

[Boski]

That's a pretty accurate statement I'd say. In my opinion:

Unfortunately, while there is a lot of consternation among the DISboards population about "loopholes", those of us frequenting these boards are already in the 1% when it comes to Disney touring knowledge. And of us probably a VERY small % is actually utilizing said "loophole" (pick your poison). So while it may be "sexy" to be all anti-loophole on the DISboards and proclaim how it's ruining our happy place...closing these loopholes doesn't achieve the desired result. There aren't enough people using them to make a difference. You can be pro-loophole or anti-loophole but to presume that fixing these loopholes will suddenly free up thousands of FPs a day for the major attractions is likely a misguided assumption.

The only thing that would cause thousands of FPs to come available would be a capacity increase. If Disney tripled FOPs capacity or better yet, built three more attractions that were just as popular as FOP...that would make a difference.

Ignoring your sexy comment, thank you by the way, neither you nor I have any data to back up if closing these loop holes have any large effect on FP availability. Only Disney has that information and they don't share.

The only thing that can be said is that Disney thought it was a big enough problem to warrant attention.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

Except they didn’t fix that.

If leading reservations are no longer useful, who is going to do it?

 

[MommaBerd]

I don’t think Disney cares at all about FP. If they did, stop letting good neighbor hotels have them. This is about rooms being canceled last minute that are now empty.

Yes, I am convinced this is the case. Though we might think, “Why would Disney care? They are getting their money.” But in reality, they are losing out on all the other dollars that come with an occupied hotel room.

That being said, there must be a better way of allowing split stay people to book FPs across reservations.

I also think that somehow somewhere along the way having date-specific tickets can help with this. Yes, there will be some who choose and pay for flexible tickets who *may* exploit loopholes. And then you have your AP holders. But as time goes by, shouldn’t the number of people with “open date” tickets significantly decrease? But maybe I’m off base. Either way, it doesn’t really help with the present situation.